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Let's face it. G1 is very much a well loved franchise in the Transformers brand, being the franchise that started it and the one that many/most grew up with.

While one who devoutly loves G1 to the point where he/she scorns anything not faithful to G1 is called a "Geewunner", does there exist such a thing as the opposite: One who dislikes G1 and puts every post-G1 franchise above it? Essentially, a G1 hater?

I don't just mean that they dislike the G1 cartoon, but G1 in general. The cartoon, the toys, the comics, the 1986 movie, anything that has to do with G1 instead of a post-G1 series.

Has anyone ever come across someone who genuinely disliked G1? Or at least liked everything else better than G1?

Though, not simply someone who just bashes G1 for the sake of bashing, but who has real reasons that sounded legitimate enough to make a compelling argument against G1.

Also, if you did meet a anti-G1 person/people, how would you interact with this person/these people?

I have literally never met a transformers fan who puts all post-g1 stuff above G1. I don't think you can like transformers without acknowledging that without G1, transformers as we know it wouldn't exist. So if you hate G1...then I guess you hate transformers as a whole.

Short Answer: I don't think so.

I can't say I have. I know a few people who put a couple of series (Beast Wars, Galaxy Force) above G1, but not everything. Honestly, I never thought such a fan might exist.

I know it may sound mind-boggling to some, but I don't think it's impossible. Think about it. Suppose someone grew up liking a later series like the Beast Era, the Unicron Trilogy, the movies, etc. and did not see G1 before any of these. Then, when they finally do get to see G1 media, they do not like what they see and so go back to what they do like. I wouldn't be surprised if one found the G1 fiction (cartoon/comics/etc.) to be "archaic" or "too 1980s" compared to any of them more modern series.

In regards to the toys, it'd be very understandable to see why one who was raised on ball joints and show-accuracy wouldn't like many of the inarticulate bricks and out-of-date engineering of the G1 toys.

Though, there are some G1 things that were created in more modern years (like the Dreamwave and IDW comics, and the Classics-style toys), but I can still see an argument against these things. A non-G1 fan could go, "These comics/toys are based on an old series with characters that I did not grow up with and am unfamiliar with. If I read comics/buy toys, I want to read about/buy what feels familiar to me, like the Unicron Trilogy or the movies. I'll read/buy THOSE comics/toys, but not these ones."

It kinda makes sense to be drawn more to something one recognizes and knows about than what they don't. And if someone doesn't know much about G1 and isn't interested in it, I wouldn't see them pursuing it much unless they did take some interest in it. But it's entirely possible for them not to.

I'm one, kinda.

I grew up with G1 and loved it, I still like the characters and concepts and designs but I just grew up to dislike the following:
the toys
the original comics

Don't get me wrong, I still like the cartoon, mostly due to my nostalgia towards it, and I do understand and respect everything G1 for what it is and having started it all, but I just can't stand the old toys and the comics.
I recently got out my reissues and the few originals I still have and just looked at them questioning why I didn't just throw them away or why I bought the reissues in the first place instead of better, more modern toys which are cheaper anyway.
Comics wise (G1), I never liked them I've tried getting into them a couple of times but never managed to really enjoy myself while reading them or even care enough to read following issues.

G1 really only has nostalgic and "historic" value for me any more, for instance I would prefer it that HasTak would stop reissuing G1 toys and just focus on making better modern representations of the characters.

I always burst out laughing when someone mentions that G1 (as in 80s comics, cartoon, toys) is superior and made with more love than things like Beast Wars, Prime, Movies, Animated etc....


It's kinda odd really, but I guess I just grew out of it now.

I'll come right out and say it: I sort of am one.
In that, I lke/enjoy G1 for what it is, but tbh coming in to TFs with armada (BTW DON'T start ranting about armada please guys, I've been there, done that, got the tshirt. I know that it is somewhat hated. I don't care. It's still my faviorute series.) if I look back at G1 I can see that a lot of it was rubbish

So basically, I like it, but its really rather bad.
But tbh, at least to me, the bad-ness has sorm sort of a clunky charm I can't really imagine people having the heart to hate on much.

And also, if i came across a g1 hater, I would LEAVE THEM TO THIER OWN OPINION. Everyone must have different views on things, or, IMO, society as we know it would collapse.

Dead Metal wrote:Comics wise (G1), I never liked them I've tried getting into them a couple of times but never managed to really enjoy myself while reading them or even care enough to read following issues.

That's interesting, since I've been reading the Marvel Comics for the first time recently and found them to be better than the cartoon for the main reason that they told a story. Each issues, more or less, matters to some degree in regards to the overall story of the series. Whereas the cartoon, aside from the first few episodes, some multi-parters, some new character debut episodes, and the movie, was largely just filler stories with little-to-no nutritional value or development to the overall story. It felt to me that the Marvel Comics told an actual story, while the cartoon merely told a ton of sidestories.

Still, that isn't to say that the Marvel Comics were superior in every way. There were plenty of stinkers throughout its run. I'd say the best stuff came at the beginning and at the point when Simon Furman took over after Bob Budiansky. There were some few good issues here and there in the middle, but the best ones came near the start and towards the end. And in the UK. Oh MAN, the UK stuff rocks! The Marvel UK comics are SO much richer in story and character than most of the Marvel U.S. stuff.

Though, the Marvel G2 comics weren't of the same caliber as this. They felt kinda disappointing, being "dark for the sake of being dark" with less gravitas than Furman's G1 stuff.

Haven't read the Dreamwave or IDW G1 stuff yet, so I'm still working on that.

But there is one thing I will say the cartoon handled better than the Marvel Comics: Characterization. While Marvel did characterize some characters, the couldn't get all of them. The cartoon, however, gave personality to many of them, even if some of them were mere archetypes. Though, there were still some that the cartoon didn't develop as much, so I guess they both kinda fall short of this, with the cartoon being less so.

Still, it was the comics that made me really come to appreciate the likes of Ratchet, Shockwave, Soundwave, Ravage, Bumblebee/Goldbug, Blaster, Zarak/Scorponok, Thunderwing, Bludgeon, Carnivac, Ultra Magnus, Unicron, and others. whereas the cartoon didn't give them the great portrayals that the comics did.

ArmadaPrime wrote:I'll come right out and say it: I sort of am one.
In that, I lke/enjoy G1 for what it is, but tbh coming in to TFs with armada (BTW DON'T start ranting about armada please guys, I've been there, done that, got the tshirt. I know that it is somewhat hated. I don't care. It's still my faviorute series.) if I look back at G1 I can see that a lot of it was rubbish

I like G1 and I really liked Armada. The cartoon, the comics, and the toys all reminded me of G1 for some reason. Yeah, Armada had better art, better story, and better toy articulation, but the colors and some of the designs reminded me. Armada is one of my favorite series, right behind Beast Wars. Matter of fact, Hedgeclipperhead and ol' Grapeface are my 2 favorite Megatrons, toy- and character-wise. I guess it helps that they're voiced by the same guy.

And I still enjoy the PS2 Armada game more than WFC. Maybe FOC will change that, but I doubt it.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

ArmadaPrime wrote:I'll come right out and say it: I sort of am one.
In that, I lke/enjoy G1 for what it is, but tbh coming in to TFs with armada (BTW DON'T start ranting about armada please guys, I've been there, done that, got the tshirt. I know that it is somewhat hated. I don't care. It's still my faviorute series.) if I look back at G1 I can see that a lot of it was rubbish

I like G1 and I really liked Armada. The cartoon, the comics, and the toys all reminded me of G1 for some reason. Yeah, Armada had better art, better story, and better toy articulation, but the colors and some of the designs reminded me. Armada is one of my favorite series, right behind Beast Wars. Matter of fact, Hedgeclipperhead and ol' Grapeface are my 2 favorite Megatrons, toy- and character-wise. I guess it helps that they're voiced by the same guy.

And I still enjoy the PS2 Armada game more than WFC. Maybe FOC will change that, but I doubt it.

As far as the cartoon go, I'd say I find G1 and Armada to be about equal. Though, I hear Dreamwave's Armada comics were "amazing", so i'll be looking forward to reading them.