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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby Seibertron » Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:07 am

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Oncoming Storm wrote:Disney (Walt, himself, for starters)
supported the Nazi party, before and during WWII; Walt Hated Jewish persons; and ripped off the Grimm Fairy-tales as well as ruined MANY stories and myths of folklore... (i.e. : 'Hercules', 'Aladdin', Hans Christian-Anderson's 'The Little Mermaid', 'Tarzan', 'The Muppets',now 'Star Wars', and 'Indiana Jones', ETC...) And produced all of those lame-ass musicals. THE Disney Co.
refused to pay any of its animators any royalties on the characters and designs and the stories that they created on their own...(i.e. : Hanna-Barbera, who left to create their own company when Walt refused to let them retain the rights to Donald Duck, Goofy, And other characters that THEY CREATED...)


The bit about Walt being a supporter of the Nazi party is blown way out of proportion. You can read more about this here at straightdope.com.

As for the part about royalties, we'll be on opposite sides of the fence on that one. This doesn't make Walt Disney evil ... it all just comes down to what was agreed upon at the time of hiring. I do not think that creative people should be entitled to royalties for anything they created while working for a company unless that was agreed upon when they were hired. They were hired for their creative talents and ability to come up with ideas that the company could sell. They shouldn't be entitled to royalties any more than a factory worker should be entitled to royalties for a car, toy or electronics device that they helped build in a factory.

Some companies these days don't even allow you to do paid freelance work and even go so far as to have you sign documents that say that anything you do outside of your job that is along the lines of what you do at your job is considered work done for the company. I was presented with some legal paperwork along those lines at my job about four years ago after working there for almost a year. I refused to sign the paperwork because I was concerned about the implications it would have on Seibertron.com. I was fired a week later and don't regret it for a moment.

Bottom line ... employees that are concerned about royalties should make sure they are entitled to them at the time of employment. If you don't secure your rights to royalties yet create something amazingly popular during your time at the company, then you are simply S.O.L. in my opinion.

Yes, Walt created Mickey Mouse, but that's it!!
He took advantage of the talents of many young creators and Animators...
And stole ideas and never paid for them!! THAT's just the beginning of How EVIL and tainted that company is...


He didn't take advantage of the many young creators and animators that WORKED for him as his employees. They were doing their job as his employees so that they could collect a paycheck to pay their bills, support their families and put food on the table ... just like all of us. That's not evil at all. That's just business. Plain and simple.
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby Handels-Messerschmitt » Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:34 am

Seibertron wrote:He didn't take advantage of the many young creators and animators that WORKED for him as his employees. They were doing their job as his employees so that they could collect a paycheck to pay their bills, support their families and put food on the table ... just like all of us. That's not evil at all. That's just business. Plain and simple.


That is taking advantage of them, though. If they want to work with the skills they actually had they had to do what he told them to. What are they gonna do, risk being unable to feed their families?
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby Seibertron » Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:56 am

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Handels-Messerschmitt wrote:
Seibertron wrote:He didn't take advantage of the many young creators and animators that WORKED for him as his employees. They were doing their job as his employees so that they could collect a paycheck to pay their bills, support their families and put food on the table ... just like all of us. That's not evil at all. That's just business. Plain and simple.


That is taking advantage of them, though. If they want to work with the skills they actually had they had to do what he told them to. What are they gonna do, risk being unable to feed their families?


As I mentioned above, I risked my job and lost my job because of Seibertron.com. I feel they should've risked it as well. It's no different than you or I. Are you part of some royalties program at your work? I'd be surprised if any of you are. Why does that make Walt Disney evil if people were doing the jobs they were hired for?
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby Handels-Messerschmitt » Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:04 pm

Because the circumstances in which people are hired are not equal. You agree to it in a legal sense but if you don't agree to employment anywhere you will be without income and unable to pay for a home, clothes, healthcare and food. You are under far more pressure to be hired by anyone than anyone is under to hire you, specifically. Companies know this very well and make the most of it.
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby datguy86 » Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:12 pm

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Seibertron wrote:
Oncoming Storm wrote:Disney (Walt, himself, for starters)
supported the Nazi party, before and during WWII; Walt Hated Jewish persons; and ripped off the Grimm Fairy-tales as well as ruined MANY stories and myths of folklore... (i.e. : 'Hercules', 'Aladdin', Hans Christian-Anderson's 'The Little Mermaid', 'Tarzan', 'The Muppets',now 'Star Wars', and 'Indiana Jones', ETC...) And produced all of those lame-ass musicals. THE Disney Co.
refused to pay any of its animators any royalties on the characters and designs and the stories that they created on their own...(i.e. : Hanna-Barbera, who left to create their own company when Walt refused to let them retain the rights to Donald Duck, Goofy, And other characters that THEY CREATED...)


The bit about Walt being a supporter of the Nazi party is blown way out of proportion. You can read more about this here at straightdope.com.


It's a moot point anyway on supporting the Nazis anyway - America hated Jews and agreed with the Nazis rounding them up. Might as well point the finger at your grandparents and great-grandparents. If Japan hadn't bombed Pearl Harbor, the US would not have gotten involved. It wasn't until the combination of being attacked and the reveal of concentration camps that America had morals about the situation.

Anyway, look at what could go wrong based on what Disney owns and has done. Look at what could go right based upon those same ideas. Base predictions about Disney's morals off of description of past events and current holdings, not emotions.

What could go wrong? IDW's contract could run out and the license be taken back to Marvel. Not likely, but it would be cost-effective, contractually.

What could go right? Disney loves retail product and getting more product out there. This could mean more, potentially better, toys for us.
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby TheTigerKing84 » Tue Nov 06, 2012 1:05 pm

Pro : Transformers in Toy Story and more Disney Label (Legit Herbie the Love bug Transformer?)

Con : What happens to 3rd party figure makers? Igear Love Bee??
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Nov 06, 2012 1:35 pm

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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby cor2879 » Tue Nov 06, 2012 1:58 pm

After the deft handling that Disney has made of the Marvel properties, I would trust them with any franchise. Frankly the Transformers brand has flourished in spite of Hasbro rather than because of it for most its lifetime. Maybe now we'll get better shows and more continuity rather than rebooting every 3 years.
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby PrymeStriker » Tue Nov 06, 2012 2:09 pm

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cor2879 wrote:Maybe now we'll get better shows and more continuity rather than rebooting every 3 years.



The G1 continuity lasted for 16 years, and (to a small extent) is still growing.

The Unicron Trilogy lasted 4 years, as did the Movie Trilogy.

The Aligned continuity debuted in 2010 and it's going to last for the next decade.


Yep. Reboot every 3 years.
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby Darkrenegade1 » Tue Nov 06, 2012 2:09 pm

disney, when will you just admit that you're running out of idea's. I think if disney does purchase Hasbro, as long as they do not mess with the toys or series. we won't have a problem. >:oP
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