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Re: Buyer Beware! KO Masterpiece 12 Lambor/Sideswipe!

Postby SKYWARPED_128 » Mon Jul 15, 2013 5:59 pm

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SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Maybe the Tigertracks figs aren't selling nearly as well as they thought, and TT decided to re-purpose them as Lambor re-releases?


No, no and no. That's the same type of thinking behind "repackaged" figures actually being repackaged unsold figures, while they're actually reissues in different packaging.


Thing is, someone earlier mentioned that there's yellow paint or plastic underneath the red paint. Lambor is made of black and red plastic with red paint over some of the black areas--there's absolutely no yellow plastic on Lambor.
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Re: Buyer Beware! KO Masterpiece 12 Lambor/Sideswipe!

Postby DreadstarCybph » Tue Jul 16, 2013 4:51 am

Skywarped_128 - I don't think tigertrack was not selling well. More likely the tiger track run was over produced for the limited no. of pcs. required by TakaraTomy. Let's say - Takara ordered 2,000 pcs and the factory actually produced 3,000 pcs under the noses of the Takara reps at the plant. They present Takara the 2000 pcs, takara reps retrieve the moulding plates, returns to HQ to store them in their vaults. Factory boss barks "okay boys and girls, repaint them yellows as reds" Items gets re painted and shipped to a dummy company that sells the stuff.

And also, the china release mp 12 is no special run. Most likely , it was percentage set aside from the initial run . Why the late release I don't know (could be a trade dispute or the senkaku island dispute) and why there is no report on the well known fan site, I dunno either.

Like I said before - meaning of words usually gets loss in translation especially if you''re not a local to that language of that area and, if you are using an online translator.
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Re: Buyer Beware! KO Masterpiece 12 Lambor/Sideswipe!

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Tue Jul 16, 2013 5:47 am

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DreadstarCybph wrote:Skywarped_128 - I don't think tigertrack was not selling well. More likely the tiger track run was over produced for the limited no. of pcs. required by TakaraTomy. Let's say - Takara ordered 2,000 pcs and the factory actually produced 3,000 pcs under the noses of the Takara reps at the plant. They present Takara the 2000 pcs, takara reps retrieve the moulding plates, returns to HQ to store them in their vaults. Factory boss barks "okay boys and girls, repaint them yellows as reds" Items gets re painted and shipped to a dummy company that sells the stuff.


If that really is the case, TakaraTomy could arguably sue the factory for breach of contract through overproduction and not destroying the excess.
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Re: Buyer Beware! KO Masterpiece 12 Lambor/Sideswipe!

Postby njb902 » Tue Jul 16, 2013 7:11 am

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
DreadstarCybph wrote:Skywarped_128 - I don't think tigertrack was not selling well. More likely the tiger track run was over produced for the limited no. of pcs. required by TakaraTomy. Let's say - Takara ordered 2,000 pcs and the factory actually produced 3,000 pcs under the noses of the Takara reps at the plant. They present Takara the 2000 pcs, takara reps retrieve the moulding plates, returns to HQ to store them in their vaults. Factory boss barks "okay boys and girls, repaint them yellows as reds" Items gets re painted and shipped to a dummy company that sells the stuff.


If that really is the case, TakaraTomy could arguably sue the factory for breach of contract through overproduction and not destroying the excess.


You really think a Chinese court would help a Japanese company?
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Re: Buyer Beware! KO Masterpiece 12 Lambor/Sideswipe!

Postby Arctorro » Tue Jul 16, 2013 7:23 am

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
DreadstarCybph wrote:Skywarped_128 - I don't think tigertrack was not selling well. More likely the tiger track run was over produced for the limited no. of pcs. required by TakaraTomy. Let's say - Takara ordered 2,000 pcs and the factory actually produced 3,000 pcs under the noses of the Takara reps at the plant. They present Takara the 2000 pcs, takara reps retrieve the moulding plates, returns to HQ to store them in their vaults. Factory boss barks "okay boys and girls, repaint them yellows as reds" Items gets re painted and shipped to a dummy company that sells the stuff.


If that really is the case, TakaraTomy could arguably sue the factory for breach of contract through overproduction and not destroying the excess.


You really think a Chinese court would help a Japanese company?
Have you seen the cars Chinese companies are producing these days? They are blatant ripoffs of Japanese and European cars and there is nothing that can be done about it because the government is backing the companies :BANG_HEAD:

If these are illegal overproduction releases then there is nothing Takara can do about it :-(
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Re: Buyer Beware! KO Masterpiece 12 Lambor/Sideswipe!

Postby DreadstarCybph » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:01 am

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
If that really is the case, TakaraTomy could arguably sue the factory for breach of contract through overproduction and not destroying the excess.


They can't sue the factory cause Takara TOMY first have to find this dummy company , which more or less will fold up once the stocks are sold out.The factory owner will just say he's innocent, it was ko'ed by somebody else and give them a blank stare.

And the thing about chinese ripping off car designs and other stuffs is all true. Heck, they don't fear nobody. Wasn't it recently their government managed to hack and steal US military aircraft designs? Bandai China also sued TT Homgli for ripping off their gundam model kits. What did TT Hongli do? Just renamed their company. >_<
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Re: Buyer Beware! KO Masterpiece 12 Lambor/Sideswipe!

Postby SKYWARPED_128 » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:19 am

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DreadstarCybph wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
If that really is the case, TakaraTomy could arguably sue the factory for breach of contract through overproduction and not destroying the excess.


They can't sue the factory cause Takara TOMY first have to find this dummy company , which more or less will fold up once the stocks are sold out.The factory owner will just say he's innocent, it was ko'ed by somebody else and give them a blank stare.

And the thing about chinese ripping off car designs and other stuffs is all true. Heck, they don't fear nobody. Wasn't it recently their government managed to hack and steal US military aircraft designs? Bandai China also sued TT Homgli for ripping off their gundam model kits. What did TT Hongli do? Just renamed their company. >_<


Pretty much. China's basically a black hole when it comes to intellectual property, and it's no secret that the Chinese government takes care of its own.

DreadstarCybph wrote:Skywarped_128 - I don't think tigertrack was not selling well. More likely the tiger track run was over produced for the limited no. of pcs. required by TakaraTomy. Let's say - Takara ordered 2,000 pcs and the factory actually produced 3,000 pcs under the noses of the Takara reps at the plant. They present Takara the 2000 pcs, takara reps retrieve the moulding plates, returns to HQ to store them in their vaults. Factory boss barks "okay boys and girls, repaint them yellows as reds" Items gets re painted and shipped to a dummy company that sells the stuff.

And also, the china release mp 12 is no special run. Most likely , it was percentage set aside from the initial run . Why the late release I don't know (could be a trade dispute or the senkaku island dispute) and why there is no report on the well known fan site, I dunno either.

Like I said before - meaning of words usually gets loss in translation especially if you''re not a local to that language of that area and, if you are using an online translator.


I'm no expert on Chinese factories, but schemes like these are not unheard of. I wouldn't be surprised if that was indeed what took place.
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Re: Buyer Beware! KO Masterpiece 12 Lambor/Sideswipe!

Postby Stormrider » Sun Jul 21, 2013 2:54 pm

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Takara really should pack up and move productions to Vietnam or Thailand as they claimed they would do 2 years ago. I wouldn't mind paying $5 more a figure if it meant better quality figures and avoiding these crappy KO games.
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Re: Buyer Beware! KO Masterpiece 12 Lambor/Sideswipe!

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Mon Jul 22, 2013 5:42 am

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Stormrider wrote:Takara really should pack up and move productions to Vietnam or Thailand as they claimed they would do 2 years ago. I wouldn't mind paying $5 more a figure if it meant better quality figures and avoiding these crappy KO games.


For some lines they actually have. Production seems to be split now.
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Re: Buyer Beware! KO Masterpiece 12 Lambor/Sideswipe!

Postby Stormrider » Mon Jul 22, 2013 7:10 pm

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Stormrider wrote:Takara really should pack up and move productions to Vietnam or Thailand as they claimed they would do 2 years ago. I wouldn't mind paying $5 more a figure if it meant better quality figures and avoiding these crappy KO games.


For some lines they actually have. Production seems to be split now.


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Re: Buyer Beware! KO Masterpiece 12 Lambor/Sideswipe!

Postby ZenPrime » Tue Mar 25, 2014 2:24 pm

Sorry to drag this thread back from the depths... Recently BBTS just restocked MP-12 Sideswipe stating it's a second run of the figure and that all the QC issue have been resolved with this second run. How come the Japanese online retailers have not listed any stock for the second run of this figure? Is there any chance that BBTS' "second run" stock are KO figures? I mean it happened with Encore Metroplex....
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Re: Buyer Beware! KO Masterpiece 12 Lambor/Sideswipe!

Postby Cyberpath » Tue Mar 25, 2014 2:45 pm

ZenPrime wrote:Sorry to drag this thread back from the depths... Recently BBTS just restocked MP-12 Sideswipe stating it's a second run of the figure and that all the QC issue have been resolved with this second run. How come the Japanese online retailers have not listed any stock for the second run of this figure? Is there any chance that BBTS' "second run" stock are KO figures? I mean it happened with Encore Metroplex....

I have been wondering the same thing. So last month I asked one of the Japanese online stores, and here's their reply:

Thank you for writing.

We too are aware of the reissue of MP-12, but we have not been officially informed by TakaraTomy, so we cannot start accepting order for it.

We will start accepting pre-order for it as soon as we receive the news from the manufacturer.
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Re: Buyer Beware! KO Masterpiece 12 Lambor/Sideswipe!

Postby ZenPrime » Tue Mar 25, 2014 2:49 pm

Cyberpath wrote:
ZenPrime wrote:Sorry to drag this thread back from the depths... Recently BBTS just restocked MP-12 Sideswipe stating it's a second run of the figure and that all the QC issue have been resolved with this second run. How come the Japanese online retailers have not listed any stock for the second run of this figure? Is there any chance that BBTS' "second run" stock are KO figures? I mean it happened with Encore Metroplex....

I have been wondering the same thing. So last month I asked one of the Japanese online stores, and here's their reply:

Thank you for writing.

We too are aware of the reissue of MP-12, but we have not been officially informed by TakaraTomy, so we cannot start accepting order for it.

We will start accepting pre-order for it as soon as we receive the news from the manufacturer.


It's no longer on preorder status on BBTS it's in stock. So that makes me wonder where BBTS and TFSource are getting their second run stock from when the Japanese retailers haven't even confirmed a second run....
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Re: Buyer Beware! KO Masterpiece 12 Lambor/Sideswipe!

Postby Cyberpath » Wed Mar 26, 2014 2:02 am

ZenPrime wrote:It's no longer on preorder status on BBTS it's in stock. So that makes me wonder where BBTS and TFSource are getting their second run stock from when the Japanese retailers haven't even confirmed a second run....


I wish I knew. Something feels off. I emailed two more Japanese stores last night and got similar responses.
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Re: Buyer Beware! KO Masterpiece 12 Lambor/Sideswipe!

Postby mooncake623 » Wed Mar 26, 2014 7:31 am

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Woah maybe they order from Asia instead of Japan? Japan never gets any of the Asian reissues (Grimlock, MP10 (with flight stand), I'm going to say Starscream too?)
would be ridiculous if BBTS and TFsource is ordering KOs for people.
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Re: Buyer Beware! KO Masterpiece 12 Lambor/Sideswipe!

Postby ZenPrime » Wed Mar 26, 2014 7:49 am

Cyberpath wrote:
ZenPrime wrote:It's no longer on preorder status on BBTS it's in stock. So that makes me wonder where BBTS and TFSource are getting their second run stock from when the Japanese retailers haven't even confirmed a second run....


I wish I knew. Something feels off. I emailed two more Japanese stores last night and got similar responses.


I have two in my POL but I'm reluctant to ship it because of this....
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Re: Buyer Beware! KO Masterpiece 12 Lambor/Sideswipe!

Postby Cyberpath » Wed Mar 26, 2014 2:34 pm

mooncake623 wrote:Woah maybe they order from Asia instead of Japan? Japan never gets any of the Asian reissues (Grimlock, MP10 (with flight stand), I'm going to say Starscream too?)
would be ridiculous if BBTS and TFsource is ordering KOs for people.
I don't understand, who is their supplier and why would Japan be excluded?
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Re: Buyer Beware! KO Masterpiece 12 Lambor/Sideswipe!

Postby Dead Metal » Wed Mar 26, 2014 3:57 pm

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Guys, the 2nd run Lambos are real. The G2 Sideswipe uses the same tweaks as the 2nd run Lambos.
Also, I'm pretty sure the news about the 2nd run came directly from Takara.

Then there is the fact that the KO came out over a year ago, on top of that chimungen has it listed as 2nd run. They no-longer stock KOs of that caliber ever since the owner was arrested and threatened to be thrown in jail if he ever as much as looked at them again.

I'm also pretty sure that Japanese stores do not offer pre-orders for 2nd runs of pretty recent figures. The original 2nd run Megatron didn't get pre-orders, it was simply announced and he showed up, it's the importers that offer pre-orders for second run figures usually.
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Re: Buyer Beware! KO Masterpiece 12 Lambor/Sideswipe!

Postby Cyberpath » Wed Mar 26, 2014 4:30 pm

Dead Metal wrote:Guys, the 2nd run Lambos are real. The G2 Sideswipe uses the same tweaks as the 2nd run Lambos.
Also, I'm pretty sure the news about the 2nd run came directly from Takara.

Then there is the fact that the KO came out over a year ago, on top of that chimungen has it listed as 2nd run. They no-longer stock KOs of that caliber ever since the owner was arrested and threatened to be thrown in jail if he ever as much as looked at them again.

I'm also pretty sure that Japanese stores do not offer pre-orders for 2nd runs of pretty recent figures. The original 2nd run Megatron didn't get pre-orders, it was simply announced and he showed up, it's the importers that offer pre-orders for second run figures usually.

I got my MP-13 reissue from a Japanese store though. I assumed they'd have MP-12 as well, but they haven't even heard from Takara. That's what I find rather weird.
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Re: Buyer Beware! KO Masterpiece 12 Lambor/Sideswipe!

Postby Stormrider » Wed Mar 26, 2014 4:39 pm

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mooncake623 wrote:Woah maybe they order from Asia instead of Japan? Japan never gets any of the Asian reissues (Grimlock, MP10 (with flight stand), I'm going to say Starscream too?)
would be ridiculous if BBTS and TFsource is ordering KOs for people.


Is Sideswipe packaged in vehicle mode like the first issue?
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Re: Buyer Beware! KO Masterpiece 12 Lambor/Sideswipe!

Postby zodconvoy » Thu Mar 27, 2014 10:20 am

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mooncake623 wrote:Woah maybe they order from Asia instead of Japan? Japan never gets any of the Asian reissues (Grimlock, MP10 (with flight stand), I'm going to say Starscream too?)
would be ridiculous if BBTS and TFsource is ordering KOs for people.


Is Sideswipe packaged in vehicle mode like the first issue?


I (knowingly) ordered the KO Lambor and it comes packaged in altmode in a very official looking box. There are ways to tell the difference before even opening it.
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Re: MP-12 reissue

Postby Cyberpath » Sat Mar 29, 2014 2:24 pm

I asked Captured Prey about this release, here's their reply:

They are from a company in China, but they are definitely legitimate. This same company are the ones responsible for working with Takara to do the second runs of MP-10 with the coin and stand, MP-11, MP-08 Grimlock with the coin and sword flames, and the upcoming MP-14 reissue and MP-18 Silverstreak version.

Still think it's kind of weird that the Japanese stores are excluded but I went ahead an ordered one from CP (they are slightly cheaper than the other American stores.) I'm a little uncomfortable paying that much for an MP car but I didn't want to miss out on Sideswipe again. Hope everything about the figure will be tip-top.
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Re: Buyer Beware! KO Masterpiece 12 Lambor/Sideswipe!

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