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Postby kjeevah » Mon Mar 19, 2007 1:59 am

your mom looks mre like bumblbee than that eva does:

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Postby Saber Prime » Mon Mar 19, 2007 3:47 am

kjeevah wrote:your mom looks mre like bumblbee than that eva does:

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Chest: Same V pannel shape.

Arm: Same hands/lower arm.

Leg: Smae pointed knee and raised foot thingy. (that part that sticks up right between the foot and the ankle on top) He could easily be a movie Eva character.

Now point out where Movie Bumblebee actully looks like Bumblebee?

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Postby AbsumZer0 » Mon Mar 19, 2007 5:18 pm

Saber Prime wrote:Chest: Same V pannel shape.

Arm: Same hands/lower arm.

Leg: Smae pointed knee and raised foot thingy. (that part that sticks up right between the foot and the ankle on top) He could easily be a movie Eva character.

Now point out where Movie Bumblebee actully looks like Bumblebee?

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Your argument wasn't that the movie Bumblebee doesn't look like his cartoon/comic/toyline G1 appearance. It was that movie Bumblebee was a direct ripoff of EVA-00, which, apart from the similarity of the knee/boot and the angular chest plates, is completely baseless. Even if they did draw some inspiration from the EVA the similarities are nowhere near close enough to make it a direct rip-off or even an obvious homage. People going about making statements that this and that is a ripoff of the mecha from Gundam/Evangelion/Dunbine/Escaflowne/whatever other anime they've never actually watched has gotten old fast.

No, no, no, Bumblebee couldn't pass for EVA-00 in a live-action movie. Evangelion fans have enough to slap their foreheads over about the upcoming movie without having to worry about the 'general public' being willing to accept Hollywood doing to the EVAs what they've done to Megatron and Starscream.
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Postby Saber Prime » Tue Mar 20, 2007 12:39 am

AbsumZer0 wrote:
Saber Prime wrote:Chest: Same V pannel shape.

Arm: Same hands/lower arm.

Leg: Smae pointed knee and raised foot thingy. (that part that sticks up right between the foot and the ankle on top) He could easily be a movie Eva character.

Now point out where Movie Bumblebee actully looks like Bumblebee?

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Your argument wasn't that the movie Bumblebee doesn't look like his cartoon/comic/toyline G1 appearance. It was that movie Bumblebee was a direct ripoff of EVA-00, which, apart from the similarity of the knee/boot and the angular chest plates, is completely baseless. Even if they did draw some inspiration from the EVA the similarities are nowhere near close enough to make it a direct rip-off or even an obvious homage. People going about making statements that this and that is a ripoff of the mecha from Gundam/Evangelion/Dunbine/Escaflowne/whatever other anime they've never actually watched has gotten old fast.

No, no, no, Bumblebee couldn't pass for EVA-00 in a live-action movie. Evangelion fans have enough to slap their foreheads over about the upcoming movie without having to worry about the 'general public' being willing to accept Hollywood doing to the EVAs what they've done to Megatron and Starscream.


The argument works both ways. He does look like eva, he doesn't look like Bumblebee. I haven't changed the argument it's all the same thing. The point being that movie Bumblebee should have any resembalnce to anything other that G1 Bumblebee.

Of course when any movie gets made designs get changed around but there are still some simularities between the original. There are no simularities with Transformers but there are with eva, Gundum, and whatever other animes you can think of with gient robots.

How is it that the Transformers movie designs resemble every kind of robot out there EXCEPT for Transformers?

This isn't a new agument either, the fans have been asking this question ever sene the first leaked image, this eva guy just makes things worse.
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Postby AbsumZer0 » Tue Mar 20, 2007 1:32 am

Saber Prime wrote:
AbsumZer0 wrote:
Saber Prime wrote:Chest: Same V pannel shape.

Arm: Same hands/lower arm.

Leg: Smae pointed knee and raised foot thingy. (that part that sticks up right between the foot and the ankle on top) He could easily be a movie Eva character.

Now point out where Movie Bumblebee actully looks like Bumblebee?

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Your argument wasn't that the movie Bumblebee doesn't look like his cartoon/comic/toyline G1 appearance. It was that movie Bumblebee was a direct ripoff of EVA-00, which, apart from the similarity of the knee/boot and the angular chest plates, is completely baseless. Even if they did draw some inspiration from the EVA the similarities are nowhere near close enough to make it a direct rip-off or even an obvious homage. People going about making statements that this and that is a ripoff of the mecha from Gundam/Evangelion/Dunbine/Escaflowne/whatever other anime they've never actually watched has gotten old fast.

No, no, no, Bumblebee couldn't pass for EVA-00 in a live-action movie. Evangelion fans have enough to slap their foreheads over about the upcoming movie without having to worry about the 'general public' being willing to accept Hollywood doing to the EVAs what they've done to Megatron and Starscream.


The argument works both ways. He does look like eva, he doesn't look like Bumblebee. I haven't changed the argument it's all the same thing. The point being that movie Bumblebee should have any resembalnce to anything other that G1 Bumblebee.

Of course when any movie gets made designs get changed around but there are still some simularities between the original. There are no simularities with Transformers but there are with eva, Gundum, and whatever other animes you can think of with gient robots.

How is it that the Transformers movie designs resemble every kind of robot out there EXCEPT for Transformers?

This isn't a new agument either, the fans have been asking this question ever sene the first leaked image, this eva guy just makes things worse.


The movie Transformers resemble contemporary mecha more than they do the original G1 designs because the original designs were boxy, Super-Robo type robots. Mecha in general have had to evolve beyond that because the boxy Super-Robo designs have become increasingly less popular, whereas Transformers has largely been able to avoid that due to their Transformation gimmick. Unfortunately for those who prefer the super-robot look, it wouldn't work in film because it restricts fluid movement. You can get away with it in comics but in film you'd wind-up with something akin to the Zords of Super Sentai. Could they/should they have done more to make it resemble G1 Bumblebee? I definitely think so. But, saying they 'copied' other mecha is an absolutely rubbish argument.

And no, he doesn't 'look like Eva'. He looks like a Terminator robot with car parts stuck to him.

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The Eva aren't even robots. Movie Bumblebee is clearly a robot. Apart from the shape of the leg and the color he does not look like Eva-00.
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Postby Senor Hugo » Tue Mar 20, 2007 1:43 am

So obviously, since it they both share yellow plating, and black joints, Bumblebee was based on the Eva. Although looking to Japanese mechs for influence when designing something is common, especially if you're working on Transformers, don't just assume they saw one thing and went with it, more of a agalmation of ideas ranging from the original Bumblebee to Japanese mechs.

Also, for the record. I've never seen Evangelion all the way through, because the whole "lets make angels into robots to fight angels" premise, is well, stupid. That and the series bored me to tears.
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