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Rated X wrote:Money cant buy respect. This would be a tremendous boost for the 3rd party movement. I just hope we wont start seeing Disney ads and products get front paged on this site.

Dude you are a one track mind with 3rd party and KO.

But now that you brought it up ... how could this possibly be a boost for the 3rd party movement?

Seibertron wrote:

Rated X wrote:Money cant buy respect. This would be a tremendous boost for the 3rd party movement. I just hope we wont start seeing Disney ads and products get front paged on this site.

Dude you are a one track mind with 3rd party and KO.

But now that you brought it up ... how could this possibly be a boost for the 3rd party movement?

i think what he means is there will be a certain number of collectors who might abandon "disbro" or "brodis"(whichever name you prefer lol!) for 3rd party stuff.truthfully i doubt it considering how much stuff hasbro moves i can only see this as a benefit to the brand. for me it makes perfect sense. having a huge franchise like star wars and possibly gi joe and transformers disney could do some really great things. as a stock holder im ok with the proposed purchase.

as far as articles on disney products if theyre tf related no big deal.

Wow a lot of you do not like change do you? Me I'm psyched for this.

Swindle01 wrote:said it before and will say it again

Disney are like a cancer that wont stop

Thanks for ruining Star wars disney....Now thanks for ruining transformers as well

So let me get this straight. Anything Disney does or buys is a cancer. Which includes the music and arts programs they have been promoting... Their education programs... And the fact that they also offer an affordable college program/plan to those who apply. All cancerous just because you say so for your own reasons... Right?

And with your claims... Star Wars was officially ruined on January 9, 1985, despite the fans loved everything they have done with LucasArts. Plus, the truth that the actual fans claim that both the prequel trilogy and poor product marketing is what initially ruined the franchise is not true, as that was a pre-Disney era. (Plus, we will skip why Battlefront III was never made, as well as why The Old Republic II was rushed.)

And with Transformers, you might as well say that TOMY helped ruin the Transformers on February 26, 2009, when they first released the first of the "Transformers: Disney Label" toys. So you might as well hate them as well for that. Plus, I guess Michael Bay also gave us the best franchise just because he does not work for Disney. Right?

It is like a friend of mine once said - "If you have to use your "fandom" as a means to excuse your bigoted feelings against anything, then you were not much of a fan." I always hoped that Seibertron.com fans are above this, as Disney buying companies that would fit their business plan is comparable to both how engledogg collects Transformers, and how Kadokawa does business.

And FYI, Disney has always stated that any company they buy will be run as an independent businesses. The only time they will be involved is when they have projects that do not alter the way that business handles things. Which means Buzz Lightyear was not harmed by them, Spider-Man was not harmed by them, Luke Skywalker will not be harmed by them, and Optimus Prime will not be welcomed by them and a whole new batch of fans.

Seibertron wrote:

Rated X wrote:Money cant buy respect. This would be a tremendous boost for the 3rd party movement. I just hope we wont start seeing Disney ads and products get front paged on this site.

Dude you are a one track mind with 3rd party and KO.

But now that you brought it up ... how could this possibly be a boost for the 3rd party movement?

We both have one track minds and opposing views on 3rd parties and KO's.

How would this be a boost for 3rd parties you ask ?

This is my honest opinion:

Disney has an image to maintain. They would slaughter the franchise. Guns, explosions, violence, potty humor, and everything else remotely cool about the current Micheal Bay franchise would be eliminated. TF Prime would even be dumbed down to match the Disney persona. It would be solely up to 3rd parties to carry on the Transformers G1 legacy. I dont see Disney investing in anything "classics". And all this talk about Disney being some kind of superpower with the assets to combat 3rd parties is a bunch of B.S. Disney cant take on China. Disney cant even stop the Chinese market from using their own IP, let alone Hasbro's. This merge would spawn the birth of many more G1 inspired 3rd party companies. I really believe it.

I got a question. You have been a tremendous advocate for the new Hasbro and their IP rights. You stand by whoever the torch gets passed to in the Hasbro corporate chain, no matter where they take the brand. All because they posess the copyrights. If this rumor is true, will you become an advocate for Disney and their IP rights to Transformers ?

Rated X wrote:We both have one track minds and opposing views on 3rd parties and KO's.

No ... you constantly bring up 3rd party. As in just about every topic you're in. It's very frustrating.

Rated X wrote:Disney has an image to maintain. They would slaughter the franchise. Guns, explosions, violence, potty humor, and everything else remotely cool about the current Micheal Bay franchise would be eliminated.

I take it you've never seen Pirates of the Caribbean, John Carter, or any of the other more adult side of Disney. Ever watch anything on ABC? How about ESPN? Guess what ... it's all the same as it was before. What about the Avengers or the rest of Marvel? Your assumptions only show how little you know about how Disney operates and how they've very elegantly handled other companies that they've purchased over the past decade.

Rated X wrote:I got a question. You have been a tremendous advocate for the new Hasbro and their IP rights. You stand by whoever the torch gets passed to in the Hasbro corporate chain, no matter where they take the brand. All because they posess the copyrights. If this rumor is true, will you become an advocate for Disney and their IP rights to Transformers?

If they buy Hasbro, of course. Why would it be any different than now?

Rated X wrote:This is my honest opinion:

Disney has an image to maintain. They would slaughter the franchise. Guns, explosions, violence, potty humor, and everything else remotely cool about the current Micheal Bay franchise would be eliminated. TF Prime would even be dumbed down to match the Disney persona. It would be solely up to 3rd parties to carry on the Transformers G1 legacy. I dont see Disney investing in anything "classics". And all this talk about Disney being some kind of superpower with the assets to combat 3rd parties is a bunch of B.S. Disney cant take on China. Disney cant even stop the Chinese market from using their own IP, let alone Hasbro's. This merge would spawn the birth of many more G1 inspired 3rd party companies. I really believe it.

You're entitled to your opinion, but I can't even begin to tell you how wrong you are.

Slaughter? No. They did nothing with Marvel, near as I can tell. And The Avengers proves that Disney isn't pussyfooting around. It was dark, it was violent, and there was plenty of humor that went above kid age. Disney just sat back and collected the money.

Transformers has a built in fan base. Very vocal, very angry. We'd riot like crazy if they ripped it apart. Like Seibertron said, you haven't seen John Carter, have you? It was unlike any Disney film I had ever seen. Swearing (God's name in vain, actually, which would've never flown had Walt been alive.), implied sexual contact, death by the boatload, it was your run of the mill sci fi/action film. It was NOT your usual Disney flick.

Plus, Touchstone pictures? Miramax? (which they no longer own) Both of those entities produced some of the most controversial, profane and talked about content in the history of film. Kevin Smith's Dogma? Controversial. Disney owned subsidiary.

You want to own a POPULAR piece of the pie. Why on Earth would anyone buy a property (or properties) only to castrate them and make them absolutely worthless? *BUZZ* They wouldn't. Disney's had some missteps over the years, but outright stupidity? No. Not even close.

As for 3rd party, Disney does have the power. They do have the money. If they really want to push it, they could make China bow down to them and help them smash these 3rd partiers into the ground. And with MakeToys being in Japan and Disney has good relations with the Japanese...well...

I won't count the 3rd parties out just yet, but it would certainly be an uphill battle for them.

Seibertron wrote:

Rated X wrote:We both have one track minds and opposing views on 3rd parties and KO's.

No ... you constantly bring up 3rd party. As in just about every topic you're in. It's very annoying.

Rated X wrote:Disney has an image to maintain. They would slaughter the franchise. Guns, explosions, violence, potty humor, and everything else remotely cool about the current Micheal Bay franchise would be eliminated.

I take it you've never seen Pirates of the Caribbean, John Carter, or any of the other more adult side of Disney. Ever watch anything on ABC? How about ESPN? Guess what ... there are still cheerleaders on Monday night football! What about the Avengers or the rest of Marvel? Your assumptions only show how little you know about how Disney operates and how they've very elegantly handled other companies that they've purchased over the past decade.

Rated X wrote:I got a question. You have been a tremendous advocate for the new Hasbro and their IP rights. You stand by whoever the torch gets passed to in the Hasbro corporate chain, no matter where they take the brand. All because they posess the copyrights. If this rumor is true, will you become an advocate for Disney and their IP rights to Transformers?

If they buy Hasbro, of course. Why would it be any different than now?

You got me on the Pirates of the Carribean. Thats about on the PG-13 level. No comment on me being annoying. But I will comment on Disney being very annoying.

I dont see the Transformers G1 continuity a corporate torch to be passed down from CEO to CEO to Mickey Mouse. The Hasbro that "owned" the G1 continuity is dead to me.
Many of those artists, storywriters, and toy designers from the 80's are dead now or in Hospice. I credit them as being the true "owners" of G1. Not the guys who inherited it by corporate affiliation. G1 is bigger than Hasbro or anybody who owns it in writing. It is a legacy that cant be surpressed by a piece of paper in a vault. (or in Mickey's pants)

Anyone can buy something or inherit it by corporate affilation. That doesnt mean they deserve to be credited with it's creation. How many artists and designers from the 80's are still on Hasbros payroll ? Hasbro only owns G1 on paper...

Rated X wrote:This is my honest opinion:

Disney has an image to maintain. They would slaughter the franchise. Guns, explosions, violence, potty humor, and everything else remotely cool about the current Micheal Bay franchise would be eliminated. TF Prime would even be dumbed down to match the Disney persona. It would be solely up to 3rd parties to carry on the Transformers G1 legacy.

Okay... this will always boggle the mind to me, but just the fact that it's listed here like some kind of necessity, it begs the question. How, just HOW on Earth is potty humor not only considered "cool" but a vital aspect for something to be good? It isn't anything of the sort. Potty humor being a sign of "maturity", "edginess", and/or "brilliance" is a complete and utter falsehood. It is nothing more than a cheap, uncreative attention grabber of the lowest common denominator, and if it's honestly considered a crucial aspect of G1's "legacy", then I will GLADLY get aboard the Disney bandwagon if it means (however unrealistic the possibility may be) the reduction of that disgraceful characteristic.