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souf wrote:I thought so I notice the differnce more so when I put my wfc Optimus next to my FOC Optimus. then I just got FOC Grimlock and his little arm in dino mode came un screwed and off like the 2nd day I had it. I already threw the box away. so couldn't return it for another (trying to figure out how to fix now.

Call Hasbro, they're good about getting you a refund at least.

ok do you have the number

Hasbro.com should be able to point you in the right direction. If not google hasbro customer support

souf wrote:Really Hasbro cut expenses on the FoC deluxes. Not only are they abhorrently slim and empty, the nasty excellent is clearly reduced than regular.

Let me sum up the FOC figures ... smaller, cheaper plastic and more expensive. I haven't bought a single one yet, except YOTS Omega Supreme, which I'm still waiting on. I just can't justify it. I loved both FOC and WOC games and some of the character molds, but the toys aren't up to snuff. Shockwave looked cool, but he was way too small in scale. He was more like a big scout figure than a deluxe. I saw Trailcutter at Toy Fair. He's super cool too, but he's about the size of Classics Bumblebee. WTF?

I'm not a huge fan the of Beast Hunters line either, although Smokescreen and Shockwave look like buys. I'm going to pick up Blitzwing and Springer when they come out, but other than that I'll use this time to pick up some of the older Generations and Universe figures I missed out on.

I think FOC Kickback is an exception. It's a weighty figure and feels much more solid and substantial than the other FOC Deluxes. It almost seems like it came from a different line.

souf wrote:I thought so I notice the differnce more so when I put my wfc Optimus next to my FOC Optimus. then I just got FOC Grimlock and his little arm in dino mode came un screwed and off like the 2nd day I had it. I already threw the box away. so couldn't return it for another (trying to figure out how to fix now.

I have heard of this problem. My cousin got FOC grimlock and in the process of trying to get him out of the box one of the dino arm ball joints snapped off. it was unfix-able. he returned it and got another, same thing happned to that one. so he just got FOC swindle instead. so i dont think im getting grimlock.

GuyIncognito wrote:They're cheap plastic toys made for kids. Just because we've co-opted them as a serious hobby doesn't mean Hasbro has to adjust their business plan to satisfy us.

If you're not happy with how TFs are made nowadays, find something else to collect, like third-party transforming toys. But I'm sick of hearing people (especially adults) whine and moan about how a toy company isn't catering to their standards.

I know that this is a very old debate at this point, but I hardly think that wanting what you feel you're paying for is demanding a company to cater to your standards. I personally find this kind of commentary far less useful to the fandom than people whining and moaning about the quality of toys. If I pay $17 for a deluxe, I'd like to feel like I got some value out of it.
Yeah, I chose to buy the $17 dollar toy, and I've a right to my opinion. No one has to like my opinion, but the existance of people who don't like my opinion in no way invalidates my opinion.

I got FoC Sideswipe like two weeks ago after passing on Jazz and I must say, I am appalled by his legs. They're like half legs, like the rear leg parts fell off in the package or something like that. When I looked down the front of him I was equally upset to see the he's just empty space with a robot slightly folded around it.

Although, I'm sure I'm just being too critical, and I have no right to complain about something I paid for.

Dagon wrote:but I hardly think that wanting what you feel you're paying for is demanding a company to cater to your standards.

You contradicted yourself there.

What are your "standards?" They are what you want out of something to meet your satisfaction, right? So how is wanting what you feel your paying for not wanting Hasbro to cater to your standards? You want a good toy to satisfy you for what you're paying for. Those are your standards.

Yeah, I chose to buy the $17 dollar toy, and I've a right to my opinion. No one has to like my opinion, but the existance of people who don't like my opinion in no way invalidates my opinion.

It's not a matter of disliking your opinion moreso than it is us wanting the redundancy to stop. I see too many topics created specifically for complaining about this. Not just here, but other sites as well. If we want to complain as much, we should all have a "Transformers Quality Complaints Thread" pinned to the top of all Transformers toy forums.

GuyIncognito wrote:They're cheap plastic toys made for kids. Just because we've co-opted them as a serious hobby doesn't mean Hasbro has to adjust their business plan to satisfy us.

If you're not happy with how TFs are made nowadays, find something else to collect, like third-party transforming toys. But I'm sick of hearing people (especially adults) whine and moan about how a toy company isn't catering to their standards.

Hasbro is a public corporation. Their number one priority is making a profit for their shareholders. As long as they're profitable, they have no reason to cater to a small minority of their customer base. Hasbro is NOT a public charity set up to provide you with a lifetime supply of high-quality collectible figures at low prices.

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im sick of it as well. if my toy breaks im not going to whine and complain about hasbro, it was my stupid fault for being a gorilla with my toys and not being careful. "HASBLOW HAS WRONGED ME, THEY SUCK, THIRD PARTY IS BETTER IN EVERY WAY" no. example. my fans project bruticus has broken 3 times. i fixed it but it still broke. the plastic is very very brittle. Also if its a matter of defects EVERY toy company has defects. NO ONE HAS ZERO DEFECTIVE TOYS. if someone gets one defective toy after another then oh well, shit happens get over it. if you complain about every little defect then you are no better than a brony who complains that his twilight sprinkles or whatever is the wrong color or is missing a hair on its mane. and it happens to MPs as well. my MP 10 is defective. his trailer was mis-assembled which i fixed. i am SICK OF IT. if you hate hasbro so much then stop buying from them.