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Re: Deluxe Beast Hunters Smokescreen and Bulkhead.

Postby SKYWARPED_128 » Fri Jan 11, 2013 6:41 am

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SKYWARPED_128 wrote:I'd personally like to see more cohesion between the onscreen designs and the actual toys.


The only characters that haven't gotten "spitting image" toy representations are Knock Out and Airachnid. Otherwise, all the other characters have been represented as accurately as they could be.


Yes, but that's at the cost of using fake kibble. PRID Arcee, Cliffjumper and Ratchet all had fake kibble to make them resemble their CGI designs.

If the concept designers and toy designers actually got together and figured out what works and what doesn't, we'd have more screen-accurate and better looking toys, as the toy designers won't have to worry about being given designs that just can't realistically be made into toys.

I acknowledge that as far as the movies were concerned, the concept designers and toy designers did their own thing separately and we still got relatively accurate toys that didn't rely too much on fake kibble (aside from Sideways). But back then Hasbro designers still had the resources and budget to use more moving parts and more complex designs and transformations to achieve greater accuracy.

Of course, with the right design and the right designer, we can still get gems like PRID Vehicon and Soundwave, but more communication between CGI concept and toy designers can only work for the good of making better TF's.
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Re: Deluxe Beast Hunters Smokescreen and Bulkhead.

Postby jamiko » Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:04 am

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jamiko wrote:WOW! Without all the crap on him Smokescreen looks pretty awesome. Better than the Takara version. I can't believe I just said that.


Do you think you and everyone else have the right to insult Takara just because they made that kind of SS at the time!? NO! AM SS was made because his own toy wasn't made yet. Now that said company made him in the BH toyline, you give all the crappy thanks to the lazy Hasbro!? Unbelievable! :-x :-x

To hell with your propaganda, Hasblow! You can't simply take Takara's like 123! :evil:


This is hardly Hasbro's only victory over Takara. If you'll recall, Hasbro was also the first to release Masterpiece Starscream in the proper colors.


It's cool everyone, we should all just chill. I think both Hasbro and Takara are great. Why? Because they both give us pieces of metal and plastic that transform. I just happen to like the Hasbro version this time. Usually I like the Takara more but, I can't afford the premium import price so I go with Hasbro. Hasbro Smokescreen is a win for me and, all the other poor TF collectors out there.
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Re: Deluxe Beast Hunters Smokescreen and Bulkhead.

Postby gothsaurus » Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:32 am

From what I remember hearing at conventions, it sounds like Takara and Hasbro work hand in hand on the designs... that VERY seldom did one design ANYTHING without the other. (They were so few, they were able to list the rare instances, like Energon Grimlock and Swoop as examples.)

Point being, just because one company decides to RELEASE something first, doesn't mean they designed it... or that it's not coming out over here. Thinking Hasbro designed one Smokescreen and Takara did the other is, frankly, just wrong.

The companies have to look at what's selling well to their demographic, what stores like Wal Mart are interested on making room for on shelves, when new TV shows air, etc. Under all those circumstances sometimes toys come out in Japan first - or here first. (Remember Beast Machines coming out in Japan YEAAAARS later?) Same for looking at how toys are selling to determine when they cut off the line. Sad that some great toys get left out.

But yeah, point being... we have to stop taking jabs at each company, or pitting them against each other like it's some football game - when they're actually working hand in hand as partners.

If anything, hate that our two markets are different. Little USA kids who like bright colors buy most of the toys here - and shoot themselves in the eyes with missiles and drop Fort Max from 5 foot high and break him - while collectors have more of a market in Japan. That dictates these decisions.
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Re: Deluxe Beast Hunters Smokescreen and Bulkhead.

Postby jamiko » Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:59 am

gothsaurus wrote:From what I remember hearing at conventions, it sounds like Takara and Hasbro work hand in hand on the designs... that VERY seldom did one design ANYTHING without the other. (They were so few, they were able to list the rare instances, like Energon Grimlock and Swoop as examples.)

Point being, just because one company decides to RELEASE something first, doesn't mean they designed it... or that it's not coming out over here. Thinking Hasbro designed one Smokescreen and Takara did the other is, frankly, just wrong.

The companies have to look at what's selling well to their demographic, what stores like Wal Mart are interested on making room for on shelves, when new TV shows air, etc. Under all those circumstances sometimes toys come out in Japan first - or here first. (Remember Beast Machines coming out in Japan YEAAAARS later?) Same for looking at how toys are selling to determine when they cut off the line. Sad that some great toys get left out.

But yeah, point being... we have to stop taking jabs at each company, or pitting them against each other like it's some football game - when they're actually working hand in hand as partners.

If anything, hate that our two markets are different. Little USA kids who like bright colors buy most of the toys here - and shoot themselves in the eyes with missiles and drop Fort Max from 5 foot high and break him - while collectors have more of a market in Japan. That dictates these decisions.


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Re: Deluxe Beast Hunters Smokescreen and Bulkhead.

Postby PrymeStriker » Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:22 am

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Hey, guys? We were told to get off that topic. Why are you two bringing it up again?

Autobot032 wrote:Okay. You guys have had your say, please get this topic back on course. We all know where everyone stands on this issue now.


Shall we return to topic?

SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Yes, but that's at the cost of using fake kibble. PRID Arcee, Cliffjumper and Ratchet all had fake kibble to make them resemble their CGI designs.

If the concept designers and toy designers actually got together and figured out what works and what doesn't, we'd have more screen-accurate and better looking toys, as the toy designers won't have to worry about being given designs that just can't realistically be made into toys.

I acknowledge that as far as the movies were concerned, the concept designers and toy designers did their own thing separately and we still got relatively accurate toys that didn't rely too much on fake kibble (aside from Sideways). But back then Hasbro designers still had the resources and budget to use more moving parts and more complex designs and transformations to achieve greater accuracy.

Of course, with the right design and the right designer, we can still get gems like PRID Vehicon and Soundwave, but more communication between CGI concept and toy designers can only work for the good of making better TF's.


Ah, I see. So, your dilemma is faux kibble.

I don't have a problem with faux kibble, especially on Smokescreen here, but the chest really suffers because there isn't enough blue on it. Again, we can only hope Reprolabels does something about it.
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Re: Deluxe Beast Hunters Smokescreen and Bulkhead.

Postby Hypershock » Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:46 pm

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Red headcrest - Blue missiles.

:-(

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Re: Deluxe Beast Hunters Smokescreen and Bulkhead.

Postby Vectorshot » Fri Jan 11, 2013 4:14 pm

This figure is SO GOTTEN! This is what they should have put out the first time instead of that Knockout knock off.
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Re: Deluxe Beast Hunters Smokescreen and Bulkhead.

Postby Vectorshot » Fri Jan 11, 2013 4:15 pm

This figure looks like a combination of Roadbuster, Rhinox, and Demolisher.
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Re: Deluxe Beast Hunters Smokescreen and Bulkhead.

Postby Mindmaster » Fri Jan 11, 2013 4:27 pm

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Vectorshot wrote:This figure looks like a combination of Roadbuster, Rhinox, and Demolisher.


I'm seeing Roadbuster and Rhinox, but I'm not seeing how you're getting Demolishor. Brawn maybe, but not Demolishor. :-?
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Re: Deluxe Beast Hunters Smokescreen and Bulkhead.

Postby Manterax Prime » Fri Jan 11, 2013 6:41 pm

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Re: Deluxe Beast Hunters Smokescreen and Bulkhead.

Postby Mindmaster » Fri Jan 11, 2013 6:45 pm

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Manterax Prime wrote:Roadbuster, Brawn, Rhinox.....who cares! I see Man-at-Arms!


Yeah, well... I see this post! Yeah! Hah! Take that! :DANCE:

:lol:

But yeah, I see where you're coming from. But in my own intelligente, I'ma seeing Brawn.
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Re: Deluxe Beast Hunters Smokescreen and Bulkhead.

Postby Sabrblade » Fri Jan 11, 2013 8:54 pm

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Vectorshot wrote:This figure looks like a combination of Roadbuster, Rhinox, and Demolisher.


I'm seeing Roadbuster and Rhinox, but I'm not seeing how you're getting Demolishor. Brawn maybe, but not Demolishor. :-?
He's probably thinking of the Energon dump truck version (who always reminded me of Rhinox). ;)
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Re: Deluxe Beast Hunters Smokescreen and Bulkhead.

Postby Mindmaster » Fri Jan 11, 2013 8:57 pm

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Mindmaster wrote:
Vectorshot wrote:This figure looks like a combination of Roadbuster, Rhinox, and Demolisher.


I'm seeing Roadbuster and Rhinox, but I'm not seeing how you're getting Demolishor. Brawn maybe, but not Demolishor. :-?
He's probably thinking of the Energon dump truck version (who always reminded me of Rhinox). ;)


Oh. Oh! ...Oh. #-o

I keep forgetting that Armada Demolishor was reformatted into a dump truck. And the worst part is that I actually have that figure, so I should have remembered. :BANG_HEAD:
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Re: Deluxe Beast Hunters Smokescreen and Bulkhead.

Postby Vectorshot » Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:14 pm

Indeed, the Dump truck version of Demolisher is what I was referring to.
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Re: Deluxe Beast Hunters Smokescreen and Bulkhead.

Postby Mindmaster » Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:15 pm

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Vectorshot wrote:Indeed, the Dump truck version of Demolisher is what I was referring to.


Well then, I apologize and take back what I said.

Carry on, nothing to see here.
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Re: Deluxe Beast Hunters Smokescreen and Bulkhead.

Postby dreadverse8 » Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:27 pm

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The visor and the blue dots on the deluxe bulkhead kinda looks like deadmau5
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Re: Deluxe Beast Hunters Smokescreen and Bulkhead.

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dreadverse8 wrote:The visor and the blue dots on the deluxe bulkhead kinda looks like deadmau5


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Re: Deluxe Beast Hunters Smokescreen and Bulkhead.

Postby chuckdawg1999 » Sat Jan 12, 2013 1:26 pm

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Well I unfortunately won't be able to get these early. The middle man was being "funny" with how to pay them and the price just got to high. I do hope if someone gets these early they give us a good look.

By the way, has anyone else noticed Bulkhead has gorilla arms? I do hope his wrists can swivel.
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Re: Deluxe Beast Hunters Smokescreen and Bulkhead.

Postby BIGGUY007 » Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:47 am

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Though this figure is nice! :APPLAUSE: It screams for Reprolabels! :idea: :PRAY:

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