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Characters in the franchise that you like but everyone else hates.

Postby kaijuguy19 » Thu Jan 23, 2014 1:36 pm

A lot of us have characters that we like but a lot of people don't for some reason or another so what characters that you like for some reason that many don't?

Here's my list.

Prime Airachnid: A lot of people I know despise her in almost every way possible calling her a rip off from Blackarachnia and was just made simply for the reason of being Arcee's rival because they're girls. Honestly I don't see how she's a rip off to Blackarachnia. Yeah they both have webbing powers and that they have a seductive thing going on but there are still some differinces. For example Airachnid never has a real spider alt mode. She only has a walker mode that envokes a spider while her real alt mode is a helicopter. Her personalty is different too because unlike Blackarachnia she's actually a sadist who takes pleasure in torturing her victims. If anything she's more like Trantuals and Rampage. Some people say that she also rip offs Maeficant's design in the head and coattails. Honestly I don't see it as it's more of a homage which makes me wonder if some of them know what a rip off really is.

Prime Wheeljack: I know a lot of people don't like how he's not a kooky inventior and scientist and I understand why but the reason I'm not ticked is because I didn't grow up with the G1 Wheeljack. Prime Wheeljack was my first exposure to him so I'm not as critical to him.

DOTM Que: People say he was a coward for being afraid to die in Barricades hands in that prison scene. First off if he was really a coward then why did he came back to the city with the other Autobots? Also not every Autobot is a hardend warrior so just because you're afraid to die doens't make you a coward. Que's really a nice guy in the movie that you'd like to hang out with and I like that about him.
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Re: Characters in the franchise that you like but everyone else hates.

Postby PrymeStriker » Thu Jan 23, 2014 2:27 pm

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All three of the guys you listed, for different reasons.

Airachnid - she was a new and interesting character with a fun back-story and a great power. Shame it wasn't fleshed out.

Wheeljack - badass with blades and a hip-grenade. Automatic win. Also, great character development in his recurring-to-regular appearances in season two and three.

Que - I like him. He's not one of my absolute favorite characters, but I can tolerate him unlike most people.

Then:

1) Prime Breakdown - It's not that everyone else hates him, but rather he's one of the forgotten Decepticons in my experiences. I love him though, and its a shame he died before his rivalry with Bulkhead could be thoroughly explored. I have no problem with him dying, though.

2) Bumblebee in general - Everyone hates him. I don't know why. He clogs shelves? That has nothing to do with the fiction. That's your asinine retailer overstocking him.

3) Miko - Like Que, I tolerate her.

4) Waspinator

4) Humans in general - Give me a break. :roll:
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Re: Characters in the franchise that you like but everyone else hates.

Postby craggy » Thu Jan 23, 2014 5:29 pm

I liked Airachnid. Mostly because of Blackarachnia and their similarities and differences. It was like a truly evil take on the character, rather than one that was really good but just went out of her way to tell people she was evil. I'm hugely disappointed in her toy though.

The one I like that seems to get most hate is G1 Wheelie. Sure, he raps more than a Visionary, but it was the 80s and/or 00s. Plus, as IDW has since made canon, he'd clearly suffered some debilitating mental trauma. On the other hand, in The Wild Boy Of Quintesson, he was a B.A.M.F. with a necklace of Sharkticon teeth and rather than just being some random bot on the baddies home planet, he was a child transformer whose entire family had crashed there and been eaten. So I'm still looking for a toy that does that character justice.
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Re: Characters in the franchise that you like but everyone else hates.

Postby Windsweeper » Sat Jan 25, 2014 9:14 am

G1 Prowl. He's generally written as a prick especially by Furman. But he's got a cool design and I liked his portrayal in the tech specs, Dreamwave and Budiansky comics where he was affable, patient and logical.

I did like Nick Roche's portarayal where like Batman he's smarter than everyone else and not above manipulation for the greater good.

Prime Wheeljack. I hated G1 Wheeljack because I never liked the knowall scientist cliché. I also have an admittedly strange dislike of faceplates. I was sceptical about Prime Wheeljack initially but he fast became one of my favourites.

Rodimus Prime. He gets a lot of flak for being insecure and replacing Optimus but even as a kid he was my favourite Transformer. I was glad to see the boringly perfect Optimus killed off due to my favourite Transformers Hot Rodimus and Megatron.

Movie Bumblebee. I always hated G1 Bumblebee. Movie Bumblebee was much cooler and I liked the talking through the radio thing.

Movie Optimus Prime. I never liked G1 Optimus but Movie Prime strangely endeared himself to me. Even though it was still Cullen, he just seemed more noble and I liked the retractable faceplate. I do agree with the general dislike of the uncharacteristic "Give me your face!" line.
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Re: Characters in the franchise that you like but everyone else hates.

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Re: Characters in the franchise that you like but everyone else hates.

Postby Va'al » Sun Jan 26, 2014 3:59 pm

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I'm not sure about *everyone* else hating him, but IDW Metalhawk got a lot of flak from the readers. I get that he's sanctimonious and stuck-up and arrogant. But he was written that way for a reason. It's like hating Geoffrey Baratheon - you're supposed to! :D

He's an external character, a cowardly one at that, trying to impart a lesson on the Autobots and Starscream, while not really knowing what he's talking about in the first place.

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Re: Characters in the franchise that you like but everyone else hates.

Postby kaijuguy19 » Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:16 pm

There's some more on my mind here.

Prime Arcee. I'm not sure if a lot of people think this way in other sites but there seems to be a lot of hate towards Arcee from the show Transformers Prime at some places I visit. They say she’s unoriginal,annoying,hyprocritical,whiny,one tack,screams about her partners too much like a deranged nutjob that came out of the 90’s image comics that never grew as a character as well as nobody calling her out for her flaws

I get she’s not a perfect character and some of the criticisms are valid but at times most of the complaints really do make her out to be some form of demon or the next G1 Wheelie and BM Nightscream. Yes she was blinded by revenge but she eventually moved on from it as well as some people like Optimus and Jack telling her that being fearful and revenge driven isn’t something to hold on to. Yes she was snarky but she’s also compassionate and loyal to her friends like with Jack,Miko,Optimus Bumblebee.Bulkhead,Wheeljack etc.

The twins from ROTF: Honestly I didn't think these guys were racist on the show. More like goofballs who took some urban sterotype cues. Sure they can be a little annoing but still they didn't want to make me want to strangle them.

G1 Wheelie: I only saw a bit of him in the G1 movie but his ryming never really angered me like he did to a lot of people. Don't know why. He's fairly an innocent mischivous little guy.

Alexis from Armada: She's one of the few characters in Armada that I liked. Her bond with Starscream along with her being the sensible one makes her likeable to me.

Miko: I'm not going to lie. She did annoy me at first due to her seemingly never learning from her antics along with her big mouth makes her not very likeable. But in a way she's actually not that bad when she's not going Leroy Jenkins on us even being funny too and she also got some development too. In the end she may not be my favourite by a long shot but she's also not one of the worst humans in the franchise either. Not when Leo from ROTF exist.
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Re: Characters in the franchise that you like but everyone else hates.

Postby OptiMagnus » Tue Mar 04, 2014 12:37 am

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Movie Bumblebee. He's so much cooler than his G1 counterpart IMO. I don't care how many toys he has, I still like the character. He has a young, immature, playful side when he's not in combat, but he's totally serious and extremely brave during battle.

The Twins. I still don't see how they're racist. They're basically silly children who think they're acting "cool" and "tough." They really have no idea what they're doing and they spend more time bickering than they do focusing on saving the world, and that's what makes them funny.

People hate Wheeljack? I thought all his incarnations were cool, including Que, who was just a nice guy who didn't deserve to go out like he did.

G1 Ultra Magnus. A lot of people don't like the fact that he only thinks of himself as a soldier and nothing more. I think his best quality is that he's humble yet still a strong fighter. He's a nice guy and a loyal Autobot. He shouldn't take flak for that. Plus, I can relate to him and I feel like he would be approachable easy to talk to in real life. Ironically, I never hear hate for RiD Magnus. You know, the greedy self-centered asshole who tried to murder his brother?
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Re: Characters in the franchise that you like but everyone else hates.

Postby Rodimus Prime » Tue Mar 04, 2014 1:06 am

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G1 Rodimus Prime. 99% of fans wanted an Optimus clone, personality wise, anyway. Or they preferred to not have Prime die to begin with. Considering that Hot Rod was a new character in 1986, it would have been nice to see him spend more time as Hot Rod in the series, not just go from new character to leader in 90 minutes. I think that's why people never related to him, they never got the chance to invest in there character emotionally. I always found Optimus boring. Same old song and dance about honor and defending innocents and all that. There's nothing wrong with that in itself, but it makes for a one-dimensional character, which Optimus in G1 was. Rodimus made it a little less dull. He wasn't perfect by any means, but it was still more than the broken record.

DoTM Sentinel Prime. Yes, I like him. He was ruthless and repeatedly handed the supposedly equally ruthless Optimus his skidplate more than once, as well as bitch-slapped Megatron into his place. I have no doubt in my mind Optimus was dead (again) if it wasn't for Megatron shooting Sentinel in the back. Yeah, he was a treacherous asshole, but he was the single most powerful character in the movie. And he was voiced by Leonard Nimoy. Honestly, if they had called him Rodimus instead of Sentinel, it would have been awesome.
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Re: Characters in the franchise that you like but everyone else hates.

Postby SKYWARPED_128 » Tue Mar 04, 2014 8:38 pm

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Movieverse Megatron. I don't like the character per se, but I do like his ROTF and DOTM designs.

DOTM Sentinel Prime. Most hate him because he shot Ironhide behind his back and is a backstabbing traitor, but isn't that what villains do? IMO, he's probably one of the most fleshed out TF's in the movies.

Movieverse Wheelie. Sure, he's a dirty little sleazebot, but that's what gives him character. It's a departure from either the macho, heroic Autobots and aggressive Decepticons.
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Re: Characters in the franchise that you like but everyone else hates.

Postby OptiMagnus » Thu Mar 06, 2014 6:05 pm

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SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Movieverse Megatron. I don't like the character per se, but I do like his ROTF and DOTM designs.

DOTM Sentinel Prime. Most hate him because he shot Ironhide behind his back and is a backstabbing traitor, but isn't that what villains do? IMO, he's probably one of the most fleshed out TF's in the movies.

Movieverse Wheelie. Sure, he's a dirty little sleazebot, but that's what gives him character. It's a departure from either the macho, heroic Autobots and aggressive Decepticons.

Really? I've never heard any hate for Megs. In fact, the movie version is probably one of my top favorite Megatrons. His evilness and brutality are allowed to be increased since he's being seen by teenage and adult audiences.

Actually, Sentinel Prime is an exceptional example of a villain. But, I think the fact that Ironhide was moderately popular among the fandom and the fact that Sentinel's betrayal was so unexpected, shocking, and evil that it is very difficult to like him.

Yeah, I like Wheelie other than him humping Mikaela's leg. He's not a typical Transformer at all. All the other Transformers are going on serious missions and hunting each other down while he watches TV on the couch and complains all day. You would think Megatron would have crushed him to slag a long time ago.
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Re: Characters in the franchise that you like but everyone else hates.

Postby SKYWARPED_128 » Thu Mar 06, 2014 10:52 pm

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SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Movieverse Megatron. I don't like the character per se, but I do like his ROTF and DOTM designs.

DOTM Sentinel Prime. Most hate him because he shot Ironhide behind his back and is a backstabbing traitor, but isn't that what villains do? IMO, he's probably one of the most fleshed out TF's in the movies.

Movieverse Wheelie. Sure, he's a dirty little sleazebot, but that's what gives him character. It's a departure from either the macho, heroic Autobots and aggressive Decepticons.

Really? I've never heard any hate for Megs. In fact, the movie version is probably one of my top favorite Megatrons. His evilness and brutality are allowed to be increased since he's being seen by teenage and adult audiences.

Actually, Sentinel Prime is an exceptional example of a villain. But, I think the fact that Ironhide was moderately popular among the fandom and the fact that Sentinel's betrayal was so unexpected, shocking, and evil that it is very difficult to like him.

Yeah, I like Wheelie other than him humping Mikaela's leg. He's not a typical Transformer at all. All the other Transformers are going on serious missions and hunting each other down while he watches TV on the couch and complains all day. You would think Megatron would have crushed him to slag a long time ago.


Well, I keep hearing fans complaining about how he became The Fallen's "bitch" and went on to lose his (wrecking) balls when Sentinel basically took over from him in DOTM.

While I don't fully agree with those points, I'd like to see him show more of his "I answer to no one" personality in his other incarnations--his aggressiveness was awesome and palpable in the first movie. I just expect him to plan behind the scenes and prepare to overthrow both The Fallen and Sentinel when given half the chance, without needing Carly to rile him up like that. Well, he's probably not coming back in AoE, so that's that.

That said, I still love his ROTF and DOTM designs.

As for Sentinel, yeah, his killing one of the movies' more well-loved characters didn't earn him a lot of fans. Otherwise, I think he's one of the most well-rounded villains in the TF movies.

Haha, I don't think Wheelie's high enough in the Decepticon food chain to ever meet Megatron!
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Re: Characters in the franchise that you like but everyone else hates.

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Re: Characters in the franchise that you like but everyone else hates.

Postby tfparodies » Fri Mar 07, 2014 9:54 am

G1 Wreck-Gar. Yes, TV-talk thing can get annoying, but swings around a spiked tire and an axe! Fairly badass if you ask me.
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Re: Characters in the franchise that you like but everyone else hates.

Postby KWFlange » Fri Mar 07, 2014 11:18 pm

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kaijuguy19 wrote:
Miko: I'm not going to lie. She did annoy me at first due to her seemingly never learning from her antics along with her big mouth makes her not very likeable. But in a way she's actually not that bad when she's not going Leroy Jenkins on us even being funny too and she also got some development too. In the end she may not be my favourite by a long shot but she's also not one of the worst humans in the franchise either. Not when Leo from ROTF exist.


^This.

I went from "Wow Miko sucks...I guess they have to have at least one annoying human in every medium now". to "Oh no...when did i stop hating her and what do I do if anyone ever finds out?" lol

According to people on another board, Arachnid has NOTHING to do with Black Arachnia. And is instead based 100% on Lock down from animated. You know despite being a Black Spider and female. No one was able to elaborate on why. But they were all in agreement on this and that I was too GEEEWUUUUN for thinking that she and Animated's Black Arachnia had anything to do with a Beast Wars character.

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I like her too. Just wish they would have done more with her. I had predicted she would have something to do with the Preds in season 3 but I was incorrect.
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Re: Characters in the franchise that you like but everyone else hates.

Postby Red 50 » Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:42 pm

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As already stated by many:

Prime Wheeljack
Though I didn't grow up with G1, having discovered it when in my teen years, Wheeljack quickly became my favourite character. Prime adaption is completely different, but no less awesome.

Miko
Yeah, she can be a little too hyperactive or reckless, but honestly I never understood all the hatred towards her. For me she was awesome. Though the emotional thing in mid-second season made me like her even more.

Twins Skids and Mudflap
Before I read, I didn't even know they were considered racist. I just loved them for who they were: a pair of screwups who were funny to look at AND who fought Devastator.

Speaking of which: ROTF Devastator
Yrah, okay, if we get past the wrecking-balls, a lame kill and wasted use, the gorilla-like behemot with little-to-any brainpower was really appealsome. 'Cause, realisticly (did I spell that right?) a gestalt of his size and porportions would really work better on all-fours.

And, as for Airachnid
Yeah, I hate her. But not as she's portrayed, rather as a character. Meaning she's the character I can't wait to get killed. She's sadistic, backstabbing, manipulative and on her first appearance she creeped me out.
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Re: Characters in the franchise that you like but everyone else hates.

Postby Mazinger Prime » Fri Mar 21, 2014 3:51 pm

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Miko
While I can understand how some people would dislike her, I saw what seemingly most others did not. With all 3 of the kids, you got the one who initially doesn't want anything to do with these giant robots who can destroy anything they tough easily, but then comes to accept them(Jack), the one who accepts them for what & who they are(Raf), and the one who is all gung ho about the giant robots & sees the excitement and action of hanging with them(Miko). It's just that the thrash metal loving adrenaline junkie character type is usually a male character. And it's not like we didn't see Miko(or pretty much every human character except for Raf) move past their initial characterisations and grow into new people.

Skids and Mudflap
I still don't see how they were considered racist. Not only do people seem to forget that Optimus told Sam that Autobots learned human speech & characteristics off of the internet in the first movie(and there are TONS of people who act that way on the internet), but the way that the Twins spoke & acted are not confined to only one race. People tried to say that the Twins were racist against Black people despite the fact that not all Black people act that way, and despite the fact that I've seen some Whites and Latinos act & speak in the same manner.

Basically, the Twins were 2 goofball characters who, while tough, thought that they were harder than they actually were.

Hot Rod/Rodimus Prime
People hate Hot Rod because "he got Optimus killed".....ummmmm, no he didn't. Yes, he got involved in a fight that he shouldn't have, but his involvement didn't hinder Optimus. Remember, this is the same Optimus who sharpshot a tiny square target weakness upon the back of a moving Devastator(which, of course, never appeared again), so if he wanted to he could've hit Megatron despite the fact that Hot Rod was being used as a sorta shield. And he also proved Optimus a liar, whatever happened to that "Megatron must be stopped, NO MATTER THE COST" line you used not 10 minutes earlier. I guess there is a cost to you stopping Megatron, hmmmmm.

Anyway, people hate Rodimus Prime because he replaced Optimus as leader, and "stole" Ultra Magnus' job(despite the fact that the Matrix didn't choose Magnus, and no whoever touched it first doesn't make the Matrix choose it's next bearer so the fact that Hot Rod caught the falling Matrix & handed it to Magnus means nothing). People complained that all we got was a whiny making mistakes Rodimus, forgetting that all we had before that was a massive screw up by Orion Pax, the first 3 or so minutes of Optimus' reformatted life, and then Optimus 9 million years later. We never got to see Optimus' growing period & his mistake making, we just got him fully developed as a warrior and confident leader. Which was refreshing to see, IMHO. And it's not like Rodimus was a colossial failure who cost the Autobots everything.
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Re: Characters in the franchise that you like but everyone else hates.

Postby shajaki » Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:52 pm

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Windsweeper wrote:Rodimus Prime. He gets a lot of flak for being insecure and replacing Optimus but even as a kid he was my favourite Transformer. I was glad to see the boringly perfect Optimus killed off due to my favourite Transformers Hot Rodimus and Megatron.

Movie Bumblebee. I always hated G1 Bumblebee. Movie Bumblebee was much cooler and I liked the talking through the radio thing.

yes. thank you.

i had sort of a strange relationship with G1 cartoons. i grew up with ONLY season one and the movie. i had essentially the entire first season on a few VHS's, which i honestly think my mom did the two VCR hookup thing and copied some rentals cause they had no commercials or even signs of editing. so anyways, i watched those endlessly. i never saw anything beyond that until the movie came out so i pretty much skipped season two entirely, and missed season three afterwords as well. then, being a child, my focus shifted to ninja turtles. i think i saw return of optimus prime (rented from the video store) around the ninja turtle era.

my only experience with hot rod was the movie. and he kicked F'ing ass in the movie. also it never crossed my mind that hot rod was "the reason" prime died. when i got older and finally watched the G1 toon in its entirety, i cant say season threes portrayal of rodimus didnt taint things. but like others have mentioned, he was fresh faced while prime had been molded by six million years of war, so i can let that slide.

and how could anyone hate movie BB? did they want to see a tiny weak ass volkswagon brought to life? i didnt. radio talk didnt bother me either. though if you think about it maybe movie BB should have been a different character entirely. maybe sideswipe or sunstreaker? but they probably wanted the kid friendly appeal.
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Re: Characters in the franchise that you like but everyone else hates.

Postby craggy » Sun Mar 23, 2014 1:07 pm

shajaki wrote:
and how could anyone hate movie BB? did they want to see a tiny weak ass volkswagon brought to life? i didnt. radio talk didnt bother me either. though if you think about it maybe movie BB should have been a different character entirely. maybe sideswipe or sunstreaker? but they probably wanted the kid friendly appeal.

I'm not a fan of movie BB but that's probably because of your 2nd point, he really is nothing like the previous versions of Bumblebee. That's the big problem with most of the movie name use. A few characters retain a very few familiar characteristics, most don't and the majority jettison everything but the names and allegiances. Of course, there's also the fact that most movie Transformers get so little exploration that it's quite difficult to tell if they do have any character at all.
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Re: Characters in the franchise that you like but everyone else hates.

Postby RSDADDIMUS » Sun Mar 23, 2014 7:30 pm

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Some of my favs that I've heard complaints about are:

G1 Wreck Gar-I thought that the Junkions RULED!! :BOT:

DOTM Que/Wheeljack -He was a good hearted inventor/weaponsmith not a soldier.I liked him fine. :BOT:


I've heard a few complaints about Bayverse Prime,how he was a cold blooded killer and wasn't even tempered. Personally I think his character grew during the films.I also found his reactions to Megatron,The Fallen and Sentinel Prime realistic. He's not a super hero,he's a soldier who had to win by any means necessary :BOT:


Who I really did not like was DOTM Soundwave.His personality in that film made him more like a bully instead of the Smart,sophisticated and just BAD A$$ character from G1 and PRIME. He was fine the 35 seconds he was in ROTF,though. :michaelbay:
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Re: Characters in the franchise that you like but everyone else hates.

Postby skynet1O1 » Thu Apr 24, 2014 12:13 pm

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If Starscream wasn't in Prime I might have enjoyed Airachnid more but all she was, to me, a rehash of SS. IE: She wanted her own army, not 100% loyal to Megatron/Decepticons, she is selfish/arragont. We already have SS for that and we all love him already.
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Re: Characters in the franchise that you like but everyone else hates.

Postby skynet1O1 » Thu Apr 24, 2014 12:15 pm

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Re: Characters in the franchise that you like but everyone else hates.

Postby craggy » Thu Apr 24, 2014 2:40 pm

Airachnid was at least vaguely successful though. I honestly never saw the parallel between the two til you mentioned it. Maybe cause Screamer was a lot more snivelly around Megs. Funny, they both even had beef with Arcee.
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Re: Characters in the franchise that you like but everyone else hates.

Postby PrymeStriker » Thu Apr 24, 2014 4:10 pm

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skynet1O1 wrote:If Starscream wasn't in Prime I might have enjoyed Airachnid more but all she was, to me, a rehash of SS. IE: She wanted her own army, not 100% loyal to Megatron/Decepticons, she is selfish/arragont.


Well, that's what made their conflicts so entertaining and enjoyable. They were two of a kind, and therefore repelled one another in the most hilarious ways possible.

craggy wrote:Funny, they both even had beef with Arcee.


Rather, Arcee had beef with the two of them. :P
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Re: Characters in the franchise that you like but everyone else hates.

Postby MightyMagnus78 » Thu Apr 24, 2014 4:32 pm

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PrymeStriker wrote:
skynet1O1 wrote:If Starscream wasn't in Prime I might have enjoyed Airachnid more but all she was, to me, a rehash of SS. IE: She wanted her own army, not 100% loyal to Megatron/Decepticons, she is selfish/arragont.


Well, that's what made their conflicts so entertaining and enjoyable. They were two of a kind, and therefore repelled one another in the most hilarious ways possible.

craggy wrote:Funny, they both even had beef with Arcee.


Rather, Arcee had beef with the two of them. :P


And to be fair, they both sadistically murdered her respective partners.
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