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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby Autobot032 » Mon Nov 05, 2012 6:21 pm

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I do worry about 3rd party. I loves me some 3rd party. I'd be sad if Giant didn't exist. Or Colossus, or Protector, or...well, you get the idea.

If 3rd party could still exist, and TF anything doesn't suffer...I guess I wouldn't be opposed to it.

Although, Disney got rid of Power Rangers, which still surprises me... So, yeah, I dunno.
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby Seibertron » Mon Nov 05, 2012 6:21 pm

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CommanderHazar wrote:As far as Shout! Factory goes, this has the potential to be the biggest change as far as I can see. Disney is not known for contracting out to other companies the DVDs of its properties. It is also not known for releasing its TV shows on DVD, preferring to focus on its movie properties instead. There have been exceptions, of course, but on the whole it's rare for Disney owned series to be released. That could be problematic for future TF DVD releases. On the other hand, it could work in just he opposite way, and give TF:RiD its first DVD release in Region 1.

As for the toys, this may very well be the end of my collecting if it happens. If they leave Hasbro alone to do their thing, I don't see myself changing my habits of not buying the general release figures, and focusing only on more collector oriented lines. As far as TFs go, that means third-party and Masterpiece. If Disney starts shutting down the third-parties, that just leaves Masterpieces.

Only time will tell, and I'll make my decisions based on events as they happen, and not on the rumors.


I think it's best to compare this to what Disney did with Marvel. We still get Marvel DVDs, right? Any reason to think this wouldn't be any different with Hasbro?
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby CommanderHazar » Mon Nov 05, 2012 6:36 pm

Seibertron wrote:I think it's best to compare this to what Disney did with Marvel. We still get Marvel DVDs, right? Any reason to think this wouldn't be any different with Hasbro?


The movies, yeah.

TV shows? I haven't seen any from the characters I know or follow, at least not since Disney bought Marvel. It's not unlikely that Transformers could go the same way: The movies get released on disk, the TV series are broadcast and ignored for disks. It's not guaranteed, but it is a possibility to be aware of.

Still, I do acknowledge that the only R1 Transformers example we've had to go on was RiD, and that could be turned around by this acquisition. Unless Saban reacquired the rights when he reacquired Power Rangers.
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby morphobots » Mon Nov 05, 2012 6:41 pm

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morphobots wrote:And I think Seibertron.com would be gone in New York minute.


Why do you think that? Do you think the Star Wars fansites are in jeopardy? Aren't Marvel fansites still around 3+ years after that Disney's acquisition? I don't think Disney is in business to piss off fans of established sites.

I do think watching our Ps and Qs is really important at this stage of the game. I think this is the end for 3rd party stuff though. Disney's pockets are much deeper than Hasbro's.


I concede that I didn't think about the Marvel sites, and I wasn't implying anyone trying to piss off fans. I was thinking about Disney guarding IP. I know you state on the site that it is "unofficial". Would that still continue, or would this and other fansites have to get official permission to continue with a threat of shutdown like we were concerned with if SOPA passed? Sorry, but I'm just not up on the details of copyright law.
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby Midnight_Fox » Mon Nov 05, 2012 6:46 pm

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Seibertron wrote:I think it's best to compare this to what Disney did with Marvel. We still get Marvel DVDs, right? Any reason to think this wouldn't be any different with Hasbro?


The movies, yeah.

TV shows? I haven't seen any from the characters I know or follow, at least not since Disney bought Marvel. It's not unlikely that Transformers could go the same way: The movies get released on disk, the TV series are broadcast and ignored for disks. It's not guaranteed, but it is a possibility to be aware of.


I saw Spectacular Spider-man Season 2(the season that originally aired on Disney XD) DVDs this morning at TRU. Marvel shows do get released on disk by Disney.
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby CommanderHazar » Mon Nov 05, 2012 6:49 pm

morphobots wrote:Sorry, but I'm just not up on the details of copyright law.


Actually, that would fall under trademark law, not copyright, and it might depend on how diligent Disney's lawyers feel they have to be. If they start going after the third-party toy companies, the lawyers might say they'd have a better case if they cracked down on all infringement, including fan-sites.

I don't know trademark law as well as I do copyright, but I believe that a trademark case requires that the trademarks be both used and protected in order to be able to uphold the claim of infringement.

Any actual lawyers here who can clarify this?
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby Seibertron » Mon Nov 05, 2012 6:50 pm

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morphobots wrote:And I think Seibertron.com would be gone in New York minute.


Why do you think that? Do you think the Star Wars fansites are in jeopardy? Aren't Marvel fansites still around 3+ years after that Disney's acquisition? I don't think Disney is in business to piss off fans of established sites.

I do think watching our Ps and Qs is really important at this stage of the game. I think this is the end for 3rd party stuff though. Disney's pockets are much deeper than Hasbro's.


I concede that I didn't think about the Marvel sites, and I wasn't implying anyone trying to piss off fans. I was thinking about Disney guarding IP. I know you state on the site that it is "unofficial". Would that still continue, or would this and other fansites have to get official permission to continue with a threat of shutdown like we were concerned with if SOPA passed? Sorry, but I'm just not up on the details of copyright law.


I think Seibertron.com has a very good working relationship with Hasbro, Activision, Shout! Factory, IDW and many other companies associated with our Transformers hobby. I would like to think those relationships would continue. There is a marketing value of fansites like Seibertron.com to companies like Hasbro and to Disney. This is a large enough fansite, that we've been officially invited by these companies to many events over the past decade or so, have received many promotional items for review purposes and have been recognized in many ways by those companies. I'm assuming that they'll continue letting fansites do what they do best because ultimately it just makes more money for them and allows them a way to communicate directly with fans.
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby CommanderHazar » Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:00 pm

Midnight_Fox wrote:I saw Spectacular Spider-man Season 2(the season that originally aired on Disney XD) DVDs this morning at TRU. Marvel shows do get released on disk by Disney.


I've not seen any sign of a Season 2 release for that series in R1. Just a Season 1 and individual volumes. S2 is not listed on Amazon, and any volumes that include S2 episodes may have fallen under a previous contract for the series since, based on what I have read and remember, Marvel was bought during that show's run., and all the DVD releases I've seen have been from Sony, not Disney.

Or maybe I'm wrong. I'll even say as much if shown hard proof.
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby KNM2012 » Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:13 pm

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KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:The only concern I have, however, are tied to both IDW and Shout! Factory. Both have licenses to brands that are owned by Hasbro. We all know that. So with IDW, I am wondering how this will affect them. Will they have to hand over their ReGeneration One stuff to Marvel if this is official? And will they be permitted to publish anything they worked on? And Shout!Factory - Will everything they collaborated on have to be submitted to Disney? Does this also mean that Disney will be able to obtain the animated movie? And if so, will they give us the original or edited feature?


I'm assuming that whatever deals and contracts Hasbro has in play such as with IDW, Shout! Factory, Paramount, Activision, the Hub, etc ... would all remain. When those contracts end, I'm sure they'd do whatever put (or keep) the most money in their pockets.


Hasbro actually owns a majority of The Hub, which means that Disney could decide to buy out the rest as it is a profitable channel. Plus, they could use it to show old Disney Channel shows, as well as expand their educational programs.

And I feel a bit safe for IDW, because BOOM! only lost their rights on account that those were solely Disney and Disney-Pixar properties. Plus, Disney has currently said both Marvel and LucasArts will be handled as independents. So with Shout!Factory, I also have to assume they will see the benefits, or until Disney chooses to intervene.

Plus, with Activision... I think they are safe. Disney does like licensing series, and Activision may benefit from this. Especially since it could mean them having High Moon doing a TRON game that is both fun AND playable. :lol:

No comment on Paramount, on grounds that my cat and Michael Bay share the same birthday. (Which is weird, as I was born in the same city as Jeffry Combs... And my mom was born in the same city as Steve Blum.)

And with the money... I think they will look into expanding their educational programs, maybe even offer a program to qualifying Hasbro employees. Plus, they could branch out more on art and music through Hasbro, maybe even starting a program for the two. Maybe even start classes tied to voice acting classes that have them start doing roles in future Hasbro series.

But honestly, I have to ask my cousin if she knows how they handled their money tied to their education programs, as she used to work for Disney. :-?
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby The Variable » Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:20 pm

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This actually seems to go hand-in-hand, as this combines all of the previous Transformers tie-ins, namely Star Wars and Disney itself.

I can't be for or against it until I see the results if such a merger pushes through.

But...

If it does...

Does that mean we'll be able to get more paint-apps in our figures? *crosses fingers* :-?
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby Autobot032 » Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:28 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:...There is something seriously wrong with you, kid.

P.S. - Nick doesn't own Power Rangers, they just air it. Saban owns it and they wanted to make Samurai the way it turned out to be. But considering that they hadn't worked on that show in about a decade, it's no wonder their first go at it in 10 years was subpar. :roll:


Please don't feed trollish behavior. (Until I'm convinced otherwise, I'm inclined to believe he's trolling.)

As for Power Rangers, Saban did make Samurai (and Super) the way he wanted it. But, as for subpar? I don't think so. It was usual Saban quality, but slightly better. The special effects, the cleaner looking Sentai footage (his was always so ugly and grainy, I really don't understand it) only enhance his usual cheesiness.

His handling of the show has certainly helped toy sales. When Disney shoved the shows on XD and ABC Saturday mornings (which stations could opt out of), kids didn't really get to see the show(s). Now that it's on Nick and that's on every basic cable and satellite system, everyone can see it. RPM and MMPRv2 didn't have the best toy sales and some toys never made it to the US, or production for that matter. Now, with him in control again, almost everything seen on screen has made it to some form of toy. With more expected. And they're selling rather well. The figures and the Zord system, especially. Role Play, not so much.

CommanderHazar wrote:Still, I do acknowledge that the only R1 Transformers example we've had to go on was RiD, and that could be turned around by this acquisition. Unless Saban reacquired the rights when he reacquired Power Rangers.


Saban reacquired the rights to all seasons of Power Rangers when he bought it back. Their video release are now handled by Lionsgate.
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:35 pm

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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby Sodan-1 » Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:36 pm

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Disney do like to make toys for their characters and movies, so why not buy a big toy manufacturer (which has kind of branched out to be more general entertainment based in recent times). Our world has crossed with Disney before with those Mickey and Donald transforming figures, and wasn't Mr. Potato Head in Toy Story a Hasbro product?

If a result of a takeover means we get a Transformers movie more on par with The Avengers then I'm all for it. While I won't deny Hasbro have done some things right with Transformers in recent years (the PRIME animated series, First Edition figures (sort of), letting IDW just get on with the task of writing great comics and High Moon do Fall of Cybertron, and making a **** tonne of money from the movies and repaying us with hundreds of poor quality Bumblebees), there have been quite a few times where I've felt like I'd quite like someone new cracking the whip.

Bottom line: I'm open to this, but it does seem like Disney are getting a bit carried away.
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby CommanderHazar » Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:39 pm

Autobot032 wrote:Saban reacquired the rights to all seasons of Power Rangers when he bought it back. Their video release are now handled by Lionsgate.


I know that. I just don't know how much beyond PR he got back. Did he get back the rights to everything he did for Fox Kids, including TF:RiD, as well? Just PR? Somewhere in between?

If Disney still has some of the Fox Kids/Saban library, TF:RiD might be among them.
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

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How would this work out for the Transformers rides in Universal though? If TFs become by extension a Disney property, they'd have to shut those rides down and move them to Disney parks? On the other hand, Universal Islands of Adventure also has Harry Potter (Warner Brothers) and Marvel rides.
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby padfoo » Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:49 pm

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CommanderHazar wrote:As far as Shout! Factory goes, this has the potential to be the biggest change as far as I can see. Disney is not known for contracting out to other companies the DVDs of its properties. It is also not known for releasing its TV shows on DVD, preferring to focus on its movie properties instead. There have been exceptions, of course, but on the whole it's rare for Disney owned series to be released. That could be problematic for future TF DVD releases. On the other hand, it could work in just he opposite way, and give TF:RiD its first DVD release in Region 1.

As for the toys, this may very well be the end of my collecting if it happens. If they leave Hasbro alone to do their thing, I don't see myself changing my habits of not buying the general release figures, and focusing only on more collector oriented lines. As far as TFs go, that means third-party and Masterpiece. If Disney starts shutting down the third-parties, that just leaves Masterpieces.

Only time will tell, and I'll make my decisions based on events as they happen, and not on the rumors.


I think it's best to compare this to what Disney did with Marvel. We still get Marvel DVDs, right? Any reason to think this wouldn't be any different with Hasbro?


Yes but Marvel was a mess it licensed out a lot of the distribution rights to its properties especially film to other studios and companies. I doubt Disney has any rights to anything prior to the last few years.
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby Seibertron » Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:53 pm

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CommanderHazar wrote:As far as Shout! Factory goes, this has the potential to be the biggest change as far as I can see. Disney is not known for contracting out to other companies the DVDs of its properties. It is also not known for releasing its TV shows on DVD, preferring to focus on its movie properties instead. There have been exceptions, of course, but on the whole it's rare for Disney owned series to be released. That could be problematic for future TF DVD releases. On the other hand, it could work in just he opposite way, and give TF:RiD its first DVD release in Region 1.

As for the toys, this may very well be the end of my collecting if it happens. If they leave Hasbro alone to do their thing, I don't see myself changing my habits of not buying the general release figures, and focusing only on more collector oriented lines. As far as TFs go, that means third-party and Masterpiece. If Disney starts shutting down the third-parties, that just leaves Masterpieces.

Only time will tell, and I'll make my decisions based on events as they happen, and not on the rumors.


I think it's best to compare this to what Disney did with Marvel. We still get Marvel DVDs, right? Any reason to think this wouldn't be any different with Hasbro?


Yes but Marvel was a mess it licensed out a lot of the distribution rights to its properties especially film to other studios and companies. I doubt Disney has any rights to anything prior to the last few years.


Existing deals / contracts would remain. Plain and simple. I just don't think we have anything to worry about with DVD releases and such. It's just part of the marketing strategy. It's different than it is with Disney created properties.
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

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Money cant buy respect. This would be a tremendous boost for the 3rd party movement. I just hope we wont start seeing Disney ads and products get front paged on this site.
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

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Rated X wrote:Money cant buy respect. This would be a tremendous boost for the 3rd party movement. I just hope we wont start seeing Disney ads and products get front paged on this site.


Dude you are a one track mind with 3rd party and KO.

But now that you brought it up ... how could this possibly be a boost for the 3rd party movement?
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

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Dude you are a one track mind with 3rd party and KO.

But now that you brought it up ... how could this possibly be a boost for the 3rd party movement?




i think what he means is there will be a certain number of collectors who might abandon "disbro" or "brodis"(whichever name you prefer lol!) for 3rd party stuff.truthfully i doubt it considering how much stuff hasbro moves i can only see this as a benefit to the brand. for me it makes perfect sense. having a huge franchise like star wars and possibly gi joe and transformers disney could do some really great things. as a stock holder im ok with the proposed purchase.

as far as articles on disney products if theyre tf related no big deal.
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby njb902 » Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:21 pm

Wow a lot of you do not like change do you? Me I'm psyched for this.
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby KNM2012 » Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:31 pm

Swindle01 wrote:said it before and will say it again

Disney are like a cancer that wont stop

Thanks for ruining Star wars disney....Now thanks for ruining transformers as well


So let me get this straight. Anything Disney does or buys is a cancer. Which includes the music and arts programs they have been promoting... Their education programs... And the fact that they also offer an affordable college program/plan to those who apply. All cancerous just because you say so for your own reasons... Right? >:oP

And with your claims... Star Wars was officially ruined on January 9, 1985, despite the fans loved everything they have done with LucasArts. Plus, the truth that the actual fans claim that both the prequel trilogy and poor product marketing is what initially ruined the franchise is not true, as that was a pre-Disney era. (Plus, we will skip why Battlefront III was never made, as well as why The Old Republic II was rushed.)

And with Transformers, you might as well say that TOMY helped ruin the Transformers on February 26, 2009, when they first released the first of the "Transformers: Disney Label" toys. So you might as well hate them as well for that. Plus, I guess Michael Bay also gave us the best franchise just because he does not work for Disney. Right? :lol:

It is like a friend of mine once said - "If you have to use your "fandom" as a means to excuse your bigoted feelings against anything, then you were not much of a fan." I always hoped that Seibertron.com fans are above this, as Disney buying companies that would fit their business plan is comparable to both how engledogg collects Transformers, and how Kadokawa does business.

And FYI, Disney has always stated that any company they buy will be run as an independent businesses. The only time they will be involved is when they have projects that do not alter the way that business handles things. Which means Buzz Lightyear was not harmed by them, Spider-Man was not harmed by them, Luke Skywalker will not be harmed by them, and Optimus Prime will not be welcomed by them and a whole new batch of fans. ;)
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby Rated X » Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:38 pm

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Rated X wrote:Money cant buy respect. This would be a tremendous boost for the 3rd party movement. I just hope we wont start seeing Disney ads and products get front paged on this site.


Dude you are a one track mind with 3rd party and KO.

But now that you brought it up ... how could this possibly be a boost for the 3rd party movement?


We both have one track minds and opposing views on 3rd parties and KO's.

How would this be a boost for 3rd parties you ask ?

This is my honest opinion:

Disney has an image to maintain. They would slaughter the franchise. Guns, explosions, violence, potty humor, and everything else remotely cool about the current Micheal Bay franchise would be eliminated. TF Prime would even be dumbed down to match the Disney persona. It would be solely up to 3rd parties to carry on the Transformers G1 legacy. I dont see Disney investing in anything "classics". And all this talk about Disney being some kind of superpower with the assets to combat 3rd parties is a bunch of B.S. Disney cant take on China. Disney cant even stop the Chinese market from using their own IP, let alone Hasbro's. This merge would spawn the birth of many more G1 inspired 3rd party companies. I really believe it.

I got a question. You have been a tremendous advocate for the new Hasbro and their IP rights. You stand by whoever the torch gets passed to in the Hasbro corporate chain, no matter where they take the brand. All because they posess the copyrights. If this rumor is true, will you become an advocate for Disney and their IP rights to Transformers ?
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