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Re: Dairycon 2012: The Announcement!

Postby Court Jester » Mon Mar 19, 2012 8:01 am

Wow.
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Re: Dairycon 2012: The Announcement!

Postby freetouch » Mon Mar 19, 2012 8:06 am

Bowspearer wrote:You've completely missed the point here though when you try and fallaciously bring go-bots into this. The issue isn't other brands of toys but 3rd party companies making unlicensed versions of Transformer characters and thus stealing Hasbro's IPs- it's the fact that they're unlicensed that is the stacking point.

As for KOs, they're completely irredeemable and have completely ruined the hobby for vintage collectors. It used to be you'd come across a vintage piece on eBay and love the thrill of buying it. Now when you come across one, you spend ages pouring over photos trying to work out if it's the real deal and even then you're worried about whether you've missed them- all because of the scammers and bootleggers out there screwing over Hasbro and the fan community to make a quick buck and I can't wait to see Hasbro sending a strong message against selling and making them. Even if they can't get the bootleggers in China, they can certainly get ev ery single person outside of China trying to sell them.

Personally I can't wait- maybe then those of us collecting Vintage G1 can actually start to enjoy our hobby without worrying about being scammed every single time we find what we think might be a nice vintage piece on eBay.


Still a 3rd party, Go-bots are now illegal to sell. (if you haven't guessed by now, I dont care either way, so deal with it).

NOOOOOOPE KO's haven't ruined anything. Look, just because YOU specifically are having a harder time with your toy's doesn't mean everyone else is. you do realize on ebay, you can dispute KO's. If a person sells you one, and says its an original, and it turns out to be a fake, you get you money back. It's not rocket science. Look... if hasbro would reissue g1 things more often, like they used to, more people would by them. Bootleggers are not screwing hasbro out of any money, because hasbro isnt making the toys. Fun fact, all those vintage things you buy from dealers, were already sold by hasbro, so they arent making another dime on anything. Unless its being released right now, as in PRIME toys, Hasbro already made their money, and aren't going to loose on KO's because they don't have a product out to compete with it.

Cry some more about your hobby. If you aren't having fun anymore, its not the hobby, it you. I collect Transforming robots, I have a large collection starting from U.S. G1 all the way up to Prime, with everything in between. Never once have I thought KO's or 3rd party were ruining my fun, the only people ruining my fun are Hasbro and Takara for not releasing more reissues, or better products like headmasters, PowerCore Combiners with transforming limbs, or Masterpiece pieces that are missing entire trailers, letting ebay scalpers make $1000 on a toy that could be easily reproduced for $80, and their terrible blanket support statement of a company that let hackers access everyone's credit card numbers because they used **** security.

Again, to summarize, I totally just made your day, because you didn't know you could dispute (and pretty much win every time because ebay protects buyers like a celebrity) any sales on ebay,and get our money back.

We are all fans, you are angry, and I get that, but you aren't understanding the whole picture. Instead of going after, C&D and sueing companies making toys based on their ip's that hastak has said they won't do, they should be combating them by producing a product that is better than, or at least tries to compete with, said items. Sure, a company can cry and hold their breath like a child until they pass out, but that won't make them any more money. You make money by making something people want. Do you think McDonalds bitches when I have a back yard cookout with my family and I make cheeseburgers that are better? No, they make more cheeseburgers. Hasbro needs to make more cheeseburgers.

I don't believe I just wrote this much about a toy. Have a good day.
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Re: Dairycon 2012: The Announcement!

Postby TransformersEmporium » Mon Mar 19, 2012 8:06 am

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OMG, i was right, i figured you were either just a real jerk who trolls looking for an arguement which is why i didnt bother replying to your last comment, but now your infinite wisdom and self policing is just annoying. We're all sorry you got screwed because you were foolish enough to think the $200 Prime you bought was authentic, but that happens everywhere and with almost all prodeucts. You should have researched better,It only takes a minute. Im always showing people how to tell the difference or pointing them to(http://highendtfs.com/?q=node/17) which shows in detail and its funny when a small troll like yourself accuses me of underhanded tactics when I am well known and very respected in the TF comunity.
No one is stopping you from enjoying your hobby but you.. You are the one though who is not only causing others to find grief in collecting, but your making places like Siebertron less enjoyable for those of us whom love transformers and would like to discuss them without mindless banter.
I just purchased an 1984, MIB , baggies still sealed, Mint box, optimus prime. Did I check the hell out of it, yep! Did it make it any less enjoyable, nope! I cant wait to send it to AFA.
Should everyone else have the ability to recapture their childhood without dishing out $1200 to $2000, absolutely.
As a fellow transformer fan, im sickened by the way you come on here attacking people, spreading lies about peoples websites and making false accusations, i have nothing left to say to you unless there is an apology only in your next reply.
(And freetouch, Till All Are One, man!) Your right, Gobots would be a 3rd party..
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Re: Dairycon 2012: The Announcement!

Postby TransformersEmporium » Mon Mar 19, 2012 8:14 am

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Amen freetouch....
You tell him, maybe he'll see the error in his ways and stop being such a butt head..
Though im not holding my breath...
Who else wants to petition takara to do Fort Max for the 30th ann??
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NOOOOOOPE KO's haven't ruined anything. Look, just because YOU specifically are having a harder time with your toy's doesn't mean everyone else is. you do realize on ebay, you can dispute KO's. If a person sells you one, and says its an original, and it turns out to be a fake, you get you money back. It's not rocket science. Look... if hasbro would reissue g1 things more often, like they used to, more people would by them. Bootleggers are not screwing hasbro out of any money, because hasbro isnt making the toys. Fun fact, all those vintage things you buy from dealers, were already sold by hasbro, so they arent making another dime on anything. Unless its being released right now, as in PRIME toys, Hasbro already made their money, and aren't going to loose on KO's because they don't have a product out to compete with it.

Cry some more about your hobby. If you aren't having fun anymore, its not the hobby, it you. I collect Transforming robots, I have a large collection starting from U.S. G1 all the way up to Prime, with everything in between. Never once have I thought KO's or 3rd party were ruining my fun, the only people ruining my fun are Hasbro and Takara for not releasing more reissues, or better products like headmasters, PowerCore Combiners with transforming limbs, or Masterpiece pieces that are missing entire trailers, letting ebay scalpers make $1000 on a toy that could be easily reproduced for $80, and their terrible blanket support statement of a company that let hackers access everyone's credit card numbers because they used **** security.

Again, to summarize, I totally just made your day, because you didn't know you could dispute (and pretty much win every time because ebay protects buyers like a celebrity) any sales on ebay,and get our money back.

We are all fans, you are angry, and I get that, but you aren't understanding the whole picture. Instead of going after, C&D and sueing companies making toys based on their ip's that hastak has said they won't do, they should be combating them by producing a product that is better than, or at least tries to compete with, said items. Sure, a company can cry and hold their breath like a child until they pass out, but that won't make them any more money. You make money by making something people want. Do you think McDonalds bitches when I have a back yard cookout with my family and I make cheeseburgers that are better? No, they make more cheeseburgers. Hasbro needs to make more cheeseburgers.

I don't believe I just wrote this much about a toy. Have a good day.[/quote]
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Re: Dairycon 2012: The Announcement!

Postby Bowspearer » Mon Mar 19, 2012 8:21 am

freetouch wrote:Still a 3rd party, Go-bots are now illegal to sell. (if you haven't guessed by now, I dont care either way, so deal with it).


Complete fallacy on your part here as those are not what Hasbro were referring to, anyone looking at the announcement with even a shred of common sense can see that.


freetouch wrote:NOOOOOOPE KO's haven't ruined anything.


Really, so you're saying that scammers would still be able to pass off fakes as the real thing if said fakes weren't around to begin with?

freetouch wrote:Look, just because YOU specifically are having a harder time with your toy's doesn't mean everyone else is. you do realize on ebay, you can dispute KO's. If a person sells you one, and says its an original, and it turns out to be a fake, you get you money back. It's not rocket science.


Which ignores the fact that you have to go through the grief of paypal disputes and that it just kills off the joy when it actually happens- not to mention paying international shipping costs on sending the KOs back to the sellers, under Paypal rules with a claim.

freetouch wrote:Look... if hasbro would reissue g1 things more often, like they used to, more people would by them. Bootleggers are not screwing hasbro out of any money, because hasbro isnt making the toys.


Except that they're being deprived of royalties by people selling products that blatantly rip off their designs without paying Hasbro any royalties for said usage.

freetouch wrote:Fun fact, all those vintage things you buy from dealers, were already sold by hasbro, so they arent making another dime on anything. Unless its being released right now, as in PRIME toys, Hasbro already made their money, and aren't going to loose on KO's because they don't have a product out to compete with it.


This is where you condradict yourself- there is a significant difference between something being resold, where Hasbro have already gotten their cut of things, and someone ripping off their designs and cutting Hasbro out of the loop.

freetouch wrote:Cry some more about your hobby. If you aren't having fun anymore, its not the hobby, it you.


And when did I say the hobby overall wasn't fun anymore- I was specifically talking about buying MIB G1 Transformers. And no, when I'm so busy trying to make sure I'm not getting ripped off, that I can't enjoy the moment anymore of a find, then that's not me, it's the scammers and KOs.

freetouch wrote:We are all fans, you are angry, and I get that, but you aren't understanding the whole picture. Instead of going after, C&D and sueing companies making toys based on their ip's that hastak has said they won't do, they should be combating them by producing a product that is better than, or at least tries to compete with, said items. Sure, a company can cry and hold their breath like a child until they pass out, but that won't make them any more money. You make money by making something people want.


Except the Encore Metroplex situation where the KOs initially tried to copy the G1 box and then copied the Encore box, completely disproves your point. As that situation shows, all the scammers and bootleggers will do, is try and copy the reissue packaging, so whichever way you slice it, the blame for KOs lies squarely at the feet of those makng the Kos, not Hasbro.
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Re: Dairycon 2012: The Announcement!

Postby freetouch » Mon Mar 19, 2012 8:23 am

TransformersEmporium wrote:[color=#0040FF]
Amen freetouch....
You tell him, maybe he'll see the error in his ways and stop being such a butt head..
Though im not holding my breath...
Who else wants to petition takara to do Fort Max for the 30th ann??


Rumor is that they are doing one.

Also, since you like my statements, you should totally give me a wicked discount at your store. I could totally got for a Black Devastator. :grin: :grin: :grin:
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Re: Dairycon 2012: The Announcement!

Postby TransformersEmporium » Mon Mar 19, 2012 8:26 am

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@ Freetouch, just ignore him.. He only wants to argue, if we ignore him he'll go away..
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Re: Dairycon 2012: The Announcement!

Postby freetouch » Mon Mar 19, 2012 8:29 am

@Bowspearer... look, i'm pretty sure you are just angry, and arguing to argue, but when it comes down to brass tax, I don't care. If you want to throw a hissy fit about it, rock on, fight the good fight. I'll be enjoying my toys.

The more you talk the more you prove its your problem, not everyone else's. I don't speak for everyone, and clearly neither do you, so lets agree to disagree, because neither of us are going to sway from our perspective.

Have a good one bro, try to relax and enjoy the rest of the day, its really nice and sunny here, maybe it is wherever you are as well.
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Re: Dairycon 2012: The Announcement!

Postby Bowspearer » Mon Mar 19, 2012 8:32 am

TransformersEmporium wrote:http://highendtfs.com/?q=node/17


I'm well aware of the site and I've use it quite often. The point is that I shouldn't have to go through inspecting box art for the difference between a colon and a comma on the age recommendation disclaimer because the boxart on KOs is trying to replicate the real thing.

TransformersEmporium wrote:Should everyone else have the ability to recapture their childhood without dishing out $1200 to $2000, absolutely.


If something is worth that much, then absolutely not. Here's the thing about taking a mature approach to collecting. If you don't have the money to be able to afford something, you either go without, save up for it, or wait. There are some pieces I'd love to own but don't. One day I'll hopefully own them, but if I don't then so be it. That's the nature of collecting.

TransformersEmporium wrote: spreading lies about peoples websites and making false accusations,


And yet what exactly did I say about your site- that you do not expressly state that your G1 KOs are KOs and that doing so is misleading- something which Discharge was actually the first to raise with you and accused you of being negligent over - and the fact that by selling KOs you are acting illeegally. Both of these statements are entirely factual.
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Re: Dairycon 2012: The Announcement!

Postby TransformersEmporium » Mon Mar 19, 2012 8:36 am

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I could do that.... Ill message you..
And my fingers are crossed on the fort max. lol.



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TransformersEmporium wrote:[color=#0040FF]
Amen freetouch....
You tell him, maybe he'll see the error in his ways and stop being such a butt head..
Though im not holding my breath...
Who else wants to petition takara to do Fort Max for the 30th ann??


Rumor is that they are doing one.

Also, since you like my statements, you should totally give me a wicked discount at your store. I could totally got for a Black Devastator. :grin: :grin: :grin:
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Re: Dairycon 2012: The Announcement!

Postby Bowspearer » Mon Mar 19, 2012 8:41 am

freetouch wrote:@Bowspearer... look, i'm pretty sure you are just angry, and arguing to argue, but when it comes down to brass tax, I don't care. If you want to throw a hissy fit about it, rock on, fight the good fight. I'll be enjoying my toys.


Actually it's more a case of having little tolerance for relativism and double ignorance (see Plato's "crimes of double ignorance") in a situation which doesn't just hurt HasTak, but us as fans. With 3rd arty stuff, HasTak are going to be less likely to produce certain figures, while KOs just introduce scamers into the mix which screw everyone over with how deceptive the boxart mimicry is. The ethics here are clear cut when people actually look at the elephant in the room, but people keep trying to pretend that the situation is everything but what it is.

freetouch wrote:The more you talk the more you prove its your problem, not everyone else's. I don't speak for everyone, and clearly neither do you, so lets agree to disagree, because neither of us are going to sway from our perspective.


And yet I'm not the only one on this forum who has a problem with KOs, and I've encountered several others on other forums who equally have a problem with them in terms of being scam-fodder and potential reasons why we don't get encores of certain figures. You can claim it's just me all you like, and try to convince yourself it's not the way it is. Yet as the old saying goes, the truth eventually catches up with us.
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Re: Dairycon 2012: The Announcement!

Postby freetouch » Mon Mar 19, 2012 8:46 am

Don't care. Have a nice day.
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Re: Dairycon 2012: The Announcement!

Postby Counterpunch » Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:41 am

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Hey hey hey

If this thread becomes a garbage dump like the last one, I am going to skip the warnings and move straight to account review at an admin level for three month suspensions from the site.

Try me.

Anyone hiding behind the guise of "debate" while purposely antagonizing people is going to suffer the same consequences.
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Re: Dairycon 2012: The Announcement!

Postby Fender Bender » Mon Mar 19, 2012 11:53 am

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Indeed, there is no room for this childish Horse Manure in a thread meant for Cow Pies. ;)

Would much prefer to focus on how awesome Dairycon is and why we're gonna have so much fun in April. :)
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Re: Dairycon 2012: The Announcement!

Postby freetouch » Mon Mar 19, 2012 11:58 am

For reals yo. I'd love to go to dairyconthe exclusives look nice. Totally unique, wicked.
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