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Re: Do there exist G1 haters?

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Re: Do there exist G1 haters?

Postby fenrir72 » Sun Nov 03, 2013 7:29 am

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Blast Cannon wrote:I think that the problem many people have when looking back at G1 is that they're watching a show they had watched and enjoyed through the lens of a child differently as an adult. A lot of us forget, when moaning about the lack of plot or attention to detail, that this was a bloody kid's show. The overall objective was to create a damn cool cartoon about giant robots from outer-space kicking the **** out of each other here on Earth. We shouldn't expect the robot version of Apocalypse Now.

That isn't a concession that there was a lack of richness of story or character in G1, far from it. But it was a little bit more raw than subsequent series who had the benefit of looking back and using this rich tapestry of characters, names, places, personalities and sense of history that G1 by definition didn't have, they were starting with a blank canvass. The likes of Beast Wars, Armada, Energon and all the rest could afford the luxury of better plots and an 'overall story' because the universe they were working in had already been created by predecessors.

Show some damn respect, whippersnappers.


This. Most apt answer to all G1 haters.
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Re: Do there exist G1 haters?

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Re: Do there exist G1 haters?

Postby fenrir72 » Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:09 pm

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Would like to add that some of the so called hate is a "displacement" mechanism lodge by the haters to either:

1. Coverup something way beyond the actual G1 subject itself for the loathing or in some cases self loathing issues they are carrying

2. Hating for the sake of it

3. Lives for the 15 minutes of fame.

P.S. Blast Canon's last post also says it all.
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Re: Do there exist G1 haters?

Postby MartianSpyGirl1996 » Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:35 pm

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I think G1 is boring as sh!t. Terrible animation, boring stories, but cool figures. The blocky toys are charming... the G1 figures I find boring are all the new Classic/Generation updates. While I appreciate what they are and they're great for those collectors, I find all the charm completely removed and now it's just another boring ass transforming dump truck or whatever I-)
Excluding the animated movie because it's awesome, I can't decide which is my least favorite series... G1 or The Unicron Trilogy. Both badly animated, both boring, but I might say AEC is slightly more nostalgic
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Re: Do there exist G1 haters?

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Re: Do there exist G1 haters?

Postby megatronus » Wed Jul 01, 2015 10:57 pm

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MartianSpyGirl1996 wrote:I think G1 is boring as sh!t. Terrible animation, boring stories, but cool figures. The blocky toys are charming... the G1 figures I find boring are all the new Classic/Generation updates. While I appreciate what they are and they're great for those collectors, I find all the charm completely removed and now it's just another boring ass transforming dump truck or whatever I-)
Excluding the animated movie because it's awesome, I can't decide which is my least favorite series... G1 or The Unicron Trilogy. Both badly animated, both boring, but I might say AEC is slightly more nostalgic

AEC... more nostalgic? >:oP

I have to give AEC credit for getting me back into collecting; Energon Starscream & Tidal Wave all the way. I've long since divested myself of my AEC toys, but I have no regrets buying them in the first place.

I was conceived around the time the 1986 movie came out (!), but I'm still old enough to have watched it way too many times as a kid. Because I grew up somewhat past the prime of G1 toys, I have a connection to the characters rather than to the toys themselves. That's why I value Generations the way I do. Nostalgia!
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Re: Do there exist G1 haters?

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AEC is more nostalgic for me because that's what I grew up on, but I wouldn't defend any of them for a second. They're all pretty bad.

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Re: Do there exist G1 haters?

Postby MartianSpyGirl1996 » Thu Jul 02, 2015 11:12 am

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megatronus wrote:AEC... more nostalgic? >:oP

Yes, because I was a teenager when it was on. G1 was and will always be '80s crap to me. I don't really like anything from the '80s since I grew up in the '90s and it wasn't old enough to be cool... it was just old
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Re: Do there exist G1 haters?

Postby megatronus » Thu Jul 02, 2015 12:33 pm

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MartianSpyGirl1996 wrote:
megatronus wrote:AEC... more nostalgic? >:oP

Yes, because I was a teenager when it was on. G1 was and will always be '80s crap to me. I don't really like anything from the '80s since I grew up in the '90s and it wasn't old enough to be cool... it was just old

As old as your attitude? >:oP
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Re: Do there exist G1 haters?

Postby MartianSpyGirl1996 » Thu Jul 02, 2015 12:36 pm

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MartianSpyGirl1996 wrote:
megatronus wrote:AEC... more nostalgic? >:oP

Yes, because I was a teenager when it was on. G1 was and will always be '80s crap to me. I don't really like anything from the '80s since I grew up in the '90s and it wasn't old enough to be cool... it was just old

As old as your attitude? >:oP

Because replying with an attitude makes you above it all somehow? If you don't like my opinion, ignore it. Grow up
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Re: Do there exist G1 haters?

Postby megatronus » Thu Jul 02, 2015 5:19 pm

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MartianSpyGirl1996 wrote:
megatronus wrote:
MartianSpyGirl1996 wrote:
megatronus wrote:AEC... more nostalgic? >:oP

Yes, because I was a teenager when it was on. G1 was and will always be '80s crap to me. I don't really like anything from the '80s since I grew up in the '90s and it wasn't old enough to be cool... it was just old

As old as your attitude? >:oP

Because replying with an attitude makes you above it all somehow? If you don't like my opinion, ignore it. Grow up

Me? Above it all? Ha!

Ignoring your opinion, which I do dislike, would defeat the point of posting here. This would be a boring place if everyone agreed all the time, and you can bet that if I disagree with you, I'll say so. If it really bothers you so much, you can ignore me and be the "grown up" if you want.

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Re: Do there exist G1 haters?

Postby phantom1592 » Thu Jul 02, 2015 11:18 pm

I find this a peculiar concept difficult to wrap my head around. I'll be the first to admit that I love G1. For me Transformers = G1. Everything since is a pale imposter.

However, when I try to narrow it down... I'm not 100% sure WHAT it is about G1 I like??! I'm not even sure what G1 'really' stands for?

The Cartoon? It wasn't awesome and it didn't hold up well. Color and animation was iffy at best. Plots weren't great. I hated the Dinobot origin in the cartoon and preferred the Marvel comic origins to them. I really didn't like any of the G1 past the movie where they ditched the original cast... Rodimus and company certainly never felt G1 to me. That felt like the first clean break in continuity.

The Comics?? I liked the early story, but the artwork was usually worse the cartoon!! Miscolored or vaguely drawn faces and Prime was a floating head for way too long... Though this will always be my preferred Ratchet and Dinobots.

The Toys??? These were the worst of the lot. I had a few of them, but they were never good for playing with. To me they were always more like puzzles to see how fast I could transform them to actually act out scenes and 'play' with them. Some of the early ones had excellent vehicle forms and horribly articulated robot forms... The toys weren't really 'fun' for me.

I was born in '77 was I was prime age when then this came out and I loved the idea of it. I love the character design. I love the base premise and the details that went into the original story. The whole crashed ship for millions of years till the volcano woke up the ship and it repaired them to look like modern vehicles... it really captured my imagination.

I love things like MP10 that gives me the 'perfect' Optimus Prime design and actually makes the toy functional in BOTH modes. I hate switching out the designs and personalities of long established characters to bring in new characters that mean nothing to me.

For me, 'hating G1' is like saying I love Batman, but hate Capes... and Utility belts... and Bruce Wayne... How much can you update and redesign something till it's not even that property anymore?

This is where I am with things like Beast Wars (till they hit season late 2/3), AEC, Prime, Bayverse... They take some names, they take a few ideas... There always seems to be a mad dash to kill Optimus :BANG_HEAD: but to me it's just not 'Transformers'...

But I'm the first to admit that YEAH... G1 had a lot wrong with it... I just haven't seen any incarnation that actually improved on my nostalgia. :michaelbay:
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Re: Do there exist G1 haters?

Postby fenrir72 » Fri Jul 03, 2015 12:13 am

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phantom1592 wrote:I find this a peculiar concept difficult to wrap my head around. I'll be the first to admit that I love G1. For me Transformers = G1. Everything since is a pale imposter.

However, when I try to narrow it down... I'm not 100% sure WHAT it is about G1 I like??! I'm not even sure what G1 'really' stands for?

The Cartoon? It wasn't awesome and it didn't hold up well. Color and animation was iffy at best. Plots weren't great. I hated the Dinobot origin in the cartoon and preferred the Marvel comic origins to them. I really didn't like any of the G1 past the movie where they ditched the original cast... Rodimus and company certainly never felt G1 to me. That felt like the first clean break in continuity.

The Comics?? I liked the early story, but the artwork was usually worse the cartoon!! Miscolored or vaguely drawn faces and Prime was a floating head for way too long... Though this will always be my preferred Ratchet and Dinobots.

The Toys??? These were the worst of the lot. I had a few of them, but they were never good for playing with. To me they were always more like puzzles to see how fast I could transform them to actually act out scenes and 'play' with them. Some of the early ones had excellent vehicle forms and horribly articulated robot forms... The toys weren't really 'fun' for me.

I was born in '77 was I was prime age when then this came out and I loved the idea of it. I love the character design. I love the base premise and the details that went into the original story. The whole crashed ship for millions of years till the volcano woke up the ship and it repaired them to look like modern vehicles... it really captured my imagination.

I love things like MP10 that gives me the 'perfect' Optimus Prime design and actually makes the toy functional in BOTH modes. I hate switching out the designs and personalities of long established characters to bring in new characters that mean nothing to me.

For me, 'hating G1' is like saying I love Batman, but hate Capes... and Utility belts... and Bruce Wayne... How much can you update and redesign something till it's not even that property anymore?

This is where I am with things like Beast Wars (till they hit season late 2/3), AEC, Prime, Bayverse... They take some names, they take a few ideas... There always seems to be a mad dash to kill Optimus :BANG_HEAD: but to me it's just not 'Transformers'...

But I'm the first to admit that YEAH... G1 had a lot wrong with it... I just haven't seen any incarnation that actually improved on my nostalgia. :michaelbay:


Blast Canon's post more or less answers the issues you have raised. Hating is too emo heavy to tell you the truth. I mean, what did the cartoon ever do to you( in general to those haters out there and not you specifically phantom1592) to inspire such an emotion?Hate for the sake of hating? very sad indeed.

Just a cartoon. Enjoyable back when we were kids but we're all adults now (well some of us, those who resort to name calling aren't)so some of the premises don't hold out. But then again, "suspended belief" is what I say.

On my statement on "just a cartoon", well this simplistic, rife with errors with questionable QC levels animation production (same with the comic I'm looking at you Kim de Mulder :SICK: ) are the foundation/basis of all those franchise related products we are now enjoying thanks to modern engineering technology.

MP line, basically a blend of the old toy and the animated G1 show. Good were are getting BW Primal but still, most if not all are G1 inspired.

From such a "hated" mytho, G1, Hasbro and TT are still heavily invested in it.
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Re: Do there exist G1 haters?

Postby phantom1592 » Fri Jul 03, 2015 12:33 am

fenrir72 wrote:
Blast Canon's post more or less answers the issues you have raised. Hating is too emo heavy to tell you the truth. I mean, what did the cartoon ever do to you( in general to those haters out there and not you specifically phantom1592) to inspire such an emotion?Hate for the sake of hating? very sad indeed.

Just a cartoon. Enjoyable back when we were kids but we're all adults now (well some of us, those who resort to name calling aren't)so some of the premises don't hold out. But then again, "suspended belief" is what I say.

On my statement on "just a cartoon", well this simplistic, rife with errors with questionable QC levels animation production (same with the comic I'm looking at you Kim de Mulder :SICK: ) are the foundation/basis of all those franchise related products we are now enjoying thanks to modern engineering technology.

MP line, basically a blend of the old toy and the animated G1 show. Good were are getting BW Primal but still, most if not all are G1 inspired.

From such a "hated" mytho, G1, Hasbro and TT are still heavily invested in it.


Agreed on all counts. For me it's impossible to Hate G1, I just can't explain exactly why I love it :lol:

Now other things? Like Bay movies? That I actually think I do hate on multiple levels... :HEADHURTS:


I do find it interesting how some 80's shows seem to hold up better over time then others. He-man... GI Joe? They're simplistic but still enjoyable. Thundercats? Loved the characters and designs... but that show's just unwatchable now.

G1 Transformers?? Somewhere in between for me :lol:
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Re: Do there exist G1 haters?

Postby fenrir72 » Fri Jul 03, 2015 6:20 am

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fenrir72 wrote:
Blast Canon's post more or less answers the issues you have raised. Hating is too emo heavy to tell you the truth. I mean, what did the cartoon ever do to you( in general to those haters out there and not you specifically phantom1592) to inspire such an emotion?Hate for the sake of hating? very sad indeed.

Just a cartoon. Enjoyable back when we were kids but we're all adults now (well some of us, those who resort to name calling aren't)so some of the premises don't hold out. But then again, "suspended belief" is what I say.

On my statement on "just a cartoon", well this simplistic, rife with errors with questionable QC levels animation production (same with the comic I'm looking at you Kim de Mulder :SICK: ) are the foundation/basis of all those franchise related products we are now enjoying thanks to modern engineering technology.

MP line, basically a blend of the old toy and the animated G1 show. Good were are getting BW Primal but still, most if not all are G1 inspired.

From such a "hated" mytho, G1, Hasbro and TT are still heavily invested in it.


Agreed on all counts. For me it's impossible to Hate G1, I just can't explain exactly why I love it :lol:

Now other things? Like Bay movies? That I actually think I do hate on multiple levels... :HEADHURTS:


I do find it interesting how some 80's shows seem to hold up better over time then others. He-man... GI Joe? They're simplistic but still enjoyable. Thundercats? Loved the characters and designs... but that show's just unwatchable now.

G1 Transformers?? Somewhere in between for me :lol:


Bay did a great service in that it exposed TF to more fans. This will ensure the franchise an extended lifeline. But storywise and design wise, I say no evil. ;)
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Re: Do there exist G1 haters?

Postby Sabrblade » Fri Jul 03, 2015 8:35 am

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A pity that the comics are so often overlooked when they were just as, if not more, important a component of G1 as the cartoon was.

"Just a cartoon" NO! A cartoon, comics, toys, a movie, etc. So much more to "G1" than "just a cartoon". >:oP
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Re: Do there exist G1 haters?

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Sabrblade wrote:A pity that the comics are so often overlooked when they were just as, if not more, important a component of G1 as the cartoon was.

"Just a cartoon" NO! A cartoon, comics, toys, a movie, etc. So much more to "G1" than "just a cartoon". >:oP

And not a particularly good cartoon at that...
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Re: Do there exist G1 haters?

Postby tfparodies » Fri Jul 03, 2015 9:29 am

fenrir72 wrote:Bay did a great service in that it exposed TF to more fans. This will ensure the franchise an extended lifeline. But storywise and design wise, I say no evil. ;)


Why is that a great service? Transformers would have never gone fully away. I rather have a less popular but greater thing than a more popular crappy thing. All Bay has done is ensured that keep the franchise crappy for over a decade or so.

If you were already a fan before Bay's films, than I can't see anything he has done to be a service to the franchise.
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Re: Do there exist G1 haters?

Postby fenrir72 » Fri Jul 03, 2015 10:41 am

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fenrir72 wrote:Bay did a great service in that it exposed TF to more fans. This will ensure the franchise an extended lifeline. But storywise and design wise, I say no evil. ;)


Why is that a great service? Transformers would have never gone fully away. I rather have a less popular but greater thing than a more popular crappy thing. All Bay has done is ensured that keep the franchise crappy for over a decade or so.

If you were already a fan before Bay's films, than I can't see anything he has done to be a service to the franchise.


Us, like you are one of the few ostracized fans of an obscure toyline in the 80s and 90s. Being a small fanbase , well Hasbro would be hardpressed to invest more R&D in new figures.

For better or worst, Bay made TF mainstream..........meaning more suckers consumers/supporters for the franchise. Remember what happened after Headmasters? In the USA market, it was downhill. G2 reboot didn't help at all. It was after BW and later RID that TF recovered.
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Re: Do there exist G1 haters?

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fenrir72 wrote:Bay did a great service in that it exposed TF to more fans. This will ensure the franchise an extended lifeline. But storywise and design wise, I say no evil. ;)


Why is that a great service? Transformers would have never gone fully away. I rather have a less popular but greater thing than a more popular crappy thing. All Bay has done is ensured that keep the franchise crappy for over a decade or so.

If you were already a fan before Bay's films, than I can't see anything he has done to be a service to the franchise.

This is all speculation, of course, but I highly doubt the brand would be where it is today without the Bay movies. All that movie money trickled down into brand investments that are of huge value to the fandom today - IDW comics, Generations toys, Combiner Wars, video games, maybe even Masterpieces. I am not a fan of the movies, but am grateful for the way they reinvigorated the brand and gave Hasbro the leeway to target product and media more heavily towards collectors.
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Re: Do there exist G1 haters?

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I feel pretty safe in thinking that Classics (and by extension Universe, Henkei! Henkei!, Generations, Reveal the Shield, etc.) would have never existed if not for at least the first live action movie. After all, the first Classics line came about in 2006 due to the movie stuff not coming in 2007, and with Cybertron having ended, Hasbro needed some filler thing to tide us over until the movie stuff to come a year later, so they gave us Classics to fill that hole for a year's worth. Otherwise, they might have gone straight from Cybertron to Animated or whatever else the next cartoon-based franchise might have been. No movies = no CHUG.
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Re: Do there exist G1 haters?

Postby fenrir72 » Fri Jul 03, 2015 6:45 pm

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Yah! Don't hate for the sake of HATING. Wished some of us (not you tfparodies)particularly would practice what they preach.

Though it boils down to personal preference as I TOO don't like the Bayformers movie with the exception of the 1st episode and really don't dig TFA and the latest RID (wtf with the noseless faces? :BOOM: ) I am hardpressed not to acknowledge the contributions these and other shows have made to resurrecting the franchise .

Give credit where it is due I say.
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Re: Do there exist G1 haters?

Postby phantom1592 » Fri Jul 03, 2015 8:42 pm

Sabrblade wrote:I feel pretty safe in thinking that Classics (and by extension Universe, Henkei! Henkei!, Generations, Reveal the Shield, etc.) would have never existed if not for at least the first live action movie. After all, the first Classics line came about in 2006 due to the movie stuff not coming in 2007, and with Cybertron having ended, Hasbro needed some filler thing to tide us over until the movie stuff to come a year later, so they gave us Classics to fill that hole for a year's worth. Otherwise, they might have gone straight from Cybertron to Animated or whatever else the next cartoon-based franchise might have been. No movies = no CHUG.



I'm no historian on this subject... Been skipping over TF toys for years.... but wasn't the franchise headed that way anyway? It seems that was a strong push to 'reinvent Transformers' back in the day... and since then it's just been a slow orbit back towards the G1 aesthetic...

I mean, we had the line rebooted with Optimus as a gorilla. Which split fans quite a bit I heard... then we had maximals go back to autobots with Prime as a Fire Truck... then we had them go back to Prime as semi... So the idea that getting figures 'more' like classics being entirely on a movie... and the toys not in anyway reflecting those movies seems a stretch to me.

TF as a toy line has been going on forever... and even the Masterpiece line started in 2003, four years before the movie..

The movies did raise some consciousness toward the brand... but I don't think it was very good. Most of the talk from fans wasn't very postitive, and the talk from 'non-fans' was all about Michael Bay, Megan Fox and their personal lives... I never heard anyone talking about the actual characters in the shows.

I agree that the movie produced a lot of toys... but the movie toys. Which seem to clutter things up a lot. The movie is also responsile for trying so hard to make 'bumblebee' Cool and a sports car... I don't see that influence going away anytime soon. And Transformers Prime... Which I actually did like a lot. My favorite things from that branch so far.

But if the movies hadn't been made, I think there would have still been toys on the shelf, and I think the designs would still have been drifting close to what we have with classics... but that's just my opinion.
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Re: Do there exist G1 haters?

Postby LegendaryAntiHero » Wed Aug 12, 2015 5:26 pm

Yes but I find geewunners to be a louder and more annoying minority
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