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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby KNM2012 » Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:33 pm

CyberAutobotProwl wrote:A few pages back someone mentioned the prigression of Disney buying Hasbro. Before that Hasbro buying WOTC. and WOTC buying TSR before that.

Well if that's the analogy im in really bad shape. WOrst case scenario. I have hope this isnt going to be too bad of a thing but overall...

TSR used to be great and hot. I havent played TSR games in a long time. It has long since cooled off and lost its creative spark. No one i know plays it or has aasked me to play one of its games. WOTC nought it and it is now bland.

WOTC was mega hot and fun about 15-20 years ago. THere were great "conventions" a la deck competitions and drafts even were fun times with poeple I had never met and havent seen since. It was a lot of fun and I bought a lot of cards for a while. Then it cooled down and I havent bought any except for a couple desperation decks in the past 10 years.

Hasbro bought it and WOTC pretty much ceased to exist for me. It is now really bland and holds a spot in the front of some mega chains. I never catch anyone but myself looking at them. It wsa probably the belgium companies hidden recipe of crack that kept me in there. Musta changed recipes.


now come DIsney a good company sure and has a lot of good properties. Sure it bought Marvel and kudos to them. But what have they done with it creatively but make it bland. No DIsney logo needed it just isnt very appealing.

Avengers was ok but odnt kid yourself on how good it was. In my own opinion it was a lil fun but just ok as a movie. And it was the bleeping Avengers?! It should have been epic. truly epic. I dont even remember what the story led to. it vaguely comes back to me. If I think really really hard about. COnversely I can remember DOTM fairly well and dont have to think hard about it. and it wasnt particularly great. just had things in it I consider worthwhile.


What has DIsney done with all of its brands? What has been striking or defining of an era. Earlier disney periods of my life I can say well that was well done here or there. But at least they had a lot of creative expression flowing out of them. Pixar is pratically carrying Disney on its back just like Adrian Peterson did with Vikings football team this season. But if thats all the effort they get out of their team they are creatively bankrupt. One part of their company will not keep the rest worthwhile and interesting forever.

Im not surprised Disney bought Lucasfilm. Its not like Geroge Lucas would retire and permanently dismatle the company as he retires. SOmeone would have bought it. THe only thing, that I can conclude is that it is the Hasbro family which I think is still involved with some things? that they too are thinking of stepping back and letting someone take over.

It is probably going ot be ok. But I sincerely sincerely hope this doesnt follow the pattern of hasbro buying WOTC who bought TSR.

Good properties come from creativity and innovation not simply writing out a check. Consider the Yankees as a baseball team. They outspend everyone and they can still not play the world seires and soemtimes be mediocre.


We don't have a choice but Im hoping it wont mean Transformers becomes a fad and then is forgotten. Cause it could be good. but it easily could be a watering down of the brand.


I agree with you on a good chunk of what you said. I felt that WOTC buying out TSR, which went bankrupt, was a good thing. However, even after they promised us some kind of Richard Garfield influence, we did not get any of that up to the point Hasbro bought them out. And after that, Hasbro peaked with 3.5e... But plummeted with 4e, and their sole focus (once again) of D&D's 4e system. That, and I wanted to b!tch slap the rep who proclaimed 4e to be the best system, even though their novelizations and games greatly improved (Daggerdale was fun, but did have a few issues).

With Marvel, much like LucasArts, they do not touch anything that is not a movie or TV deal. So everything is, quite honestly, on Marvel. So I am hoping that Marvel NOW! will fix all the issues created prior to the buyout. Then again, I cannot hate them because they created the The Transformers and revamped G.I. Joe for the 1980s.

And with Transformers... They are going to be 30 in 2014. So if this is a reality that does happen, Disney might push to add the original animated movie into their library. Add TOMY's Disney Label line to their parks and stores (under the Hasbro label). And push to have the Transformers line be more at-par with TOMY's... Hopefully also having a Transformers RPG be published.

... Primus, do I want a Transformers RPG that is actually playable and not online! :BANG_HEAD:
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby chuckdawg1999 » Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:34 pm

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While I know most people are concerned about the toys, I'm more interested in how a merger could affect the media, namely the Hub. Would Disney allow Hasbro to be involved in a network that's direct competition to their networks?
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby That Bot » Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:50 pm

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Is The Hub really a "direct" competitor to anything Disney? The Hub gets seen by approximately 100 people nationwide. :P
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby Grimlock64 » Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:57 pm

You know what? Until I see absolute proof that this will turn out bad, I'm going to remain positive!

This could actually be a good thing toy-wise. Maybe Hasbro would get a bigger budget for their toys in general? As someone else said, maybe we'd have better paint apps similar to the Takara-Tomy releases? What if... what if Disney decides on "Less Bumblebee" for whatever reason!?
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby paul053 » Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:15 am

Not saying I love this move, but this makes a lot of sense.

Disney owns Marvel, who is making Marvel's toy? Hasbro. Disney now owns Lucas Art, who is making Star War's toy? Hasbro. So, why not? It's not eliminating competition, it's more like securing my stuffs. Plus, with Hasbro's recent disaster, maybe this will be a good thing.

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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby KNM2012 » Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:22 am

chuckdawg1999 wrote:While I know most people are concerned about the toys, I'm more interested in how a merger could affect the media, namely the Hub. Would Disney allow Hasbro to be involved in a network that's direct competition to their networks?


If they buy Hasbro, they would own Hasbro's share of The Hub. So yes, they would allow it to exist and possibly buy out the rest if needed. ;)
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby NOS » Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:41 am

Whatever..., they can't possibly ruin transformers anymore so than Hasbro already has.

Maybe now we'll get some decent sized deluxes for the price they -used- to be and they won't all be movie-Bumblebees.

I'm looking forward to further news and the future of Transformers should Disney take over and if it somehow manages to roll even further down hill I'll still have my 3rd party figures to fall back on.

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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby amtm » Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:48 am

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Seeing as the stock didn't budge even after hours, doesn't look like anyone's buying this rumor. Personally i would vote no on the idea. We don't need behemoths like Disney getting any bigger, and Hasbro can do just fine on its own.
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby KNM2012 » Tue Nov 06, 2012 2:14 am

amtm wrote:We don't need behemoths like Disney getting any bigger, and Hasbro can do just fine on its own.


Really. Three things come to mind when you said that:

1) Both Marvel and LucasArts are treated as subsidiaries. Meaning that even if Disney owns them, they are treated as independent companies and have no real impact on how big Disney gets. And when compared to other businesses, Disney is no different than Kadokawa in so many ways (in account that both give other companies their business).

2) Disney already owns a toy company - Marvel Toys. However, it is all but abandoned because they gave the toy rights to Hasbro for the Marvel line. So if they wanted to, they could have that be the home of their properties... Instead of giving others their business.

3) Hasbro is doing fine simply because Disney gives them a lot of their business. Meaning that the only difference between being a Disney-based subsidiary and now is the fact the former gives them permanent rights to the Disney-owned toylines they already make.

In other words... If Hasbro gave up on Disney, Disney would be fine. And if Disney gave up on Hasbro, it would become a matter of time until TOMY buys them out. ;)
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby Autobot032 » Tue Nov 06, 2012 2:56 am

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Heh. I just thought of something.

What if Disney bought Hasbro and gave Transformers back to Marvel?
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby Burn » Tue Nov 06, 2012 2:59 am

So i'm going to throw a challenge out to all those who are opposed to the idea of Disney buying Hasbro.

The challenge is simple. I want you to explain your reasoning, without the whole "theyz gonna child my rapehood!" attitude, explain in an reasoned, educated way, as to why if this rumour were to come to fruition, that it would in fact be incredibly bad for Transformers fans.

And I want you to justify, that's right, JUSTIFY, back it up with facts and numbers and anything else you can come up with.

Please, someone, step up to the challenge, show me there's someone out there who can actually put together a non-childish, knee jerk reaction-esque reason as to why this would be bad.

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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby Trikeboy » Tue Nov 06, 2012 2:59 am

This could work out well or stink the big one. They have done well with other companies so there is the potential. Imagine a Transfomers movie franchise that is run by professionals. They could get Joss Whedon to do the movies. Botcon could be held in Epcot. Exclusives in Disney Stores. Transformers the Ride will have to be taken out of Universal Studios unless they can broker a deal. Universal put a lot of cash into that. Could severely impact on the 3rd party companies. So, good things and bad things could be on the horizon.

Luckily, to really effect the Transformers brand, they need to acquire TakaraTomy too and I don't see that happening. $4b to George Lucas, most likely the same to Hasbro, then the same to TT. I know Disney has deep pockets but that is a lot of cash to drop in one go.
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby KNM2012 » Tue Nov 06, 2012 3:12 am

Autobot032 wrote:Heh. I just thought of something.

What if Disney bought Hasbro and gave Transformers back to Marvel?


Please don't tease me with that thought. :HEADHURTS: I gave up on buying individual comics in favor of this hobby. :lol:
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby Autobot032 » Tue Nov 06, 2012 3:21 am

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Trikeboy wrote:This could work out well or stink the big one. They have done well with other companies so there is the potential. Imagine a Transfomers movie franchise that is run by professionals. They could get Joss Whedon to do the movies. Botcon could be held in Epcot. Exclusives in Disney Stores. Transformers the Ride will have to be taken out of Universal Studios unless they can broker a deal. Universal put a lot of cash into that. Could severely impact on the 3rd party companies. So, good things and bad things could be on the horizon.

Luckily, to really effect the Transformers brand, they need to acquire TakaraTomy too and I don't see that happening. $4b to George Lucas, most likely the same to Hasbro, then the same to TT. I know Disney has deep pockets but that is a lot of cash to drop in one go.


I like Joss Whedon, I really do. I thought Angel was riveting, I think Firefly/Serenity is in a class all it's own, and I know he's talented, but he is not the end all, be all of geekdom directors. Seriously.

The Avengers? Wasn't quite the thrill ride/romp I was promised. It was okay, but not fantastic. I thought the individual character films were better than the team up flick. (Especially Iron Man and Thor. Cap's film was good, but not quite up to snuff with Iron Man or Thor. Hulk's just never had a really good movie. It's kinda sad, really. And Hawkeye and whatever her name is...meh.) ...though, I must admit the performances were good...

Whedon directed and/or wrote Alien Resurrection, from what I hear. I also hear it was pretty terrible. (I don't know, I don't watch Alien. I was never good with "body horror" flicks. Blech.) The man's not perfect. I didn't care for the singalong blog or whatever it's called...

Whedon is human. A humble human (which makes me have respect for him. No giant ego.), but flawed like the rest of us, all the same. Bay's not perfect, I'll never claim that, but neither is Whedon. I'd like to see someone else take the reins and give the directing a shot, if we must replace Bay.

Maybe Whedon could do a great job with Transformers, but probably not. He seems to have an affinity for science fiction he created, and a love of comics he loves, but we have no reason to believe he gives a damn about Transformers. With someone like Whedon, there has to be a love for the material. He clearly loves his own work, Alien and The Avengers. I will give Whedon that much, he pours his heart and soul into his work and it shows. But if he doesn't give a crap about the source material, would he give it his all? And if it does blow up in his face, the fandom will hate him (because we never can be pleased. I mean, wow.)

Whedon this, Whedon that. Give it a rest, people.
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby Nyancatron » Tue Nov 06, 2012 4:12 am

Muppets.
Marvel.
Star Wars.
Hasbro?

I have eternally hated Disney franchises and do still today.
Once they messed with Squaresoft, THAT sucked too.
These are the same freaks that STOLE Kimba the White Lion and got caught by the court shredding Winnie the Pooh ownership documents!
And they got away with that and everything else they do... because they're rich as hell.

Goodbye, Transformers... goodbye My Little Pony...

I'm guessing Lego is next now.

To say nothing of all the GLORIOUS 3rd-party content.
Perhaps even this very site as well.

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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby AdamPrime » Tue Nov 06, 2012 4:25 am

This is ridiculous. Disney don't make toys. They receive good money in licensing, while other companies fall over themselves trying to make toys of Disney characters. That's not likely to change soon.
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby Nyancatron » Tue Nov 06, 2012 4:36 am

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote: But other than that, they will not give third parties that are trying to rip-off the Transformers fanbase a cease and desist. Because as I said before, if they are not a threat, then there is no point of going after them. ;)


Disney pounces on ANYBODY... even guys making extremely small-run vinyl figures parodying the ugly mouse.

Something like Hercules and Green Giant would be attacked by a fleet of lawyers.
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby noctorro » Tue Nov 06, 2012 5:00 am

Megatron Wolf wrote:first marvel then star wars(& all the companies it built) and now possibly hasbro? i always said they were trying to take over the world, better them than microsoft or google. But i hope this is true cause then maybe the hasbro brand will get some stability. Oh and disney instead of spending so much money buying stuff how about spending some money to continue Gargoyles. Fans want it the original creators want it but you have to be dicks about it. Hey if they get hasbro wouldnt they get the old gargoyle toy molds too? Kenner put out the line back in the day and hasbro bought them. Reissues would be awesome, but itll never happen. Oh and speaking of kenner did hasbro get the alien & predator toy molds? I dont know how it works do they store the molds or destroy them when they're done?


Wow, a good comment!

I would like reissue's of the figures, eventhough I have the entire cast (minus Elisa, still need to get her). How about making Marvel Universe scaled versions?
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby gavinfuzzy » Tue Nov 06, 2012 5:05 am

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Wait. Beyblade is currently owned by Takara, and it's only distributed in the US by Hasbro. In Asian Countries, they are all the Takara versions (Which leads me to wonder why we don't get United at retail here).

That aside, hopefully this does not kill of the Beast Hunters cartoons... And hopefully Disney leaves TF alone and not make some huge changes.

I'm more afraid of the future of nerf, since selling guns (albeit toy ones) might be favorable to Disney... Kinda like how Lego does not do anything Military related.
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby NTESHFT » Tue Nov 06, 2012 5:30 am

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100% agreed.

I'm 501st, myself. When word got out about Disney buying Lucasfilms/art, a lot of guys in the 501st got a little sweaty (not me). Disney assured nothing would change with us, that it would be the same business, as usual. I, myself, dig the fact of them buying Star Wars, especially since they want to continue the movies. It will help to keep the star Wars fandom continuing into the next generation of crazed Star Wars fanatics. I feel the same with this. I like the idea. The only sadness for me with this is the end of third party as we know it......


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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby The Potentate » Tue Nov 06, 2012 6:44 am

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Id hate to see Optimus Primes Trailer with a picture of a rat on it. Hopefully, this doesnt happen.
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby Dorkimus » Tue Nov 06, 2012 7:00 am

I'm not that worried about toylines, at least not yet. Then again here in northern europe hasbro has done so half ass job, that anything would be better than that. I don't think that hasbro has done such a wonderful job with TF-brand anyways, so maybe this is the change many of us have hoped. I kind of doubt that disney would suddenly bury whole tf-brand and hasbro might have done just the same in the future, who knows.

My only worry is, that there would be one gigantic entertainment monopoly that can dictate all the rules. Monopolies are seldom a very good thing.


BTW; did you know that disney kind of owns companies that make porn as well.
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby KNM2012 » Tue Nov 06, 2012 7:37 am

Nyancatron wrote:
KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote: But other than that, they will not give third parties that are trying to rip-off the Transformers fanbase a cease and desist. Because as I said before, if they are not a threat, then there is no point of going after them. ;)


Disney pounces on ANYBODY... even guys making extremely small-run vinyl figures parodying the ugly mouse.

Something like Hercules and Green Giant would be attacked by a fleet of lawyers.


Honestly, I am thinking you absorbed way too much of the latter half of the Michael Eisner years. I mean, he went from getting Epcot Center off the ground to making decisions that even I, a lifelong Disney fan, want nothing to do with them. But if you noticed, he is gone and Robert Iger is trying to fix the damage that Eisner did in the end. I mean, he had Disney buy Pixar from Steve Jobs because he believed in the people that worked there. He helped buy Marvel because Disney neglected their male demographic. LucasArts was bought because both he and Lucas wanted the fans to know Star Wars will soon return to its former glory. And even though they own Marvel Toys (formerly ToyBiz), they gave all of their Marvel-based business to Hasbro.

And yet, you know what? FUNimation is worse than Disney. Their entire history consists of them doing so many cease and desist letters that their lawyers would have been clones of Fenrir. It did not matter if you purchased the domain name, your web name reflects a property they licensed, nor did it matter if they did not obtain the license yet. If they are interested in it, they will make sure that nobody can get in their way. It does not matter if they were not going to lose money. For them, if it was a molecular of a risk... It is to be eliminated. Atop of that, they disregarded the more hardcore fanbase tied to Ouran High School Host Club, Detective Conan, and Keroro Gunso (among others) by completely rewriting the scripts for the English dub. And atop of that, they are suing AD Vision and those tied to the company for a fallout on an agreement and lost of money. And quite honestly, they could find the means to gnaw on Disney's bones if Disney ripped them off in some way. Plus, many blame them for monopolizing anime, on account that they always acquire more anime each year than they can produce. Meaning more means to tell fans to surrender anything tied to their properties or be sued.

Yet, the employees there make you forget it... Much like how you forget that voice actors like Steve Blum have worked for Disney. Or how your attitude is like a 1980s church was towards Dungeons & Dragons. (FYI, I was treated this way by a neighbor because I was a former D&D player.) All because it is either excusable in your own way or you meet those that give you a reason to look past these acts.

And with Disney, you will find them donate to schools, to relief funds outside of Japan, or anything. Because unlike FUNimation, they are - to date - one of the biggest supporters of education. They have affordable college programs, and other programs that could land you work that is neither fast food nor janitorial. They donate millions, annually, to music and art projects. They are always there when donations are needed. And, much like Hasbro and every other company you excluded, they only asked that their property be respected... As you do not see them pull a Lego and steal from innocent bystanders, much like those do to them.

Yeah... Such horrible people for having a policy that says all you have to do is obtain permission to use what is owned by them. I mean, they oppose third-party Transformers (Hasbro)... Financially screwed any company that wanted to make Battlefield III (LucasArts)... Or disallowed any refunds no matter how bad their virtual products were (Sony). >:oP

Oh, and instead of going on with this valid point... I will just point out that I have a cousin who once worked for Disney. She was a producer for their gaming and CD-ROM department(s), as well as worked within their Imagineer department. She now works for Harmonix and was involved with a large number of their games. But when she did work for Disney, she So I am guessing you are going to hate her as well, huh? >:oP
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby KNM2012 » Tue Nov 06, 2012 7:40 am

The Potentate wrote:Id hate to see Optimus Primes Trailer with a picture of a rat on it. Hopefully, this doesnt happen.


Why would they want to make a Michael Eisner-themed Optimus Prime?

..... :DANCE:

But seriously though... I have not seen this much hatred aimed at something that did not harm anybody since this. :BOOM:
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby gavinfuzzy » Tue Nov 06, 2012 8:45 am

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Some people are just over reacting (Not here, on other sites.) We don't even have confirmation if Disney IS buying over Hasbro, and some people are just making it seem like the end of the world.

Like how they are so sure the Transformers Franchise is positively screwed over and will definitely get pulled out.

Sometimes, I wish you could like reach over the internet and falcon punch the guy on the other side. #-o
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