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News Credits: 28 · by **Autobot032** » Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:21 pm

I do worry about 3rd party. I loves me some 3rd party. I'd be sad if Giant didn't exist. Or Colossus, or Protector, or...well, you get the idea.

If 3rd party could still exist, and TF anything doesn't suffer...I guess I wouldn't be opposed to it.

Although, Disney got rid of Power Rangers, which still surprises me... So, yeah, I dunno.

News Credits: 588 · by **Seibertron** » Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:21 pm

CommanderHazar wrote:As far as Shout! Factory goes, this has the potential to be the biggest change as far as I can see. Disney is not known for contracting out to other companies the DVDs of its properties. It is also not known for releasing its TV shows on DVD, preferring to focus on its movie properties instead. There have been exceptions, of course, but on the whole it's rare for Disney owned series to be released. That could be problematic for future TF DVD releases. On the other hand, it could work in just he opposite way, and give TF:RiD its first DVD release in Region 1.

As for the toys, this may very well be the end of my collecting if it happens. If they leave Hasbro alone to do their thing, I don't see myself changing my habits of not buying the general release figures, and focusing only on more collector oriented lines. As far as TFs go, that means third-party and Masterpiece. If Disney starts shutting down the third-parties, that just leaves Masterpieces.

Only time will tell, and I'll make my decisions based on events as they happen, and not on the rumors.

I think it's best to compare this to what Disney did with Marvel. We still get Marvel DVDs, right? Any reason to think this wouldn't be any different with Hasbro?

News Credits: 35 · by **Sabrblade** » Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:33 pm

XDMan wrote:All I hope is that the s and s would rule Disney, kill every Nickelodeon character to take the Power Rangers back (Nick messed things up), kill Phineas and Ferb to take Marvel back, show little kids G1, Beast Wars and Car Robots/RID, make the G1 Transformers come in Toy Story (show some dynamic battle scenes (even if Megatron has to punch Woody, Jesse and Buzz in the face really hard) for some hardcore battles), halt the obssesion w/ the Bayformers there, make Ralph get kidnapped by Megs so OP could save the day and make the original voice actors arrive to take the roles of their characters. Plus, I hope they unharm the warlike feel.

Anyone, ANYONE on this website, please show us some photos of the thoughts I told you about with your toys, artwork, etc. PLEASE, do this for me and hopefully, these thoughts would possibly come true.

...There is something seriously wrong with you, kid.

P.S. - Nick doesn't own Power Rangers, they just air it. Saban owns it and they wanted to make Samurai the way it turned out to be. But considering that they hadn't worked on that show in about a decade, it's no wonder their first go at it in 10 years was subpar. :roll:

by **CommanderHazar** » Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:36 pm

Seibertron wrote:I think it's best to compare this to what Disney did with Marvel. We still get Marvel DVDs, right? Any reason to think this wouldn't be any different with Hasbro?

The movies, yeah.

TV shows? I haven't seen any from the characters I know or follow, at least not since Disney bought Marvel. It's not unlikely that Transformers could go the same way: The movies get released on disk, the TV series are broadcast and ignored for disks. It's not guaranteed, but it is a possibility to be aware of.

Still, I do acknowledge that the only R1 Transformers example we've had to go on was RiD, and that could be turned around by this acquisition. Unless Saban reacquired the rights when he reacquired Power Rangers.

by **morphobots** » Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:41 pm

Seibertron wrote:
morphobots wrote:And I think Seibertron.com would be gone in New York minute.

Why do you think that? Do you think the Star Wars fansites are in jeopardy? Aren't Marvel fansites still around 3+ years after that Disney's acquisition? I don't think Disney is in business to piss off fans of established sites.

I do think watching our Ps and Qs is really important at this stage of the game. I think this is the end for 3rd party stuff though. Disney's pockets are much deeper than Hasbro's.

I concede that I didn't think about the Marvel sites, and I wasn't implying anyone trying to piss off fans. I was thinking about Disney guarding IP. I know you state on the site that it is "unofficial". Would that still continue, or would this and other fansites have to get official permission to continue with a threat of shutdown like we were concerned with if SOPA passed? Sorry, but I'm just not up on the details of copyright law.

by **Midnight_Fox** » Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:46 pm

CommanderHazar wrote:
Seibertron wrote:I think it's best to compare this to what Disney did with Marvel. We still get Marvel DVDs, right? Any reason to think this wouldn't be any different with Hasbro?

The movies, yeah.

TV shows? I haven't seen any from the characters I know or follow, at least not since Disney bought Marvel. It's not unlikely that Transformers could go the same way: The movies get released on disk, the TV series are broadcast and ignored for disks. It's not guaranteed, but it is a possibility to be aware of.

I saw Spectacular Spider-man Season 2(the season that originally aired on Disney XD) DVDs this morning at TRU. Marvel shows do get released on disk by Disney.

by **CommanderHazar** » Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:49 pm

morphobots wrote:Sorry, but I'm just not up on the details of copyright law.

Actually, that would fall under trademark law, not copyright, and it might depend on how diligent Disney's lawyers feel they have to be. If they start going after the third-party toy companies, the lawyers might say they'd have a better case if they cracked down on all infringement, including fan-sites.

I don't know trademark law as well as I do copyright, but I believe that a trademark case requires that the trademarks be both used and protected in order to be able to uphold the claim of infringement.

Any actual lawyers here who can clarify this?

News Credits: 588 · by **Seibertron** » Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:50 pm

morphobots wrote:
Seibertron wrote:
morphobots wrote:And I think Seibertron.com would be gone in New York minute.

Why do you think that? Do you think the Star Wars fansites are in jeopardy? Aren't Marvel fansites still around 3+ years after that Disney's acquisition? I don't think Disney is in business to piss off fans of established sites.

I do think watching our Ps and Qs is really important at this stage of the game. I think this is the end for 3rd party stuff though. Disney's pockets are much deeper than Hasbro's.

I concede that I didn't think about the Marvel sites, and I wasn't implying anyone trying to piss off fans. I was thinking about Disney guarding IP. I know you state on the site that it is "unofficial". Would that still continue, or would this and other fansites have to get official permission to continue with a threat of shutdown like we were concerned with if SOPA passed? Sorry, but I'm just not up on the details of copyright law.

I think Seibertron.com has a very good working relationship with Hasbro, Activision, Shout! Factory, IDW and many other companies associated with our Transformers hobby. I would like to think those relationships would continue. There is a marketing value of fansites like Seibertron.com to companies like Hasbro and to Disney. This is a large enough fansite, that we've been officially invited by these companies to many events over the past decade or so, have received many promotional items for review purposes and have been recognized in many ways by those companies. I'm assuming that they'll continue letting fansites do what they do best because ultimately it just makes more money for them and allows them a way to communicate directly with fans.

by **Doubledealer93** » Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:57 pm

if things go south i might not get new TFs. i would get old TFs i missed out on which are a lot. they would not get my money. they have enough.

by **CommanderHazar** » Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:00 pm

Midnight_Fox wrote:I saw Spectacular Spider-man Season 2(the season that originally aired on Disney XD) DVDs this morning at TRU. Marvel shows do get released on disk by Disney.

I've not seen any sign of a Season 2 release for that series in R1. Just a Season 1 and individual volumes. S2 is not listed on Amazon, and any volumes that include S2 episodes may have fallen under a previous contract for the series since, based on what I have read and remember, Marvel was bought during that show's run., and all the DVD releases I've seen have been from Sony, not Disney.

Or maybe I'm wrong. I'll even say as much if shown hard proof.

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