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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby PrymeStriker » Tue Nov 06, 2012 2:42 pm

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cor2879 wrote:Perhaps so but in my original post I was specifically referring to shows.


Your original post came across as referencing continuities period. You said "better shows and more continuity," not "better shows with more continuity."

In retrospect, you could've simply put down "longer TV shows" or "longer TV continuities." It probably would've saved a whole lot of confusion. >:oP
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby kirbenvost » Tue Nov 06, 2012 3:24 pm

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Nyancatron wrote:Muppets.
Marvel.
Star Wars.
Hasbro?

I have eternally hated Disney franchises and do still today.
Once they messed with Squaresoft, THAT sucked too.
These are the same freaks that STOLE Kimba the White Lion and got caught by the court shredding Winnie the Pooh ownership documents!
And they got away with that and everything else they do... because they're rich as hell.

Goodbye, Transformers... goodbye My Little Pony...

I'm guessing Lego is next now.

To say nothing of all the GLORIOUS 3rd-party content.
Perhaps even this very site as well.

: /


I don't know about the legal stuff with Kimba and Winnie the Pooh. It could be true.

But I fail to see how Disney ruined Muppets. If anything, they're the one last bastion keeping them alive. They did just release a new Muppets movie, which was great. If it wasn't for Disney I think the Muppets would've faded into obscurity by now, Sesame Street notwithstanding.

Marvel has already been discussed to death, not ruined yet is it?

Star Wars...considering Lucas himself ruined it and Disney had no influence over that, I don't think so. It can only get better from here.

Squaresoft? Do you know anything about it? They merged with Enix, then most of the original Final Fantasy creators were either fired or left. Hasn't been the same since, but it had nothing to do with Disney. Just because they have a crossover series doesn't mean Disney controls everything they do.

Seriously, some of the Disney haters need to try thinking with some logic.
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby AdamFett » Tue Nov 06, 2012 3:29 pm

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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby cor2879 » Tue Nov 06, 2012 3:31 pm

AdamFett wrote:As long as disney doesn't ruin Boba Fett, and Soundwave...I'm happy.


Boba Fett was already ruined :-(

First when he appeared as a child

Second when Lucas changed his flipping voice!

As a previous poster mentioned, Star Wars has nowhere to go but up!
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby The Variable » Tue Nov 06, 2012 4:45 pm

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Mkall wrote:I can foresee better quality toys put out because of this. It would probably also mark the end of 3rd parties.


There is something good that could come out of this-- the 3rd Parties could start focusing on creating their own original transforming toy lines (which some of them already have started) that are independent of the Transformers brand.

If they can establish themselves as a legitimate form of competition, then Hasbro would be pressed to engineer more and better toys.

Or Disney would be pressed to acquire those companies. So that Fansproject Not-Springer or that TFC Not-Devastator on your shelf? CANON! :D
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby Severa » Tue Nov 06, 2012 7:27 pm

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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby Ultra Markus » Tue Nov 06, 2012 7:45 pm

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That Bot wrote:Is The Hub really a "direct" competitor to anything Disney? The Hub gets seen by approximately 100 people nationwide. :P

not a competitor by any means and its more like a 100,000 people
think of all the people 25-40 that used to watch those shows when they were younger, that they now play
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby felinafullstop » Tue Nov 06, 2012 8:05 pm

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So....does this mean Disney and Mattel are breaking up?
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby KNM2012 » Tue Nov 06, 2012 8:16 pm

kirbenvost wrote:Seriously, some of the Disney haters need to try thinking with some logic.


Light-Sound theory?

Point being is that there is a belief that those who narrow their views to the point prejudice is more important than fact is due to a low intelligence. Not saying that she, and others that put hatred before logic and facts are stupid. I am just saying is that they do not really think about the facts when they speak with such hatred. >:oP

Besides, you also forgot to mention that Squaresoft went bankrupt because they put a huge sum of money building Square Pictures and watched their first (and only) movie go bust. Yet, Enix was doing great with their publications and made enough to purchase their former rival, prior to making it be a merger. That, and it is going strong despite having a partnership with Disney. ;)

felinafullstop wrote:So....does this mean Disney and Mattel are breaking up?


IF it happens, the answer will be no on account that they do have a long standing history with Disney, and Disney will want to continue that. 8)
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:35 pm

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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby PrymeStriker » Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:00 pm

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PrymeStriker wrote:The TV show of G1 lasted from 84-87.
no one ever remembers G1 season 5 from 1988. :-(


Yeah. That happened. But those episodes were basically the same episodes from the previous 4 seasons (and the movie cut up into 5 episodes) with some Tommy + Prime love scenes interaction at the beginning and end, so I didn't count them. :P
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:02 pm

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PrymeStriker wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
PrymeStriker wrote:The TV show of G1 lasted from 84-87.
no one ever remembers G1 season 5 from 1988. :-(


Yeah. That happened. But those episodes were basically the same episodes from the previous 4 seasons (and the movie cut up into 5 episodes) with some Tommy + Prime love scenes interaction at the beginning and end, so I didn't count them. :P
The Tommy/Prime story bits (however minute they were) still happened, though. ;)
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby PrymeStriker » Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:04 pm

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PrymeStriker wrote:
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PrymeStriker wrote:The TV show of G1 lasted from 84-87.
no one ever remembers G1 season 5 from 1988. :-(


Yeah. That happened. But those episodes were basically the same episodes from the previous 4 seasons (and the movie cut up into 5 episodes) with some Tommy + Prime love scenes interaction at the beginning and end, so I didn't count them. :P
The Tommy/Prime story bits (however minute they were) still happened, though. ;)


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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:06 pm

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PrymeStriker wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
PrymeStriker wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
PrymeStriker wrote:The TV show of G1 lasted from 84-87.
no one ever remembers G1 season 5 from 1988. :-(


Yeah. That happened. But those episodes were basically the same episodes from the previous 4 seasons (and the movie cut up into 5 episodes) with some Tommy + Prime love scenes interaction at the beginning and end, so I didn't count them. :P
The Tommy/Prime story bits (however minute they were) still happened, though. ;)


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The fandom wonders the same thing: What happened to him? :P
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby FellintoOblivion » Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:36 pm

Blackstreak wrote:I wouldn't be a bit surprised. When you got the money greed knows no bounds. Disney don't know when to quit. Won't be long before we end up as a country of monopolies.


Doesn't know when to quit what? Making money?

As someone who lives in Orlando let me point two things out:

1. Disney already sells Transformer toys in at least 2 locations (Japan inside Epcot and at Downtown Disney) so I doubt they have a problem with the guns and "violence" of Transformers.

2. Violations of Disney trademarks/copyrights are EVERYWHERE down here. You can't walk ten feet in the tourist areas without seeing something that's a Disney bootleg whether it's clothing or toys. If they're not all that worried about their main money making franchise being depreciated by 3 for $10 t-shirts I doubt they're going to start chasing down relatively small companies making quality toys based on their intellectual property.
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby Seibertron » Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:31 pm

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PrymeStriker wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
PrymeStriker wrote:The TV show of G1 lasted from 84-87.
no one ever remembers G1 season 5 from 1988. :-(


Yeah. That happened. But those episodes were basically the same episodes from the previous 4 seasons (and the movie cut up into 5 episodes) with some Tommy + Prime love scenes interaction at the beginning and end, so I didn't count them. :P
The Tommy/Prime story bits (however minute they were) still happened, though. ;)


This is really a stretch. It's as much of a stretch as saying that the commercials continued the cartoon continuity and it last until the 1990 Action Masters commercials aired. Or that G2 should count as additional seasons.

The G1 cartoon ran from 1984 to 1987. Any statement other than that is trying to make something out of nothing.
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:56 pm

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Seibertron wrote:This is really a stretch. It's as much of a stretch as saying that the commercials continued the cartoon continuity and it last until the 1990 Action Masters commercials aired. Or that G2 should count as additional seasons.

The G1 cartoon ran from 1984 to 1987. Any statement other than that is trying to make something out of nothing.
Well, they did air as actual episodes, rather than one-off commercial bits. What's to stop us from considering Optimus having become a Powermaster, telling war stories to a kid, and helping out other Autobots like Grimlock, Joyride, Cloudburst, Sky High, and Landmine, all happening at some point after "The Rebirth"?

Though the meat of the episodes themselves were repeats of old material, all the book-ending live action segments were new content made specifically for the show, and managed to have some semblance of continuity to them. I don't see anything wrong with season 5's exclusive content being part of the American G1 cartoon canon, since "The Rebirth" itself did have a pretty open ending. ;)
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby Seibertron » Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:01 am

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Handels-Messerschmitt wrote:Because the circumstances in which people are hired are not equal. You agree to it in a legal sense but if you don't agree to employment anywhere you will be without income and unable to pay for a home, clothes, healthcare and food. You are under far more pressure to be hired by anyone than anyone is under to hire you, specifically. Companies know this very well and make the most of it.


This doesn't make a whole lot of sense. It is still a choice. People don't have to work for those companies if they wish to have a piece of the pie for the ideas they create. There are other options out there. They can start their own businesses, they can do freelance work ... there are other options out there believe it or not. Some people complain, some just make it happen.

While I worked for other companies as a programmer and web-developer, creating/writing code, applications, modules, documents, graphics, etc ... I never once thought that I was owed any royalties for anything that I created. I was working for that company and I was collecting a paycheck for the work that I did for them. What I did was no different for the company I worked for than the artists who worked for Disney. We did what we were asked, we produced a product/concept/solution/idea for the company so that the company could make money, stay in business, and keep us employed.

Companies are in business to make money. That's not evil. That's not wrong. It's just how it works in a capitalist society. Companies such as Disney and Hasbro are NOT non-profit organizations. They are for profit and that is how they survive. We want companies like Hasbro to make money so that they do well, prosper, thrive, and survive. Why? So they can continue to employ and afford the talented people who work for them and so that they can continue making products which we have enjoyed over the years and hopefully for years to come.
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:07 am

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This should douse the flames:

http://news.providencejournal.com/business/2012/11/kostrzewa---wall-street-focuses-on-spike-in-hasbro-stock.html

While most of the country focused Tuesday morning on the presidential election, Wall Street analysts turned their attention to Hasbro.

Stock in the Pawtucket-based toymaker (HAS:Nasdaq) spiked 6.8 percent to $38.66 at the opening bell amid speculation that Disney (DIS:NYSE) was preparing a multi-billion dollar bid for Hasbro.

Hasbro declined comment, citing its policy of not talking about rumor or speculation. CNBC analyst David Faber reported that Hasbro's advisors told him there's "absolutely nothing going on that they are aware of at all, in any way, shape or form" involving Hasbro or Disney.

Wall Street analysts said a Disney acquisition didn't make much sense, just after Disney agreed to buy Lucasfilm Ltd. for $4.05 billion. And for any deal to happen, Hasbro would have to dissolve agreements with Disney's competitors.

The analysis sent the stock down to $36.75 by 10:30 a.m., but then it crept back up to close at $37.79, up $1.62 for the day or 4.5 percent on extremely heavy volume of 7.2 million shares. The stock is now up 6.2 percent over the last two trading days.
Disney's stock closed at $50.47, up 15 cents a share.

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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby Handels-Messerschmitt » Wed Nov 07, 2012 3:28 am

Seibertron wrote:This doesn't make a whole lot of sense. It is still a choice.


The choice between employment and unemployment isn't really much of a choice when the latter means unmanageable financial insecurity for you and your family. Freelancing in creative work isn't the most stable thing one can do, either.

Seibertron wrote:Companies are in business to make money. That's not evil. That's not wrong. It's just how it works in a capitalist society.


The unchallenged assumption here is that "just how it works in a capitalist society" is desirable. Systemic exploitation of others, no matter how necessary it is for the survival of the company that does it, is not good.
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby KNM2012 » Wed Nov 07, 2012 3:30 am

WolfSpider1979 wrote:NO! NO! SMEG NO! They can't have it! If they want "My Little Pony", that's one thing. I'd still shove two fingers in their face with a raspberry. Those piece of smeg jerk-wads have ruined what Walt made. They have sullied that company with the cries of PERVERTS for more! I have a feeling they'll try to make Sideswipe and Sunstreaker grope in a closet for a month, then "bring them out" with Red Alert. NO SMEGGING WAY! :twisted:

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One, you ignored the fact that this was a rumor.
Two, you did not see that this cannot happen as-is.
And three, Robert Iger is not Michael Eisner.

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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby MegaDump » Wed Nov 07, 2012 6:34 am

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Kinda funny coincidence, I was just the other day mulling over this as a possibility in light of Disney's recent purchase of Lucasfilm. I kinda wonder if even the mighty Disney is maybe over-extending its vast resources. I mean, several very high profile acquisitions with Marvel, Lucasfilm, the Muppets and Pixar before that... Clearly the Disney company is very well-off, but surely even they must feel a substantial punch from such massive purchases?

And what would this mean for Disney-branded Transformers media? Disney is notorious for sealing movies/media in their "vault" and producing only limited runs on DVD/Blu-Ray media to ensure maximum suckage from a customer perspective. Indeed, there are vast amounts of quality, pioneering animation and other expensive, first-run animated TV series they have simply refused to release. Can we expect similar treatment with Transformers-related media in the future? Worse, would such a deal signal the death of all current Transformers multimedia, like the IDW license, Prime TV Show, etc? Surely Hasbro, working hard of late to boost the Transformers brand, would not thoroughly rape their Prime (heh) product in the middle of a new "renaissance" period?
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