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Re: Colorado Batman movie shootings

Postby Caelus » Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:11 pm

Shadowman wrote:He was getting a PhD in neuroscience, it's not like he was just some nobody.


Getting a PhD or even having a PhD doesn't make you anybody. You're just another forgettable guy with a larger debt than the average American.


Shadowman wrote:And what's even crazier is that he wasn't just some nutjob who snapped his last snap and went on a rampage, he was getting his PhD in neuroscience, that's not the kind of thing stupid crazy people get to do.


Doctoral programs don't screen for sanity. In fact, mental illness is positively correlated to educational attainment (the more highly educated you are, the more likely you are to have a mental disorder). The general stress of a doctoral program and the sometimes inhumane treatment you get in the doctoral program does nothing to facilitate good mental health, either.
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Re: Colorado Batman movie shootings

Postby Chaoslock » Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:17 pm

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SlyTF1 wrote:I saw this crap all on the news today, all day long. It's just rediculous. The guy was strapped, how the hell didn't anyone notice a guy with big ass guns walking into the theater!? I went to the midnight show last night, and my theater has officers guarding doors and whatnot, so how did they not notice this guy?


He didn't go in through the front. And even so, most theaters don't have armed guards.

SlyTF1 wrote:It sounds some **** the Joker would pull too. Tear gas, shooting into the crowds, killing people. I think he just wanted to be someone important. He obviously planned this for a long ass time and he succeeded. I bet all he wanted to do was to be noticed, and have his name known throughout the world; and we're just giving him just what he wants. Screw this.


He was getting a PhD in neuroscience, it's not like he was just some nobody. Also, completely ignoring incidents like this isn't going to make them go away. The best thing we can do is let him know what a goddamn monster he became.

Still, I'm very interested in learning why he did this. I don't think it was something as simple as a desire for fame or infamy, or just being a nutjob.


I heard that he was possibly a disgruntled ex employee of the theater. But I want to know exactly why he did it too.


You know, I don't even want to know why he did this. Mass murderers like this idiot should just be given a lethal injection or a public hanging right away. There're allready too much of these shootings happening.
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Re: Colorado Batman movie shootings

Postby Cyber Bishop » Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:34 pm

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Caelus wrote:
Shadowman wrote:He was getting a PhD in neuroscience, it's not like he was just some nobody.


Getting a PhD or even having a PhD doesn't make you anybody. You're just another forgettable guy with a larger debt than the average American.



Agreed... I have a bachelors in electronics and that makes me no better than anyone else. Just because you have or are working on a high degree like that does not mean squat, he is just as much a nobody as everyone else is.

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Re: Colorado Batman movie shootings

Postby Caelus » Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:38 pm

Chaoslock wrote:You know, I don't even want to know why he did this. Mass murderers like this idiot should just be given a lethal injection or a public hanging right away. There're allready too much of these shootings happening.


I don't know what bothers me more - that you're so quick to call for the dismissal of due process, or that you specifically want a public hanging.

Perhaps it would help if I understood your position better; when you say there are "too much of these shootings happening", are you being quasi-ironic (i.e., you're just saying that one is too many), or are you concerned that this is a frequent occurrence?
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Re: Colorado Batman movie shootings

Postby Chaoslock » Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:50 pm

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Chaoslock wrote:You know, I don't even want to know why he did this. Mass murderers like this idiot should just be given a lethal injection or a public hanging right away. There're allready too much of these shootings happening.


I don't know what bothers me more - that you're so quick to call for the dismissal of due process, or that you specifically want a public hanging.

Perhaps it would help if I understood your position better; when you say there are "too much of these shootings happening", are you being quasi-ironic (i.e., you're just saying that one is too many), or are you concerned that this is a frequent occurrence?


Concerned. Last year there was the norwegian shooter, now this (and countless others, for example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting). These nuts are getting bolder every time, and there isn't a serious threat for them not to make these mass murders.
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Re: Colorado Batman movie shootings

Postby Shadowman » Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:52 pm

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Caelus wrote:
Chaoslock wrote:You know, I don't even want to know why he did this. Mass murderers like this idiot should just be given a lethal injection or a public hanging right away. There're allready too much of these shootings happening.


I don't know what bothers me more - that you're so quick to call for the dismissal of due process, or that you specifically want a public hanging.

Perhaps it would help if I understood your position better; when you say there are "too much of these shootings happening", are you being quasi-ironic (i.e., you're just saying that one is too many), or are you concerned that this is a frequent occurrence?


This happens, every time there's s story about a tragedy someone drops in about how we should just go back to the legal system of the dark ages. It's best to ignore them.

And figuring out the "why" is the best way to prevent the "how." Crime prevention gets easier if you can figure out the signs and patterns to look for.
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Re: Colorado Batman movie shootings

Postby BeastProwl » Fri Jul 20, 2012 5:22 pm

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Shadowman wrote:And figuring out the "why" is the best way to prevent the "how." Crime prevention gets easier if you can figure out the signs and patterns to look for.

But if there is nothing to look for, if he's a nobody like everyone seems to think, then it wouldnt be all that possible to predict this happening, now would it? Unless were all id tagged and monitored, in wich case, I would rather die.
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Re: Colorado Batman movie shootings

Postby Cyber Bishop » Fri Jul 20, 2012 5:28 pm

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And who knows... That may be next.. I will be with you dying because I refuse to be tagged like an animal.
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Re: Colorado Batman movie shootings

Postby Shadowman » Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:05 pm

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BeastProwl wrote:But if there is nothing to look for, if he's a nobody like everyone seems to think, then it wouldnt be all that possible to predict this happening, now would it?


If he's an empty shell with the body moving of it's own accord, then yeah, probably. Otherwise, psychology always applies. Pinpoint what made him do this and you get that much closer to figuring out how to prevent future tragedies.

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BeastProwl wrote:Unless were all id tagged and monitored, in wich case, I would rather die.


And who knows... That may be next.. I will be with you dying because I refuse to be tagged like an animal.


Derailing a topic about a tragic shooting to talk about committing suicide over a conspiracy theory? I'm surprised at you two.
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Re: Colorado Batman movie shootings

Postby Caelus » Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:43 pm

Chaoslock wrote:Concerned. Last year there was the norwegian shooter, now this (and countless others, for example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting). These nuts are getting bolder every time, and there isn't a serious threat for them not to make these mass murders.


That list you linked to doesn't differentiate random shootings from gang-related shootings, which may be inflating your perception of how serious a problem this is.

I also don't understand, quantitatively, what you mean when you say they're getting bolder every time. It doesn't seem like much has changed in the past ten years.

And IIRC, most shooters of this nature have committed suicide or otherwise planned to die within the course of their attack, so I don't understand what sort of "serious threat" you have in mind to prevent such shootings. Are you advocating tighter gun control laws?



Cyber Bishop wrote:Just said on the news that he quit school a couple weeks back then bought guns.


"Quit school" is often a polite way of saying "forced out of school". Having seen the edge of that precipice myself, and seen others go through that too, I'd say that's a likely cause.
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Re: Colorado Batman movie shootings

Postby BeastProwl » Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:00 pm

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Shadowman wrote:If he's an empty shell with the body moving of it's own accord, then yeah, probably. Otherwise, psychology always applies. Pinpoint what made him do this and you get that much closer to figuring out how to prevent future tragedies.

I guess I should clarify. Yes, you could find the signs and hints towards certain things like this happening. BUT if the person was never actually labeled as having a mental illness, and wasnt observed, then it's hard to pick up on said hints and act on them. You would need to observe such a person, closely, if they dont outwardly show their psychotic side. Those who do show it are usually hospitalized and observed.

A person can be normal all their life, and one day snap, without even realising it. Without an in depth psychological study on that one person (Out of millions of people, might I add) then stuff like this will keep on happening, because its too outright un-predictable, unless you know what is going on with each and every person's brain, each and every hour of each and every day.

Seeing as how that would be impossible without, say, some sort of chip or card or daily scan or something of that nature, it would be impossible to moniter every one single human being on this planet. Their brains, at least.

Thats why crap like this happens. It was unpredictable, because he was a normal person like you and me. Then he went ape-shit and decided he was Batman's worst enemy.

Now, if he has some sort of pre-mentioned disorder or something, then all I just said can be thrown out the window. :P I was just trying to explain my point a bit better.
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Re: Colorado Batman movie shootings

Postby Shadowman » Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:20 pm

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Shadowman wrote:If he's an empty shell with the body moving of it's own accord, then yeah, probably. Otherwise, psychology always applies. Pinpoint what made him do this and you get that much closer to figuring out how to prevent future tragedies.

I guess I should clarify. Yes, you could find the signs and hints towards certain things like this happening. BUT if the person was never actually labeled as having a mental illness, and wasnt observed, then it's hard to pick up on said hints and act on them. You would need to observe such a person, closely, if they dont outwardly show their psychotic side. Those who do show it are usually hospitalized and observed.


Oh, there are signs. Like, for instance, if your best friend was collecting a bunch of guns and wiring his apartment to explode at the moment of an intrusion, that should probably give you the idea to call the police.

BeastProwl wrote:A person can be normal all their life, and one day snap, without even realising it. Without an in depth psychological study on that one person (Out of millions of people, might I add) then stuff like this will keep on happening, because its too outright un-predictable, unless you know what is going on with each and every person's brain, each and every hour of each and every day.

Seeing as how that would be impossible without, say, some sort of chip or card or daily scan or something of that nature, it would be impossible to moniter every one single human being on this planet. Their brains, at least.


Once again, you jump right on the "conspiracy theory" bandwagon that has nothing to do with what anyone is talking about.

I'm not saying "monitor everyone everywhere forever" and I don't recall ever even implying that. No matter how insane you are, no matter how badly you've snapped, you still have to interact with people before you actually make a move like this. Informing people, ordinary people, about psychological signs that someone is about to do something really awful, can help.

BeastProwl wrote:Thats why crap like this happens. It was unpredictable, because he was a normal person like you and me. Then he went ape-shit and decided he was Batman's worst enemy.


Where did you read that?
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Re: Colorado Batman movie shootings

Postby BeastProwl » Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:06 pm

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Ok, valid points.

The point I'm trying to make is, if you try hard enough, or are a total recluse (All of this is hypothetical, BTW) you could pass off as being a normal guy, and not give off any clues. I mean, if he didnt have any friends who were close enough to see him wiring his house/apartment, or maybe they didnt visit him, then I can see that going under the radar.

As for the guns, well, how many did he buy? If he bought quite a few all at once, then I would like to know why he wasnt investigated.

But if he bought them from different people in different places, then no one would really question him, now would they? Or maybe he just tried to pass off as a collector of sorts.

I dont know the details here, I'm just trying to say, keeping tabs on a guy that no one really knows is psychotic would be difficult.

I'm sure SOMEONE picked up on it, and I'm sure once this is all said and done, someone will come forward and say so, or records will come up, or something.

And your right, no one was talking about conspiracies until I brought up Tags, and that was a loose example, at best, of what would need to happen to do something like that.(Monitor people) and wasnt meant to be taken so seriously. I'm sure that wont happen, or already has, A or B, you choose.

And I didnt read it anywere, he was dressed up like the joker, or something, so I just threw that part in there.
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Re: Colorado Batman movie shootings

Postby Shadowman » Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:33 pm

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He was wearing a gas mask and body armor, and people pointed out Bane also wears those things in the movie.
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Re: Colorado Batman movie shootings

Postby BeastProwl » Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:51 pm

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BeastProwl wrote:And I didnt read it anywere, he was dressed up like the joker, or something, so I just threw that part in there.


He was wearing a gas mask and body armor, and people pointed out Bane also wears those things in the movie.


Well, I didnt read about it all that much, I just heard about it on the radio a while ago. They said "a crazed man in costume attacked a colorado movie audience and killed 12 people, during the airing of the latest batman movie."

But yes, a bane costume makes a bit more sense I suppose. The question still remains though. Why a batman movie? Dressed as the villain? I mean, why not do it in a mall or a street (Not saying these would be better) Just sayin, it's an odd choice of when and where.
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Re: Colorado Batman movie shootings

Postby njb902 » Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:52 pm

I see he was useing an ar-15, for such a small caliber gun they do make some nasty wounds.
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Re: Colorado Batman movie shootings

Postby Shadowman » Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:54 pm

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BeastProwl wrote:And I didnt read it anywere, he was dressed up like the joker, or something, so I just threw that part in there.


He was wearing a gas mask and body armor, and people pointed out Bane also wears those things in the movie.


Well, I didnt read about it all that much, I just heard about it on the radio a while ago. They said "a crazed man in costume attacked a colorado movie audience and killed 12 people, during the airing of the latest batman movie."

But yes, a bane costume makes a bit more sense I suppose. The question still remains though. Why a batman movie? Dressed as the villain? I mean, why not do it in a mall or a street (Not saying these would be better) Just sayin, it's an odd choice of when and where.


It wasn't a costume. He was wearing an actual gas mask and actual body armor, and an actual riot helmet. He wasn't in costume like going to Comic-Con, he was in costume like going into war.

njb902 wrote:I see he was useing an ar-15, for such a small caliber gun they do make some nasty wounds.


AR-15 can use just about anything from 9mm to .50 cal. Then again, there is no caliber of bullet that doesn't leave a wound.
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Re: Colorado Batman movie shootings

Postby Shadowman » Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:02 pm

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BeastProwl wrote:huh. Wonder were he got it O.o Seriously, this guy must have known some people.


Military surplus store, probably. You can buy just about anything there for preventing someone from killing you. Which, all things considered, is a shame in this case.
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Re: Colorado Batman movie shootings

Postby Dead Metal » Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:31 pm

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The news outlets over here are using this as propaganda against video games again, they do this every time someone shoots someone- every time.

Some awesome gems from news reports on this:

The shooter shot people at random. There is a Batman video game in that also features a gun fight. The police don't know his name yet.


Yea, that's how they reported that, they just dropped the video game line into something completely unrelated. Also, they didn't say shooting but actual gun fight as in Batman returned fire.

According to the police the shooter coloured his hair red and called himself Joker just like the villain from the Batman movies.

another parallel to the Batman movies: the protagonist Bruce Wayne evolves into his alter-ego Batman after his parents where shot dead by a small time criminal after visiting a movie cinema.


Seriously, I'm not lying here, this is just disgusting. Those poor people.
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Re: Colorado Batman movie shootings

Postby njb902 » Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:48 pm

Shadowman wrote:
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Shadowman wrote:
BeastProwl wrote:And I didnt read it anywere, he was dressed up like the joker, or something, so I just threw that part in there.


He was wearing a gas mask and body armor, and people pointed out Bane also wears those things in the movie.


Well, I didnt read about it all that much, I just heard about it on the radio a while ago. They said "a crazed man in costume attacked a colorado movie audience and killed 12 people, during the airing of the latest batman movie."

But yes, a bane costume makes a bit more sense I suppose. The question still remains though. Why a batman movie? Dressed as the villain? I mean, why not do it in a mall or a street (Not saying these would be better) Just sayin, it's an odd choice of when and where.


It wasn't a costume. He was wearing an actual gas mask and actual body armor, and an actual riot helmet. He wasn't in costume like going to Comic-Con, he was in costume like going into war.

njb902 wrote:I see he was useing an ar-15, for such a small caliber gun they do make some nasty wounds.


AR-15 can use just about anything from 9mm to .50 cal. Then again, there is no caliber of bullet that doesn't leave a wound.



most ar-15's are .223(or 5.56mm if you prefer), and the ammunition they use is some of the most damaging in the world(at least as far as assault rifles go). what I can't belive is the media saying it was an ak style weapon, what are they afraid to piss of the army or our military industrial complex....hell maybe the nra. I've been a member of the nra since I was 18, but i never saw the point in a civilian being able to have an assult rifle or smg. spent to much time in Afghanistan to ever think anyone needs the damned things. sorry to sound preachy.

anyways at least they have a good case against this guy. only thing that I question is if he is convicted how will he be sentinced.
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Re: Colorado Batman movie shootings

Postby Cyber Bishop » Sat Jul 21, 2012 9:01 am

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Another thing that stinks about this is I have been reading comments about people being scared to go to the movies now...
So when they have a big shooting at a diner why are people not scared to go and eat?

Makes no sense to me.. All I know is I will not let fear win! I will go see this movie and all the other movies I intended on seeing.
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Re: Colorado Batman movie shootings

Postby Nemesis Destron » Sat Jul 21, 2012 9:11 am

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njb902 wrote:anyways at least they have a good case against this guy. only thing that I question is if he is convicted how will he be sentinced.


This is such a horrible tragedy that has struck the state of Colorado again! My sincerest thoughts go out to those lost or wounded in this awful mess. Now because of this disturbed f*ck a simple freedom we enjoy, going to movie theatres will be altered in some way shape or form.

I hope you're right njb902, I hope the prosecution has a ironclad case on this guy who apparently is calling himself the joker...unfortunately. Let's all hope that the evidence and victims alive and dead shows his purest of intentions with no hopes of insanity plea's...the voices made him do it, or the neighbor's dog made him do it, or least of all the Joker made me do it. :VEHI:
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Re: Colorado Batman movie shootings

Postby njb902 » Sat Jul 21, 2012 9:32 am

Cyber Bishop wrote:Another thing that stinks about this is I have been reading comments about people being scared to go to the movies now...
So when they have a big shooting at a diner why are people not scared to go and eat?

Makes no sense to me.. All I know is I will not let fear win! I will go see this movie and all the other movies I intended on seeing.


I could not agree with ya more CB.
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Re: Colorado Batman movie shootings

Postby Shadowman » Sat Jul 21, 2012 1:11 pm

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Cyber Bishop wrote:Another thing that stinks about this is I have been reading comments about people being scared to go to the movies now...
So when they have a big shooting at a diner why are people not scared to go and eat?

Makes no sense to me.. All I know is I will not let fear win! I will go see this movie and all the other movies I intended on seeing.


I got tickets for Sunday night. I'm not going to let some nutjob with a gun stop me from enjoying some quality Batman.
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