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Re: Dark Of The Moon Passes $1 Billion in Box Office Receipts

Postby MINDVVIPE » Tue Aug 16, 2011 8:43 pm

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MINDVVIPE wrote: leaving out story (which should be in every movie, or it shouldn't be made into a movie).




I actually take umbridge with this statement.

I think most people are sort-of... conditioned into believing that a film HAS to have a story for it to be any good but that just simply isn't true. As a medium cinema can be anything committed to screen. You don't need emotional connection to what you see on screen. You don't even need plot or action or development of any kind. This side of cinema is usually only explored in "arthouse" films (another term I hate) but there is absolutely no reason that those same principles cannot be applied to any other "genre" of film. (I also hate the word genre, but it's just easier to use it than to have to explain any of the alternatives.)

No-one complains when an Opera or piece of painted artwork is about the sheer spectacle of it or when ballet is about the poetry of motion so why not apply those same rules to action movies? I'm not saying that every movie should do that I'm just saying that you can't consider a film to be somehow deficient just because it doesn't fit the conventions that are established by its peers.


I'm also aware that Bay et al. are absolutely NOT intending the film to be taken this way, however that's an argument of authorial intent vs. reader analysis. Which, y'know, is an argument that's been raging for as long as there have been authors. ;)


Obviously, just my opinion. (If the internet was a perfect place I probably wouldn't have to remind people of that :lol: )


I fully comprehend what you're saying, and agree. Maybe DOTM will be watched in museums in the future as a pioneering style of movie, who knows (glad i'll be dead by then :P :lol: ). But fair enough; it is a piece of art, after all, and can be interpreted in a myriad of different ways by those willing to make the effort. I guess I just love good stories in movies, and was hoping to get my fill alongside the crazy visuals in the TF universe. Please don't take offense as I was referring to mainstream films, and that story is vital in this medium for it to be good... imo. Sci-fi makes story even more important to me, since it needs to make sense amongst the bizzare setting.
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Re: Dark Of The Moon Passes $1 Billion in Box Office Receipts

Postby Burn » Tue Aug 16, 2011 10:06 pm

**** interpretations, I just go to the movies to be entertained and take a short break from reality.

But hey, that's just me ... good ol poorly-educated-has-no-class Burn.
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Re: Dark Of The Moon Passes $1 Billion in Box Office Receipts

Postby OptiMagnus » Tue Aug 16, 2011 10:14 pm

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Burn wrote:**** interpretations, I just go to the movies to be entertained and take a short break from reality.

But hey, that's just me ... good ol poorly-educated-has-no-class Burn.

Wow...you too? And I thought I was the only poorly-educated-has-no-class-low standards-ignorant member here after reading through this thread. Apparently I lowered my standards quite a lot to go to the theater to be entertained. I should stop this horrid habit of enjoying films.

But I'm shocked- pleasantly surprised- to see this. I'm glad Transformers has possibly made a permanent mark in Hollywood history.
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Re: Dark Of The Moon Passes $1 Billion in Box Office Receipts

Postby Capt.Failure » Tue Aug 16, 2011 10:53 pm

Burn wrote:**** interpretations, I just go to the movies to be entertained and take a short break from reality.

But hey, that's just me ... good ol poorly-educated-has-no-class Burn.


Awww...don't worry. I still like ya, Burn. :D
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Re: Dark Of The Moon Passes $1 Billion in Box Office Receipts

Postby ROTFarcee » Tue Aug 16, 2011 11:03 pm

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Ok. Since so many of you claim that DOTM has no story or emotion, i will now write it down. You can then deterimine for yourself whether or not it has no story to it. (if you haven't seen the movie (if so why are you reading this thread) then do not continue. i stole this from wiki. :roll:

In 1961, the Ark, a Cybertronian spacecraft carrying an invention capable of ending the war between the Autobots and Decepticons, crash lands on the far side of Earth's Moon. The crash is detected on Earth by NASA, and President John F. Kennedy authorizes a mission to put a man on the Moon as a cover for investigating the craft. In 1969, the crew of Apollo 11 lands on the Moon to explore the craft.
In the present, the Autobots assist the United States military in preventing conflicts around the globe. During a mission to Chernobyl to investigate suspected alien technology, Optimus Prime finds a fuel cell from the Ark, discovering it had survived its journey from Cybertron. The Autobots are attacked by Shockwave who manages to escape. After learning of the top-secret mission to the Moon, the Autobots travel there to explore the Ark. There they discover a comatose Sentinel Prime – Optimus' predecessor as leader of the Autobots – and his creation, the Pillars, a means of establishing a Space Bridge between two points to teleport matter. After returning to Earth, Optimus uses the energy of his Matrix of Leadership to revive Sentinel Prime.
Meanwhile, Sam Witwicky is frustrated that he is unable to work with the Autobots and failing to find a job. He also becomes envious of the close relationship between his new girlfriend, Carly Spencer, and her boss Dylan Gould. After finding work, Sam is provided information by his eccentric co-worker Jerry Wang about the Ark, before Jerry is assassinated by Laserbeak – a condor-like Decepticon. Sam contacts the now-independently wealthy Seymour Simmons, and together they realize that Megatron and the Decepticons are murdering people connected to the American and Russian space missions to the Ark. They locate two surviving Russian cosmonauts who reveal satellite photos of hundreds of Pillars being stockpiled on the Moon. Sam realizes that the Decepticons raided the Ark long before the Autobots mission and intentionally left Sentinel and five Pillars behind to lure the Autobots into a trap – Sentinel being the key to activating the Pillars and the Decepticons lacking the means to revive him. The Autobots rush to return Sentinel to their base for protection but Sentinel betrays them and kills Ironhide, revealing he had made a deal with Megatron to ensure the survival of the Cybertronian race.
Sentinel uses the Pillars to transport hundreds of concealed Decepticons from the Moon to Earth and Carly is captured by Gould, who is revealed to be in the service of the Decepticons. The Autobots are exiled from Earth at the demand of the Decepticons to avoid war but as their ship leaves Earth it is destroyed by Starscream, seemingly killing the Autobots. The Decepticons, led by Megatron and Sentinel, seize Chicago as their agents place Pillars around the world. Gould reveals to Carly that the Decepticons plan to transport their homeworld of Cybertron to the Milky Way, then to enslave Humanity and use the resources of the Earth to rebuild their world. Sam teams with Robert Epps to go into Chicago to save Carly, but they are nearly killed by Decepticon forces before the Autobots intervene; revealing they concealed themselves during the launch of their ship to convince the Decepticons they were destroyed.
Working together, the Autobots and Human soldiers manage to rescue Carly and destroy Soundwave, Barricade, Starscream and Shockwave, with Optimus using Shockwave's arm-cannon to blast the Control Pillar, disabling the Space Bridge. Sam confronts Gould as he reactivates the Control Pillar. After a brief fistfight, Sam knocks Gould into the Pillar, electrocuting him. Bumblebee and Ratchet arrive and destroy the Control Pillar, permanently disabling the Bridge and causing the partially transported Cybertron to implode. Optimus and Sentinel fight while Carly convinces Megatron that he will be replaced as leader of the Decepticons by Sentinel. Sentinel severs Optimus's right arm and prepares to execute him when Megatron intervenes, incapacitating Sentinel. Optimus attacks Megatron, decapitating and killing him. Sentinel pleads for his life but Optimus executes him for betraying his own principles. With the Decepticons defeated, Carly and Sam are reunited and the Autobots accept that with Cybertron gone, Earth is now their home.

So, if you still claim that dotm doesn't have much of a storyline, link all three movie plots together. The first movie plot: Megatron is trying to use the allspark to transform earths machines to rule the universe. megatron knew about the deal w/ sentinel at this point. he wanted to make new robots to fill the revived planet with life. so after he created new robots, he could use the allspark to revive sentinel and give cybertron life. but after the allspark is destroyed, and the only remaining shard used to revive himself, he needs the legendary matrix, so with help from his mentor the fallen, megatron uses sams mind to try and get the matrix and use the sun harvestor to create energon needed for cybertron. But, the autobots win, and have the matrix of leadership, and megatron is very weak so he hides in the desert while he has lazerbeak feed information to them to get the autobots to fall into his trap and revive sentinel. Because he has no robots made from earths machines, megatron wants to use humans slaves to rebuild cybertron. so, basically its one big three-movie plot.
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Re: Dark Of The Moon Passes $1 Billion in Box Office Receipts

Postby MINDVVIPE » Tue Aug 16, 2011 11:49 pm

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ROTFarcee wrote:Ok.

I've seen all of them. I'm saying it doesn't have story as an exageration of how bad the story is, how badly it is told, and ultimately how nonsensical it is within it's own context.
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Re: Dark Of The Moon Passes $1 Billion in Box Office Receipts

Postby RogueDeathangel » Wed Aug 17, 2011 4:37 am

Burn wrote:**** interpretations, I just go to the movies to be entertained and take a short break from reality.

But hey, that's just me ... good ol poorly-educated-has-no-class Burn.


To be honest I'm pretty much the same. Watched Resident Evil: Afterlife last night and LOVED it. I guess I just like using the film-student part of my brain to construct pretty well reasoned arguments for why I enjoy those kinds of films.

It comes in handy. When you can write a thousand words of bull**** on why DOTM was a "cinematic masterpiece" it makes it a lot easier to write thousands of words on Nightmail.
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Re: Dark Of The Moon Passes $1 Billion in Box Office Receipts

Postby Autobot032 » Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:33 am

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I find the arguments to be getting ridiculous. They were silly before, but they're getting STUPID now.

ROTF: Sam's Mom eats "Hawaiian Green" brownies, goes on a goofy rampage.
Fans: "OMG. Don't the filmmakers know that weed doesn't make you do that when you're stoned? GAAAAWWWWWD, LYKE THERE SOOO STUPID, I HATE THEY'RE STUPID FACES N' STUFF." (incorrect grammar intended, back off Nazis!)

My first thought when that stupid debacle came to light? "It's a movie about giant alien robots on the run from their version of Satan who just so happens to have a death ray hidden in the pyramids, and you're complaining about the validity of her weed high?"

That should've been my first clue this entire thing would make me want to pull my hair out. Now I see the arguments and stupidity and it makes me want to scream.

Fandoms? They can suck it. Just make sure the engine is running, and take a good, deep breath.
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Re: Dark Of The Moon Passes $1 Billion in Box Office Receipts

Postby ROTFarcee » Wed Aug 17, 2011 11:42 am

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ROTFarcee wrote:Ok.

I've seen all of them. I'm saying it doesn't have story as an exageration of how bad the story is, how badly it is told, and ultimately how nonsensical it is within it's own context.


By those terms, basically every movie 'has no story.' And the original transformers movie from the eighties didn't have much more of a story anyways. pretty much the same thing. robots fighting to save the earth, giant evil robots, death, resurrection.
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Re: Dark Of The Moon Passes $1 Billion in Box Office Receipts

Postby MINDVVIPE » Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:21 pm

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MINDVVIPE wrote:
ROTFarcee wrote:Ok.

I've seen all of them. I'm saying it doesn't have story as an exageration of how bad the story is, how badly it is told, and ultimately how nonsensical it is within it's own context.


By those terms, basically every movie 'has no story.' And the original transformers movie from the eighties didn't have much more of a story anyways. pretty much the same thing. robots fighting to save the earth, giant evil robots, death, resurrection.


Seriously?
Blade: The movie focuses on blade. The story is Blade coming to terms with himself, overcoming his guilt, and killing the big bad guy.
The Matrix: The movie focuses on Neo, overcoming his sense of obscurity and realizing he is something more.
Akira: The movie focuses on Tetsuo, and his rage coupled with bad timing, and turning into more than he wanted to become, and ultimately killing the ones he cared about.
The animated Transformers movie: The movie focuses on Optimus, Hotrod, Megatron/Galvatron, Unicron. NOT spike witwicky. The focus is on the autobots, overcoming unbeatable odds, making new friends, and finding hope. It also adds to the lore with Unicron, the Matrix, and the continuation of Primes. Don't even BEGIN to compare this movie with the new movies, as it has done way more for the lore than the live action movies have.

Then we have the movie transformers:
Focus on a human's life. Focus on his love story. When Sam enteres the city to fight, it focuses on him, and his band of gi joes instead of the bots who also go in, and suddenly end up in the custody of Soundwave. Roadbuster and Leadfoot do next to thing before dropping off the 2 moron bots who somehow manage to do most of the work of taking down the enemy ships. Its the ewoks all over again. Shockwave could have not even been in this movie, and it would have made no difference. To help you understand what exactly about the story sucked is hard for me to remember in details having watched the movie once a while ago, but the first half of the movie, albeit lacking Transformers, isn't bad story. Its the later half that is terrible, and especially the end, since it seemed like everything needed to be tied up so the movie can end. Things like using human labour to rebuild cybertron :BANG_HEAD: , or why Megatron even tries to intervene before Optimus dies when he could have waited till it was just Sentinel prime left, or how prime is able to even kill both of them so easily after being damaged. Then, how come Gauld knew how to turn on the pillar, half the time Sentinel was the only one who could do it without even making physical contact with them. Somehow the Decepticons seem incredibly weak as Soundwave is overcome by Bumblebee? Uh huh... okay. Shockwave dies incredibly easily as well. It is all so formulated in that things are bad all over the place, and then suddenly, things start looking up at the same time.

For those of you bringing up points like the weed brownies, those reasons really pale in comparison to the glaring plot holes that are integral to the entire story of the movie, aside from the lack of focus on the Transformers themselves.
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Re: Dark Of The Moon Passes $1 Billion in Box Office Receipts

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MINDVVIPE wrote:For those of you bringing up points like the weed brownies, those reasons really pale in comparison to the glaring plot holes that are integral to the entire story of the movie, aside from the lack of focus on the Transformers themselves.


Yes. Glaring plot holes like the mysterious absence of the twins in DOTM. :roll:
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Re: Dark Of The Moon Passes $1 Billion in Box Office Receipts

Postby MINDVVIPE » Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:42 pm

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For those of you bringing up points like the weed brownies, those reasons really pale in comparison to the glaring plot holes that are integral to the entire story of the movie, aside from the lack of focus on the Transformers themselves.[/quote]

Yes. Glaring plot holes like the mysterious absence of the twins in DOTM. :roll:[/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote]

hehe, yea, thats another sign of the movies being a slave of marketing. As soon as somthing is seen as being aweful by the majority, they drop it, coz after all, the subject matter doesn't matter. What matters is that this next movie is a monetary success. Even G1 season 3 kept wheelie despite how much people didn't like him, hehe.

Aaaanyway, I've said what I wanted to say, and hopefully made my point clear enough for people to understand what my opinion consists of. I didn't mean to offend anyone, and I'm sorry for bumming you guys out.
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So I started watching Skyline yesterday. Made it to 15 minutes and 24 seconds. F**king horrible.
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I only saw the ending. I loved it.
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Re: Dark Of The Moon Passes $1 Billion in Box Office Receipts

Postby MINDVVIPE » Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:52 pm

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Rodimus Prime wrote:So I started watching Skyline yesterday. Made it to 15 minutes and 24 seconds. F**king horrible.


I only saw the ending. I loved it.


My bro who has seen it said he liked the way it began, but really disliked it halfway through to the end. Sounds like a wierd movie.
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Rodimus Prime wrote:So I started watching Skyline yesterday. Made it to 15 minutes and 24 seconds. F**king horrible.


I only saw the ending. I loved it.


My bro who has seen it said he liked the way it began, but really disliked it halfway through to the end. Sounds like a wierd movie.


They REALLY set it up for a sequel in the end. I liked it because all the main humans died and they aliens where eating people's brains! Then the only surviving main character turns into one of them! I think that if there's a sequel, he'll turn against the others. Really, there's no other way.
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Postby MINDVVIPE » Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:57 pm

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Rodimus Prime wrote:So I started watching Skyline yesterday. Made it to 15 minutes and 24 seconds. F**king horrible.


I only saw the ending. I loved it.


My bro who has seen it said he liked the way it began, but really disliked it halfway through to the end. Sounds like a wierd movie.


They REALLY set it up for a sequel in the end. I liked it because all the main humans died and they aliens where eating people's brains! Then the only surviving main character turns into one of them! I think that if there's a sequel, he'll turn against the others. Really, there's no other way.


Sounds like a good premise for a game, actually. Getting to play as a half alien guy using alien tech to kill aliens... kinda like how District 9 should have a game, hehe.
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Postby Burn » Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:07 pm

District 9 is a fucking awesome movie.

And i've said it before and i'll say it again. Gabriel. I dare you people to watch it.
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Re: Dark Of The Moon Passes $1 Billion in Box Office Receipts

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Rodimus Prime wrote:So I started watching Skyline yesterday. Made it to 15 minutes and 24 seconds. F**king horrible.


I only saw the ending. I loved it.


My bro who has seen it said he liked the way it began, but really disliked it halfway through to the end. Sounds like a wierd movie.


They REALLY set it up for a sequel in the end. I liked it because all the main humans died and they aliens where eating people's brains! Then the only surviving main character turns into one of them! I think that if there's a sequel, he'll turn against the others. Really, there's no other way.


Sounds like a good premise for a game, actually. Getting to play as a half alien guy using alien tech to kill aliens... kinda like how District 9 should have a game, hehe.


Play Resistance Fall of Man. That's precisely what that game is.
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Re: Dark Of The Moon Passes $1 Billion in Box Office Receipts

Postby MINDVVIPE » Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:11 pm

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Burn wrote:District 9 is a **** awesome movie.

And i've said it before and i'll say it again. Gabriel. I dare you people to watch it.


*picks up gauntlet* ;)
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SlyTF1 wrote:Play Resistance Fall of Man. That's precisely what that game is.


I have that on my psp, it was pretty fun. I only have an xbox 360 though, and my bro in law doesn't buy fps games for his ps3, so. I'm sure its better than gears of war though :SICK: haha
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MINDVVIPE wrote:*picks up gauntlet* ;)
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May you rip your eyes out and stuff them in your ears to save you from the crap fest that is Gabriel!
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Re: Dark Of The Moon Passes $1 Billion in Box Office Receipts

Postby MINDVVIPE » Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:20 pm

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Burn wrote:
MINDVVIPE wrote:*picks up gauntlet* ;)
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I'd say it was nice knowing you ... but ... i'm not a nice person. Instead I shall offer this.

May you rip your eyes out and stuff them in your ears to save you from the crap fest that is Gabriel!


Jokes on you, I already did that from watching DOTM! OOHH!! and we've come full circle :lol: :P
I'll be sure to let you know what I think after watching. Did you see it intoxicated in any way?
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Re: Dark Of The Moon Passes $1 Billion in Box Office Receipts

Postby Rodimus Prime » Thu Aug 18, 2011 4:01 am

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Any ideas why RotF was almost even in US domestic and foreign totals ($400 mil and $430 mil respectively, IIRC) and DotM is so lopsided (around $350 mil and $735 mil respectively). Was RotF not released in China like DotM was?
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Re: Dark Of The Moon Passes $1 Billion in Box Office Receipts

Postby RogueDeathangel » Thu Aug 18, 2011 4:50 am

Rodimus Prime wrote:Any ideas why RotF was almost even in US domestic and foreign totals ($400 mil and $430 mil respectively, IIRC) and DotM is so lopsided (around $350 mil and $735 mil respectively). Was RotF not released in China like DotM was?



DotM performed better than ROTF in almost every country it was released in (which is roughly about 70 countries.) It all adds up to making it seem disproportionately bigger.
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Re: Dark Of The Moon Passes $1 Billion in Box Office Receipts

Postby Autobot032 » Sat Aug 20, 2011 2:09 pm

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Here's a little something for the critics. http://forum.blu-ray.com/blu-ray-movies ... ost5085233

user named Ford on the Blu-ray.com forums wrote:I think the fact that the movies are based on a toy that is targeted to 8 year olds sort of makes it immune to any criticism. In fact, if a critic even bothers to write anything about these films, he really loses all credibility. They aren't made to win awards, advance the medium (well, except for the special effects department) or spark debate. Sometimes you just do shit for fun.


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