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Should we really be proud of this? DOTM was an ok movie but but not that good, there are movies below it that are 100 times better. The Dark Knight was a great movie and a great Batman story DOTM was an ok movie and a terrible transformer story. Well at least ROTF isnt in the top 10. Im also surprised to see that Toy Story 3 & Alice in Wonderland are where they were, i knew they did well but not that well.

Megatron Wolf wrote:Should we really be proud of this? DOTM was an ok movie but but not that good, there are movies below it that are 100 times better. The Dark Knight was a great movie and a great Batman story DOTM was an ok movie and a terrible transformer story. Well at least ROTF isnt in the top 10. Im also surprised to see that Toy Story 3 & Alice in Wonderland are where they were, i knew they did well but not that well.

I don't think we should be proud of it. We had contributed in no way to this thing, other then really like TF's.

Bay and everyone who has worked on it should be proud.

Rodimus Prime: The only way I’d see DOTM in the theatre again is if I could magically fast-forward the movie to where Sentinel Prime shows up and likewise skip through most of the human stuff afterwards. I doubt the other movie-goers would appreciate that, heh!

If you can find Skyline for free at the library or as a corner store rental for $2 TOPS, it’s worth a look. The ending alone is worth $2. You might even get off on it if you’re fond of Euro-styled comics stories like ‘Den’. Ditto Avatar…worth a look, but only if it’s free (a library will have it). Best for several really well directed and edited action sequences involving menacing critters and one humungous tree, and a nice soundtrack. And the military stuff might please you if you’re a big fan of the Colonial Marines from the Aliens franchise…it’s pretty much a repeat. Story and character-wise, though, it’s strictly young adult level, no matter what rating they slapped on it, and I found it quite reminiscent of the Dinotopia franchise, has a lot of the same themes, is very predictable, has a childish take on things, etc… If you do ever try Avatar, try not to think too much as you watch it…I’m serious. It’ll fall apart if you try and put an adult spin on it and might even offend you (*koff*MightyWhitey*koff*).

MINDVVIPE: ‘…I’m urging people to demand more from their movie experience.’ … Y’know, I do feel for you and that request and even somewhat agree, I really do. But here’s the reality, based on my life’s experiences:

MOST PEOPLE don’t think.

MOST PEOPLE have no imaginations.

MOST PEOPLE go to movies to be entertained ONLY. They don’t go to be inspired. They don’t go to be educated.

When it comes to being entertained, MANY PEOPLE are like dogs that are heavily into retrieving games. You know the sort of dogs I mean. They’re the ones that will fetch for you over and over and OVER again and they never lose their enthusiasm for it or get bored with the game even though they’re fetching the exact same thing every frickin’ time.

Enough said. Draw your own conclusions.

Biddybot wrote:MOST PEOPLE don’t think.

Thanks

MOST PEOPLE have no imaginations.

Thanks

MOST PEOPLE go to movies to be entertained ONLY.

Yeah, damn me for wanting an escape from reality for a few hours, damn me for wanting to kick back and relax and be entertained.

They don’t go to be inspired.

Yeah, damn me for not being inspired by a fictional character in a movie. I'll give up being inspired by people who achieve things in the real world, people who work tirelessly in charities, scientists who work to cure diseases, carers who look after the sick and the frail. Damn me!

They don’t go to be educated.

Yeah, damn me for going to school for so many years and not learning everything I could from movies!

Enough said. Draw your own conclusions.

Did I do good? Can I have a Scooby Snack now?

Burn wrote:

Biddybot wrote:MOST PEOPLE don’t think.

Thanks

MOST PEOPLE have no imaginations.

Thanks

MOST PEOPLE go to movies to be entertained ONLY.

Yeah, damn me for wanting an escape from reality for a few hours, damn me for wanting to kick back and relax and be entertained.

They don’t go to be inspired.

Yeah, damn me for not being inspired by a fictional character in a movie. I'll give up being inspired by people who achieve things in the real world, people who work tirelessly in charities, scientists who work to cure diseases, carers who look after the sick and the frail. Damn me!

They don’t go to be educated.

Yeah, damn me for going to school for so many years and not learning everything I could from movies!

Enough said. Draw your own conclusions.

Did I do good? Can I have a Scooby Snack now?

I think you're misunderstanding what he says, Burn. Don't take it so personally, as I can understand why a TF fan would like the movie, but hes speaking about the average random person who doesn't know anything about TFs, or even sci fi for that matter. I agree with him, and if you apply every one of those conditions to a TF movie, Hell, it would have ruled. Worked for the Dark Knight, no?

Every time a movie piece gets FP'd we get the same arguments.
Every. Single. Time.

I don't even know what makes me even want to read the comments on these threads anymore. Probably morbid curiosity.


I just don't get the vitriol. Even if you hate the movie, surely it's a good thing that HasTakTom is making money? The cash flow that the films (and the swarms f 'bees on the shelves) generate for them allows them to continue making more risky collector-focused items like the CHUG toys or the masterpiece line (for all the GWunners out there.)

Just sayin', Hasbro is making money. This is a good thing.

Biddybot wrote:Oh, and good for DOTM for breaking its billion cherry--yay!

Incredibly crass and tasteless. Strike one.

Biddybot wrote:Rodimus Prime: The only way I’d see DOTM in the theatre again is if I could magically fast-forward the movie to where Sentinel Prime shows up and likewise skip through most of the human stuff afterwards. I doubt the other movie-goers would appreciate that, heh!

Ah, one of those, I see. I did that for the first film, wouldn't do it for ROTF or DOTM.

Biddybot wrote:If you can find Skyline for free at the library or as a corner store rental for $2 TOPS, it’s worth a look. The ending alone is worth $2. You might even get off on it if you’re fond of Euro-styled comics stories like ‘Den’. Ditto Avatar…worth a look, but only if it’s free (a library will have it). Best for several really well directed and edited action sequences involving menacing critters and one humungous tree, and a nice soundtrack. And the military stuff might please you if you’re a big fan of the Colonial Marines from the Aliens franchise…it’s pretty much a repeat. Story and character-wise, though, it’s strictly young adult level, no matter what rating they slapped on it, and I found it quite reminiscent of the Dinotopia franchise, has a lot of the same themes, is very predictable, has a childish take on things, etc… If you do ever try Avatar, try not to think too much as you watch it…I’m serious. It’ll fall apart if you try and put an adult spin on it and might even offend you (*koff*MightyWhitey*koff*)

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Skyline was awful. Avatar was awful (minus the visuals.) I wouldn't recommend either one.

Biddybot wrote:MOST PEOPLE don’t think.

Oh, they don't do they? Wow. Plenty of people all over the world would love to have a nice chat with you. Don't be surprised if it involves brass knuckles and a trip to the ICU. Don't insult the intelligence of others, and get that chip off your shoulder.

Strike two.

Biddybot wrote:MOST PEOPLE have no imaginations.

Wow. You're really going out of your way to be rude and offensive, aren't ya? Want a medal or something?

Strike three. You're already out, in my book, but we'll go ahead and continue.

Biddybot wrote:MOST PEOPLE go to movies to be entertained ONLY. They don’t go to be inspired. They don’t go to be educated.

Absolutely incorrect. People go for many reasons, some for escapist entertainment, I don't deny that. However, these movies might inspire a teenager or a child to become a filmmaker one day. Or become a star because their favorite heroes were in a movie once.

Your sense of wonder might have gone down the drain, but not everyone else's. It really sickens me when you speak for others.

Strike four.

Biddybot wrote:When it comes to being entertained, MANY PEOPLE are like dogs that are heavily into retrieving games. You know the sort of dogs I mean. They’re the ones that will fetch for you over and over and OVER again and they never lose their enthusiasm for it or get bored with the game even though they’re fetching the exact same thing every frickin’ time.

Enough said. Draw your own conclusions.

...dogs? You are comparing us to dogs? You are unbelievably trolltastic. It's amazing that your post has stood this long. It's so inflammatory, you can see the smoke from space!

Enough said? No. You've said more than enough. And I will draw my own conclusion, thank you. I conclude you shall go on my ignore list. Cuz...damn. *shakes head*

The Movie series is far from perfect. Imho, only the first would be worth the time watching. Never really liked it, BUT as a whole, it gave TF a mainstream appeal. Mainstream appeal whose repercussions for us, the original fans is more than just bright.

So long as Hasbro doesn't milk the franchise too much to the point of shooting itself in the foot.

Now, despite the sagging world economy, there may be hope for more product releases (RTS Windcharger not withstanding)if not, re-issues of sure fire hits of figures from all the generation spectrum (though I'd leave the ball to Takara in that regard).

Whoa, everybody, relax a bit. Not necessary to take comments so seriously. Biddybot did say

based on my life experiences

Who knows, maybe she's around stupid people a lot...

Biddybot wrote:Rodimus Prime: The only way I’d see DOTM in the theatre again is if I could magically fast-forward the movie to where Sentinel Prime shows up and likewise skip through most of the human stuff afterwards. I doubt the other movie-goers would appreciate that, heh!

I do that with RotF. I watch the beginning and the Shanghai sequence, skip to the forest fight, and then to the end. The rest is garbage, saw it enough times to remember it. However, with DotM the only thing I find unacceptable is the mistreatment of Shockwave and Megatron. Other than that, DotM is a damn good movie.

If you can find Skyline for free at the library or as a corner store rental for $2 TOPS, it’s worth a look. The ending alone is worth $2. You might even get off on it if you’re fond of Euro-styled comics stories like ‘Den’. Ditto Avatar…worth a look, but only if it’s free (a library will have it). Best for several really well directed and edited action sequences involving menacing critters and one humungous tree, and a nice soundtrack. And the military stuff might please you if you’re a big fan of the Colonial Marines from the Aliens franchise…it’s pretty much a repeat. Story and character-wise, though, it’s strictly young adult level, no matter what rating they slapped on it, and I found it quite reminiscent of the Dinotopia franchise, has a lot of the same themes, is very predictable, has a childish take on things, etc… If you do ever try Avatar, try not to think too much as you watch it…I’m serious. It’ll fall apart if you try and put an adult spin on it and might even offend you (*koff*MightyWhitey*koff*).

Skyline is on instant play on netflix, I'll probably watch it on that. And nothing I've read here makes me want to see Avatar any faster, so pass.

Capt.Failure wrote:

Treetop Maximus wrote:Avatar at #1? My faith in humanity is practically non-existent at this point.

Skyline earned enough money to warrent a sequel, so I lost my faith in humanity way earlier.

That movie doesn't deserve to exist.

Biddybot wrote:Rodimus Prime:
MINDVVIPE: ‘…I’m urging people to demand more from their movie experience.’ … Y’know, I do feel for you and that request and even somewhat agree, I really do. But here’s the reality, based on my life’s experiences:

MOST PEOPLE don’t think.



MOST PEOPLE have no imaginations.

MOST PEOPLE go to movies to be entertained ONLY. They don’t go to be inspired. They don’t go to be educated.

When it comes to being entertained, MANY PEOPLE are like dogs that are heavily into retrieving games. You know the sort of dogs I mean. They’re the ones that will fetch for you over and over and OVER again and they never lose their enthusiasm for it or get bored with the game even though they’re fetching the exact same thing every frickin’ time.

Enough said. Draw your own conclusions.

WOW. who pissed in your coffee? Seriously, some of the posts on here are so... pointless and rude.
That being said, i hope DOTM beats the crap out of Hp7! i havn't seen hp7, but i read the book so what's the point. I in fact LOVED DOTM, i think it had a great storyline, and you can connect all three movie storylines together and it makes sense.

RogueDeathangel wrote:Every time a movie piece gets FP'd we get the same arguments.
Every. Single. Time.

I don't even know what makes me even want to read the comments on these threads anymore. Probably morbid curiosity.


I just don't get the vitriol. Even if you hate the movie, surely it's a good thing that HasTakTom is making money? The cash flow that the films (and the swarms f 'bees on the shelves) generate for them allows them to continue making more risky collector-focused items like the CHUG toys or the masterpiece line (for all the GWunners out there.)

Just sayin', Hasbro is making money. This is a good thing.

I'll give you that. Its a good thing that Hasbro is getting attention and in turn making more money to make cool figures. Though, one can make the arguement that they don't necessarily need the attention to sell figures since the moment they make figures like Generations Jazz and RTS Lugnut, those figures are virtually impossible to find in some places since Fans of G1, or Animated, have already swooped in and bought them ALL up. Yet, you can go to the store and find many DOTM figures lying around that are shelf warmers. Please reply, anyone, as I'd love to keep this discussion going, and find out just exactly how much of a difference the movies are making in the positive, and the negative.

(This is a forum, after all, so discussion on such a thing should be encouraged, but only in a civil dialogue )

MINDVVIPE wrote:

RogueDeathangel wrote:Every time a movie piece gets FP'd we get the same arguments.
Every. Single. Time.
Just sayin', Hasbro is making money. This is a good thing.

(This is a forum, after all, so discussion on such a thing should be encouraged, but only in a civil dialogue )

^this. i thought bullying was what they did on tfw2005
^^and also this. I mostly collect the movie lines, so i dont often look at the generations or classics, but i can tell you that at my walmart, there are rarely more than 4-5 figures out. and most are usually cliffjumper. then, theres five endcaps full of dotm. I think that this is good. the money from dotm line is used to design and sell the classics and generations lines.

Rodimus Prime wrote:Skyline is on instant play on netflix, I'll probably watch it on that. And nothing I've read here makes me want to see Avatar any faster, so pass.

Skyline has approximately one good scene in it's entire hour and fourty minute runtime, and that's when the stealth bombers with predator drone support dogfight with the aliens in a desperate attempt to hit the mothership with a nuke. It's the only good scene because that plucky stealth bomber pilot was the ONLY CHARACTER IN THE WHOLE DAMN FILM that's likeable, and who you want to cheer for. Says alot when the main cast is crappy enough that a character who's face you don't even see who's only in the film for four minutes is the best character.

RogueDeathangel wrote:Every time a movie piece gets FP'd we get the same arguments.
Every. Single. Time.
Just sayin', Hasbro is making money. This is a good thing.

You see people complaining about the film's success due to the misguided and childish belief that somehow this success "poisons" the Transformers franchise. Usually it's change or extra-fanbase popularity these people fear, when they don't stop to realize these are the things that keep a beloved series long running. Namely fresh ideas, new fans, and income for the creators. We saw what stagnation can do before Beast Wars and during the Unicron Trilogy, and it almost ended Transformers each time.

Capt.Failure wrote:You see people complaining about the film's success due to the misguided and childish belief that somehow this success "poisons" the Transformers franchise. Usually it's change or extra-fanbase popularity these people fear, when they don't stop to realize these are the things that keep a beloved series long running. Namely fresh ideas, new fans, and income for the creators. We saw what stagnation can do before Beast Wars and during the Unicron Trilogy, and it almost ended Transformers each time.

To address that point in my own opinion; The popularity of the movies, in my eyes, is a bad things only because it gives people the wrong impression of what Transformers is. Money... and a money making franchise. OKAY. It is, being a franchise, but the movies ONLY show that, and not the characters in the robots, and the crazy sci fi lore that is the Transformers. For example, the movie approaches the subject matter like this. The movie is called "The Transformers". The protagonist is: "A human boy ascending to manhood". That bothers me hehe. But it is the movie marketing that takes this approach to ensure people even bother to watch it in the first place. Seems like the low road, even for a target audience composed of children. Kids will tell you they like robots more than whiney boys
To make my point more clear, the new movies seem like the recent Star Wars Trilogy, and the old Transformers animated movie is the original Star Wars trilogy.

I've spoken to non-TF fans who have gone and seen all three movies.

You know what they said about DOTM? They cried or were shocked when Ironhide died. They got worried when it looked like Bumblebee was going to be executed.

They spoke about the different characters ... so obviously, to a non-TF movie going fan (aka the ones who helped push DOTM over a billion), there was enough character development.

Maybe instead of being a over-the-top loyal fanboy, people should take a step back and look at it from a non-fan perspective. Maybe then they'll see the movies in a different light.

Or just go to your nearest art house theatre and be "educated and elightened" that way. Whatever works for those who are clearly better than me.

Burn wrote:I've spoken to non-TF fans who have gone and seen all three movies.

You know what they said about DOTM? They cried or were shocked when Ironhide died. They got worried when it looked like Bumblebee was going to be executed.

They spoke about the different characters ... so obviously, to a non-TF movie going fan (aka the ones who helped push DOTM over a billion), there was enough character development.

Maybe instead of being a over-the-top loyal fanboy, people should take a step back and look at it from a non-fan perspective. Maybe then they'll see the movies in a different light.

Or just go to your nearest art house theatre and be "educated and elightened" that way. Whatever works for those who are clearly better than me.

Haha, okay okay, Burn, don't need to get so offended. I understand what your saying, as my bro and sis pretty much felt the exact same way you said some non TF fans felt. They're not uneducated people either. And maybe you are right. Maybe I am overly loyal to the Transformers from their heyday. But I can tell you that I will NEVER be able to take a step back, nor do I want to, from the TF fan I am, and the Sci fi fan that I am, because I have my standards, and others have theirs. To me, the movies will always be more about a money grab than the lore itself. I don't think Spielberg thought to himself, "I got a GREAT Transformers story in mind" but rather "I got a GREAT way to make money with an old franchise".

Autobot032 wrote:Skyline was awful. Avatar was awful (minus the visuals.) I wouldn't recommend either one.

May I ask what you thought was so bad about Avatar, and what about DOTM made it better than Avatar? If that is what you think. Feel free to turn that question back on me.

That's good

MINDVVIPE wrote:To me, the movies will always be more about a money grab than the lore itself.

Well duh.

It's sad when Alice in Wonderland ranks higher than Dark Knight.

Burn wrote:

MINDVVIPE wrote:To me, the movies will always be more about a money grab than the lore itself.

Well duh.

Since this isn't blatantly apparent in any of the other Transformers fictions I've read/seen/played (WFC), I felt it needed emphasis. Glad to see you were already aware of it's exception.

See, the last page and a half of this thread is what the movie threads should be more like. Again, just sayin'.

I like the movies for trying something different with the franchise. I mean, it's the first time in... the entire history of the franchise that anyone's attempted to make a pure spectacle out of our beloved giant robots. Never before have we seen "realistic" transformers involved in such action sequences. It reminds me somewhat of films like The Transporter or Crank, where the entire goal of the film is the action sequences. It's a refreshing take on the media and, even just from a technical standpoint, one heck of an achievement.

Due to the pre-existing business model that Transformers has stuck to pretty dang rigidly since it's debut the accompanying fiction has always been about selling toys with the success of the media being a secondary (most likely tertiary) concern at best. Previously the media never really had to succeed on it's own (in a monetary fashion) because the aim was to recoup that money through toy sales, but with the recent movies they absolutely HAD to make them financially viable because, well, Transformers toys were never going to balance out a $250 million movie budget (let alone turn a profit!)

And, in that sense, they have absolutely succeeded. I mean, if there were no accompanying toyline Paramount would absolutely make more movies regardless. This film made a billion dollars. They'd be stupid not to.


Now, as for whether the movie line of toys is good for Hasbro or not, well, I can see your point. It does seem like CHUG toys sell better than movie toys but, by all reports that I've heard, this is because stores order less CHUG toys and more movie toys. Not because the stores have any bias, to them all of the toys are just transformers toys (I sincerely doubt most store/section managers actually pay attention to the difference in aesthetic) but because the toys sell more when a movie comes out and they sell less when there is not a new movie out. I'm sure Hasbro (and when I say Hasbro I mean HasTakTom) could sneak a few CHUG-styled toys into the movie line (ala RTS and the Marvel 3.5inch movie figures, which often have comic-styled figures included too) but I think they prefer keeping a more unified aesthetic to their various lines. So, while it may seem that Movie toys linger on shelves they may in fact be shifting at a higher rate than the CHUG toys, but simply get restocked faster as they have plenty of them in the stock room.


Wow. I wrote a lot. And apparently I really love italics.

RogueDeathangel wrote:See, the last page and a half of this thread is what the movie threads should be more like. Again, just sayin'.

I like the movies for trying something different with the franchise. I mean, it's the first time in... the entire history of the franchise that anyone's attempted to make a pure spectacle out of our beloved giant robots. Never before have we seen "realistic" transformers involved in such action sequences. It reminds me somewhat of films like The Transporter or Crank, where the entire goal of the film is the action sequences. It's a refreshing take on the media and, even just from a technical standpoint, one heck of an achievement.

Due to the pre-existing business model that Transformers has stuck to pretty dang rigidly since it's debut the accompanying fiction has always been about selling toys with the success of the media being a secondary (most likely tertiary) concern at best. Previously the media never really had to succeed on it's own (in a monetary fashion) because the aim was to recoup that money through toy sales, but with the recent movies they absolutely HAD to make them financially viable because, well, Transformers toys were never going to balance out a $250 million movie budget (let alone turn a profit!)

And, in that sense, they have absolutely succeeded. I mean, if there were no accompanying toyline Paramount would absolutely make more movies regardless. This film made a billion dollars. They'd be stupid not to.


Now, as for whether the movie line of toys is good for Hasbro or not, well, I can see your point. It does seem like CHUG toys sell better than movie toys but, by all reports that I've heard, this is because stores order less CHUG toys and more movie toys. Not because the stores have any bias, to them all of the toys are just transformers toys (I sincerely doubt most store/section managers actually pay attention to the difference in aesthetic) but because the toys sell more when a movie comes out and they sell less when there is not a new movie out. I'm sure Hasbro (and when I say Hasbro I mean HasTakTom) could sneak a few CHUG-styled toys into the movie line (ala RTS and the Marvel 3.5inch movie figures, which often have comic-styled figures included too) but I think they prefer keeping a more unified aesthetic to their various lines. So, while it may seem that Movie toys linger on shelves they may in fact be shifting at a higher rate than the CHUG toys, but simply get restocked faster as they have plenty of them in the stock room.


Wow. I wrote a lot. And apparently I really love italics.

Good points, that makes a lot of sense. Hasbro probably makes even less of the CHUG figures than the movie figures due to this. Bah!
I think this also brings up the problem that when a movie franchise becomes too prosperous, it leads them to financial freedom from the core elements. The movie was bound to do so well on the visuals alone, all spaced up by scenes of human interaction that please the average movie goer, and distance itself from the Transformers themselves. Without the need to sell the toys to sustain the movie, it didn't need to create characters that were deep or unique, or have a lot of screen time(likewise for the story). Optimus Prime and Bumblebee are obviously the exception, but they also make my point as nothing daring was done with them in the movies. Optimus was the saviour of mankind as always, and bumblebee was herbie.