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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby KNM2012 » Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:13 pm

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KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:The only concern I have, however, are tied to both IDW and Shout! Factory. Both have licenses to brands that are owned by Hasbro. We all know that. So with IDW, I am wondering how this will affect them. Will they have to hand over their ReGeneration One stuff to Marvel if this is official? And will they be permitted to publish anything they worked on? And Shout!Factory - Will everything they collaborated on have to be submitted to Disney? Does this also mean that Disney will be able to obtain the animated movie? And if so, will they give us the original or edited feature?


I'm assuming that whatever deals and contracts Hasbro has in play such as with IDW, Shout! Factory, Paramount, Activision, the Hub, etc ... would all remain. When those contracts end, I'm sure they'd do whatever put (or keep) the most money in their pockets.


Hasbro actually owns a majority of The Hub, which means that Disney could decide to buy out the rest as it is a profitable channel. Plus, they could use it to show old Disney Channel shows, as well as expand their educational programs.

And I feel a bit safe for IDW, because BOOM! only lost their rights on account that those were solely Disney and Disney-Pixar properties. Plus, Disney has currently said both Marvel and LucasArts will be handled as independents. So with Shout!Factory, I also have to assume they will see the benefits, or until Disney chooses to intervene.

Plus, with Activision... I think they are safe. Disney does like licensing series, and Activision may benefit from this. Especially since it could mean them having High Moon doing a TRON game that is both fun AND playable. :lol:

No comment on Paramount, on grounds that my cat and Michael Bay share the same birthday. (Which is weird, as I was born in the same city as Jeffry Combs... And my mom was born in the same city as Steve Blum.)

And with the money... I think they will look into expanding their educational programs, maybe even offer a program to qualifying Hasbro employees. Plus, they could branch out more on art and music through Hasbro, maybe even starting a program for the two. Maybe even start classes tied to voice acting classes that have them start doing roles in future Hasbro series.

But honestly, I have to ask my cousin if she knows how they handled their money tied to their education programs, as she used to work for Disney. :-?
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby The Variable » Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:20 pm

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This actually seems to go hand-in-hand, as this combines all of the previous Transformers tie-ins, namely Star Wars and Disney itself.

I can't be for or against it until I see the results if such a merger pushes through.

But...

If it does...

Does that mean we'll be able to get more paint-apps in our figures? *crosses fingers* :-?
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby Autobot032 » Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:28 pm

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P.S. - Nick doesn't own Power Rangers, they just air it. Saban owns it and they wanted to make Samurai the way it turned out to be. But considering that they hadn't worked on that show in about a decade, it's no wonder their first go at it in 10 years was subpar. :roll:


Please don't feed trollish behavior. (Until I'm convinced otherwise, I'm inclined to believe he's trolling.)

As for Power Rangers, Saban did make Samurai (and Super) the way he wanted it. But, as for subpar? I don't think so. It was usual Saban quality, but slightly better. The special effects, the cleaner looking Sentai footage (his was always so ugly and grainy, I really don't understand it) only enhance his usual cheesiness.

His handling of the show has certainly helped toy sales. When Disney shoved the shows on XD and ABC Saturday mornings (which stations could opt out of), kids didn't really get to see the show(s). Now that it's on Nick and that's on every basic cable and satellite system, everyone can see it. RPM and MMPRv2 didn't have the best toy sales and some toys never made it to the US, or production for that matter. Now, with him in control again, almost everything seen on screen has made it to some form of toy. With more expected. And they're selling rather well. The figures and the Zord system, especially. Role Play, not so much.

CommanderHazar wrote:Still, I do acknowledge that the only R1 Transformers example we've had to go on was RiD, and that could be turned around by this acquisition. Unless Saban reacquired the rights when he reacquired Power Rangers.


Saban reacquired the rights to all seasons of Power Rangers when he bought it back. Their video release are now handled by Lionsgate.
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:35 pm

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Autobot032 wrote:As for Power Rangers, Saban did make Samurai (and Super) the way he wanted it. But, as for subpar? I don't think so.
I meant story-wise, not production-wise.
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby Sodan-1 » Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:36 pm

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Disney do like to make toys for their characters and movies, so why not buy a big toy manufacturer (which has kind of branched out to be more general entertainment based in recent times). Our world has crossed with Disney before with those Mickey and Donald transforming figures, and wasn't Mr. Potato Head in Toy Story a Hasbro product?

If a result of a takeover means we get a Transformers movie more on par with The Avengers then I'm all for it. While I won't deny Hasbro have done some things right with Transformers in recent years (the PRIME animated series, First Edition figures (sort of), letting IDW just get on with the task of writing great comics and High Moon do Fall of Cybertron, and making a **** tonne of money from the movies and repaying us with hundreds of poor quality Bumblebees), there have been quite a few times where I've felt like I'd quite like someone new cracking the whip.

Bottom line: I'm open to this, but it does seem like Disney are getting a bit carried away.
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby CommanderHazar » Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:39 pm

Autobot032 wrote:Saban reacquired the rights to all seasons of Power Rangers when he bought it back. Their video release are now handled by Lionsgate.


I know that. I just don't know how much beyond PR he got back. Did he get back the rights to everything he did for Fox Kids, including TF:RiD, as well? Just PR? Somewhere in between?

If Disney still has some of the Fox Kids/Saban library, TF:RiD might be among them.
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby Rushie » Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:44 pm

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How would this work out for the Transformers rides in Universal though? If TFs become by extension a Disney property, they'd have to shut those rides down and move them to Disney parks? On the other hand, Universal Islands of Adventure also has Harry Potter (Warner Brothers) and Marvel rides.
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby padfoo » Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:49 pm

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CommanderHazar wrote:As far as Shout! Factory goes, this has the potential to be the biggest change as far as I can see. Disney is not known for contracting out to other companies the DVDs of its properties. It is also not known for releasing its TV shows on DVD, preferring to focus on its movie properties instead. There have been exceptions, of course, but on the whole it's rare for Disney owned series to be released. That could be problematic for future TF DVD releases. On the other hand, it could work in just he opposite way, and give TF:RiD its first DVD release in Region 1.

As for the toys, this may very well be the end of my collecting if it happens. If they leave Hasbro alone to do their thing, I don't see myself changing my habits of not buying the general release figures, and focusing only on more collector oriented lines. As far as TFs go, that means third-party and Masterpiece. If Disney starts shutting down the third-parties, that just leaves Masterpieces.

Only time will tell, and I'll make my decisions based on events as they happen, and not on the rumors.


I think it's best to compare this to what Disney did with Marvel. We still get Marvel DVDs, right? Any reason to think this wouldn't be any different with Hasbro?


Yes but Marvel was a mess it licensed out a lot of the distribution rights to its properties especially film to other studios and companies. I doubt Disney has any rights to anything prior to the last few years.
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby Seibertron » Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:53 pm

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padfoo wrote:
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CommanderHazar wrote:As far as Shout! Factory goes, this has the potential to be the biggest change as far as I can see. Disney is not known for contracting out to other companies the DVDs of its properties. It is also not known for releasing its TV shows on DVD, preferring to focus on its movie properties instead. There have been exceptions, of course, but on the whole it's rare for Disney owned series to be released. That could be problematic for future TF DVD releases. On the other hand, it could work in just he opposite way, and give TF:RiD its first DVD release in Region 1.

As for the toys, this may very well be the end of my collecting if it happens. If they leave Hasbro alone to do their thing, I don't see myself changing my habits of not buying the general release figures, and focusing only on more collector oriented lines. As far as TFs go, that means third-party and Masterpiece. If Disney starts shutting down the third-parties, that just leaves Masterpieces.

Only time will tell, and I'll make my decisions based on events as they happen, and not on the rumors.


I think it's best to compare this to what Disney did with Marvel. We still get Marvel DVDs, right? Any reason to think this wouldn't be any different with Hasbro?


Yes but Marvel was a mess it licensed out a lot of the distribution rights to its properties especially film to other studios and companies. I doubt Disney has any rights to anything prior to the last few years.


Existing deals / contracts would remain. Plain and simple. I just don't think we have anything to worry about with DVD releases and such. It's just part of the marketing strategy. It's different than it is with Disney created properties.
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby Rated X » Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:53 pm

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Money cant buy respect. This would be a tremendous boost for the 3rd party movement. I just hope we wont start seeing Disney ads and products get front paged on this site.
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby Seibertron » Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:57 pm

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Rated X wrote:Money cant buy respect. This would be a tremendous boost for the 3rd party movement. I just hope we wont start seeing Disney ads and products get front paged on this site.


Dude you are a one track mind with 3rd party and KO.

But now that you brought it up ... how could this possibly be a boost for the 3rd party movement?
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby alternator77 » Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:17 pm

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Rated X wrote:Money cant buy respect. This would be a tremendous boost for the 3rd party movement. I just hope we wont start seeing Disney ads and products get front paged on this site.


Dude you are a one track mind with 3rd party and KO.

But now that you brought it up ... how could this possibly be a boost for the 3rd party movement?




i think what he means is there will be a certain number of collectors who might abandon "disbro" or "brodis"(whichever name you prefer lol!) for 3rd party stuff.truthfully i doubt it considering how much stuff hasbro moves i can only see this as a benefit to the brand. for me it makes perfect sense. having a huge franchise like star wars and possibly gi joe and transformers disney could do some really great things. as a stock holder im ok with the proposed purchase.

as far as articles on disney products if theyre tf related no big deal.
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby njb902 » Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:21 pm

Wow a lot of you do not like change do you? Me I'm psyched for this.
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby KNM2012 » Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:31 pm

Swindle01 wrote:said it before and will say it again

Disney are like a cancer that wont stop

Thanks for ruining Star wars disney....Now thanks for ruining transformers as well


So let me get this straight. Anything Disney does or buys is a cancer. Which includes the music and arts programs they have been promoting... Their education programs... And the fact that they also offer an affordable college program/plan to those who apply. All cancerous just because you say so for your own reasons... Right? >:oP

And with your claims... Star Wars was officially ruined on January 9, 1985, despite the fans loved everything they have done with LucasArts. Plus, the truth that the actual fans claim that both the prequel trilogy and poor product marketing is what initially ruined the franchise is not true, as that was a pre-Disney era. (Plus, we will skip why Battlefront III was never made, as well as why The Old Republic II was rushed.)

And with Transformers, you might as well say that TOMY helped ruin the Transformers on February 26, 2009, when they first released the first of the "Transformers: Disney Label" toys. So you might as well hate them as well for that. Plus, I guess Michael Bay also gave us the best franchise just because he does not work for Disney. Right? :lol:

It is like a friend of mine once said - "If you have to use your "fandom" as a means to excuse your bigoted feelings against anything, then you were not much of a fan." I always hoped that Seibertron.com fans are above this, as Disney buying companies that would fit their business plan is comparable to both how engledogg collects Transformers, and how Kadokawa does business.

And FYI, Disney has always stated that any company they buy will be run as an independent businesses. The only time they will be involved is when they have projects that do not alter the way that business handles things. Which means Buzz Lightyear was not harmed by them, Spider-Man was not harmed by them, Luke Skywalker will not be harmed by them, and Optimus Prime will not be welcomed by them and a whole new batch of fans. ;)
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby Rated X » Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:38 pm

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Rated X wrote:Money cant buy respect. This would be a tremendous boost for the 3rd party movement. I just hope we wont start seeing Disney ads and products get front paged on this site.


Dude you are a one track mind with 3rd party and KO.

But now that you brought it up ... how could this possibly be a boost for the 3rd party movement?


We both have one track minds and opposing views on 3rd parties and KO's.

How would this be a boost for 3rd parties you ask ?

This is my honest opinion:

Disney has an image to maintain. They would slaughter the franchise. Guns, explosions, violence, potty humor, and everything else remotely cool about the current Micheal Bay franchise would be eliminated. TF Prime would even be dumbed down to match the Disney persona. It would be solely up to 3rd parties to carry on the Transformers G1 legacy. I dont see Disney investing in anything "classics". And all this talk about Disney being some kind of superpower with the assets to combat 3rd parties is a bunch of B.S. Disney cant take on China. Disney cant even stop the Chinese market from using their own IP, let alone Hasbro's. This merge would spawn the birth of many more G1 inspired 3rd party companies. I really believe it.

I got a question. You have been a tremendous advocate for the new Hasbro and their IP rights. You stand by whoever the torch gets passed to in the Hasbro corporate chain, no matter where they take the brand. All because they posess the copyrights. If this rumor is true, will you become an advocate for Disney and their IP rights to Transformers ?
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby Seibertron » Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:55 pm

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Rated X wrote:We both have one track minds and opposing views on 3rd parties and KO's.


No ... you constantly bring up 3rd party. As in just about every topic you're in. It's very frustrating.

Rated X wrote:Disney has an image to maintain. They would slaughter the franchise. Guns, explosions, violence, potty humor, and everything else remotely cool about the current Micheal Bay franchise would be eliminated.


I take it you've never seen Pirates of the Caribbean, John Carter, or any of the other more adult side of Disney. Ever watch anything on ABC? How about ESPN? Guess what ... it's all the same as it was before. What about the Avengers or the rest of Marvel? Your assumptions only show how little you know about how Disney operates and how they've very elegantly handled other companies that they've purchased over the past decade.

Rated X wrote:I got a question. You have been a tremendous advocate for the new Hasbro and their IP rights. You stand by whoever the torch gets passed to in the Hasbro corporate chain, no matter where they take the brand. All because they posess the copyrights. If this rumor is true, will you become an advocate for Disney and their IP rights to Transformers?


If they buy Hasbro, of course. Why would it be any different than now?
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby Autobot032 » Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:13 pm

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Rated X wrote:This is my honest opinion:

Disney has an image to maintain. They would slaughter the franchise. Guns, explosions, violence, potty humor, and everything else remotely cool about the current Micheal Bay franchise would be eliminated. TF Prime would even be dumbed down to match the Disney persona. It would be solely up to 3rd parties to carry on the Transformers G1 legacy. I dont see Disney investing in anything "classics". And all this talk about Disney being some kind of superpower with the assets to combat 3rd parties is a bunch of B.S. Disney cant take on China. Disney cant even stop the Chinese market from using their own IP, let alone Hasbro's. This merge would spawn the birth of many more G1 inspired 3rd party companies. I really believe it.


You're entitled to your opinion, but I can't even begin to tell you how wrong you are.

Slaughter? No. They did nothing with Marvel, near as I can tell. And The Avengers proves that Disney isn't pussyfooting around. It was dark, it was violent, and there was plenty of humor that went above kid age. Disney just sat back and collected the money.

Transformers has a built in fan base. Very vocal, very angry. We'd riot like crazy if they ripped it apart. Like Seibertron said, you haven't seen John Carter, have you? It was unlike any Disney film I had ever seen. Swearing (God's name in vain, actually, which would've never flown had Walt been alive.), implied sexual contact, death by the boatload, it was your run of the mill sci fi/action film. It was NOT your usual Disney flick.

Plus, Touchstone pictures? Miramax? (which they no longer own) Both of those entities produced some of the most controversial, profane and talked about content in the history of film. Kevin Smith's Dogma? Controversial. Disney owned subsidiary.

You want to own a POPULAR piece of the pie. Why on Earth would anyone buy a property (or properties) only to castrate them and make them absolutely worthless? *BUZZ* They wouldn't. Disney's had some missteps over the years, but outright stupidity? No. Not even close.

As for 3rd party, Disney does have the power. They do have the money. If they really want to push it, they could make China bow down to them and help them smash these 3rd partiers into the ground. And with MakeToys being in Japan and Disney has good relations with the Japanese...well...

I won't count the 3rd parties out just yet, but it would certainly be an uphill battle for them.
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby Rated X » Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:17 pm

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Rated X wrote:We both have one track minds and opposing views on 3rd parties and KO's.


No ... you constantly bring up 3rd party. As in just about every topic you're in. It's very annoying.

Rated X wrote:Disney has an image to maintain. They would slaughter the franchise. Guns, explosions, violence, potty humor, and everything else remotely cool about the current Micheal Bay franchise would be eliminated.


I take it you've never seen Pirates of the Caribbean, John Carter, or any of the other more adult side of Disney. Ever watch anything on ABC? How about ESPN? Guess what ... there are still cheerleaders on Monday night football! What about the Avengers or the rest of Marvel? Your assumptions only show how little you know about how Disney operates and how they've very elegantly handled other companies that they've purchased over the past decade.

Rated X wrote:I got a question. You have been a tremendous advocate for the new Hasbro and their IP rights. You stand by whoever the torch gets passed to in the Hasbro corporate chain, no matter where they take the brand. All because they posess the copyrights. If this rumor is true, will you become an advocate for Disney and their IP rights to Transformers?


If they buy Hasbro, of course. Why would it be any different than now?



You got me on the Pirates of the Carribean. Thats about on the PG-13 level. No comment on me being annoying. But I will comment on Disney being very annoying.

I dont see the Transformers G1 continuity a corporate torch to be passed down from CEO to CEO to Mickey Mouse. The Hasbro that "owned" the G1 continuity is dead to me.
Many of those artists, storywriters, and toy designers from the 80's are dead now or in Hospice. I credit them as being the true "owners" of G1. Not the guys who inherited it by corporate affiliation. G1 is bigger than Hasbro or anybody who owns it in writing. It is a legacy that cant be surpressed by a piece of paper in a vault. (or in Mickey's pants) ;)
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby Rated X » Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:22 pm

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Anyone can buy something or inherit it by corporate affilation. That doesnt mean they deserve to be credited with it's creation. How many artists and designers from the 80's are still on Hasbros payroll ? Hasbro only owns G1 on paper...
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:25 pm

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Rated X wrote:This is my honest opinion:

Disney has an image to maintain. They would slaughter the franchise. Guns, explosions, violence, potty humor, and everything else remotely cool about the current Micheal Bay franchise would be eliminated. TF Prime would even be dumbed down to match the Disney persona. It would be solely up to 3rd parties to carry on the Transformers G1 legacy.
Okay... this will always boggle the mind to me, but just the fact that it's listed here like some kind of necessity, it begs the question. How, just HOW on Earth is potty humor not only considered "cool" but a vital aspect for something to be good? It isn't anything of the sort. Potty humor being a sign of "maturity", "edginess", and/or "brilliance" is a complete and utter falsehood. It is nothing more than a cheap, uncreative attention grabber of the lowest common denominator, and if it's honestly considered a crucial aspect of G1's "legacy", then I will GLADLY get aboard the Disney bandwagon if it means (however unrealistic the possibility may be) the reduction of that disgraceful characteristic.
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby njb902 » Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:27 pm

Oh gee we get to have this conversation again.... Oh goody :roll:
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby Burn » Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:38 pm

The anti-Disney rants in this thread make me lol.

Seriously ... some of you need help. I'm not saying this to be antagonistic ... i'm saying it because some of you need serious help judging by some of your reactions to a RUMOUR.

It's not the end of YOUR world if the sale goes through, there's plenty of other things in life to obsess over and waste money on.
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby KNM2012 » Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:39 pm

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Rated X wrote:Money cant buy respect. This would be a tremendous boost for the 3rd party movement. I just hope we wont start seeing Disney ads and products get front paged on this site.


Dude you are a one track mind with 3rd party and KO.

But now that you brought it up ... how could this possibly be a boost for the 3rd party movement?


We both have one track minds and opposing views on 3rd parties and KO's.

How would this be a boost for 3rd parties you ask ?

This is my honest opinion:

Disney has an image to maintain. They would slaughter the franchise. Guns, explosions, violence, potty humor, and everything else remotely cool about the current Micheal Bay franchise would be eliminated. TF Prime would even be dumbed down to match the Disney persona. It would be solely up to 3rd parties to carry on the Transformers G1 legacy. I dont see Disney investing in anything "classics". And all this talk about Disney being some kind of superpower with the assets to combat 3rd parties is a bunch of B.S. Disney cant take on China. Disney cant even stop the Chinese market from using their own IP, let alone Hasbro's. This merge would spawn the birth of many more G1 inspired 3rd party companies. I really believe it.

I got a question. You have been a tremendous advocate for the new Hasbro and their IP rights. You stand by whoever the torch gets passed to in the Hasbro corporate chain, no matter where they take the brand. All because they posses the copyrights. If this rumor is true, will you become an advocate for Disney and their IP rights to Transformers?


With all respects, but from the purchase and beyond, Marvel Entertainment and everything tied to it was treated as a separate entity. The only time Disney had intervened was with Marvel Studios, and any animated series they chose to create for Disney XD. And during the finalized acquisition of LucasArts, they announced the same policy. This is their image, and their image is to give the fans of any portion of said franchises the best... And they did that by treating any property that does not require them to be there as a separate entity.

Meaning that if or when they acquire Hasbro, you will only see superficial changes be made. Hasbro's policies will stay in tact, and Disney will not put a choke-hold on anything that Hasbro did not see as a threat. This goes for IP, web domains, and legal third-party products. Instead, they will have a chance to sell Transformers: Disney Label toys within their parks. Their influence may help product licensing and placement in North America. And we may finally see an actual, playable Transformers RPG (if not the TCG be translated). But other than that, they will not give third parties that are trying to rip-off the Transformers fanbase a cease and desist. Because as I said before, if they are not a threat, then there is no point of going after them. ;)
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby T-Macksimus » Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:42 pm

I'm sure you are all used to my negativity by now and this is going to be no exception seeing as how I was a Star Wars Fan long before being a Transformer fan and Disney's new venture has just taken the entire Star Wars Expanded Universe, close to 100 books by numerous authors over the last 20 years and effectively flushed it down the sh**er with their plan for the new movie.

I'm not only expecting nothing less if they were to purchase Hasbro (which includes the toys, cartoons, games, movies...EVERYTHING!) but I am actually expecting it to go much MUCH worse.

I'd sooner see Megan Fox do unspeakable things to Michael Bay in the opening scenes of TF4 then let our beloved franchise get cluster-***d by Mickey-@#%$ing-Mouse and his corporate whore legal team. :-x :-x :BANG_HEAD: :evil:
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Re: Disney Looking to Acquire Hasbro?

Postby njb902 » Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:43 pm

Burn wrote:The anti-Disney rants in this thread make me lol.

Seriously ... some of you need help. I'm not saying this to be antagonistic ... i'm saying it because some of you need serious help judging by some of your reactions to a RUMOUR.

It's not the end of YOUR world if the sale goes through, there's plenty of other things in life to obsess over and waste money on.


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