Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Blast Cannon wrote:I think that the problem many people have when looking back at G1 is that they're watching a show they had watched and enjoyed through the lens of a child differently as an adult. A lot of us forget, when moaning about the lack of plot or attention to detail, that this was a bloody kid's show. The overall objective was to create a damn cool cartoon about giant robots from outer-space kicking the **** out of each other here on Earth. We shouldn't expect the robot version of Apocalypse Now.
That isn't a concession that there was a lack of richness of story or character in G1, far from it. But it was a little bit more raw than subsequent series who had the benefit of looking back and using this rich tapestry of characters, names, places, personalities and sense of history that G1 by definition didn't have, they were starting with a blank canvass. The likes of Beast Wars, Armada, Energon and all the rest could afford the luxury of better plots and an 'overall story' because the universe they were working in had already been created by predecessors.
Show some damn respect, whippersnappers.
MartianSpyGirl1996 wrote:I think G1 is boring as sh!t. Terrible animation, boring stories, but cool figures. The blocky toys are charming... the G1 figures I find boring are all the new Classic/Generation updates. While I appreciate what they are and they're great for those collectors, I find all the charm completely removed and now it's just another boring ass transforming dump truck or whatever
Excluding the animated movie because it's awesome, I can't decide which is my least favorite series... G1 or The Unicron Trilogy. Both badly animated, both boring, but I might say AEC is slightly more nostalgic
Cobotron wrote:Hey! You seemed to have attracted a wild Megatronus. They're hard to find, but boy are they fun when you catch one!
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
megatronus wrote:AEC... more nostalgic?
MartianSpyGirl1996 wrote:megatronus wrote:AEC... more nostalgic?
Yes, because I was a teenager when it was on. G1 was and will always be '80s crap to me. I don't really like anything from the '80s since I grew up in the '90s and it wasn't old enough to be cool... it was just old
Cobotron wrote:Hey! You seemed to have attracted a wild Megatronus. They're hard to find, but boy are they fun when you catch one!
megatronus wrote:MartianSpyGirl1996 wrote:megatronus wrote:AEC... more nostalgic?
Yes, because I was a teenager when it was on. G1 was and will always be '80s crap to me. I don't really like anything from the '80s since I grew up in the '90s and it wasn't old enough to be cool... it was just old
As old as your attitude?
MartianSpyGirl1996 wrote:megatronus wrote:MartianSpyGirl1996 wrote:megatronus wrote:AEC... more nostalgic?
Yes, because I was a teenager when it was on. G1 was and will always be '80s crap to me. I don't really like anything from the '80s since I grew up in the '90s and it wasn't old enough to be cool... it was just old
As old as your attitude?
Because replying with an attitude makes you above it all somehow? If you don't like my opinion, ignore it. Grow up
Cobotron wrote:Hey! You seemed to have attracted a wild Megatronus. They're hard to find, but boy are they fun when you catch one!
phantom1592 wrote:I find this a peculiar concept difficult to wrap my head around. I'll be the first to admit that I love G1. For me Transformers = G1. Everything since is a pale imposter.
However, when I try to narrow it down... I'm not 100% sure WHAT it is about G1 I like??! I'm not even sure what G1 'really' stands for?
The Cartoon? It wasn't awesome and it didn't hold up well. Color and animation was iffy at best. Plots weren't great. I hated the Dinobot origin in the cartoon and preferred the Marvel comic origins to them. I really didn't like any of the G1 past the movie where they ditched the original cast... Rodimus and company certainly never felt G1 to me. That felt like the first clean break in continuity.
The Comics?? I liked the early story, but the artwork was usually worse the cartoon!! Miscolored or vaguely drawn faces and Prime was a floating head for way too long... Though this will always be my preferred Ratchet and Dinobots.
The Toys??? These were the worst of the lot. I had a few of them, but they were never good for playing with. To me they were always more like puzzles to see how fast I could transform them to actually act out scenes and 'play' with them. Some of the early ones had excellent vehicle forms and horribly articulated robot forms... The toys weren't really 'fun' for me.
I was born in '77 was I was prime age when then this came out and I loved the idea of it. I love the character design. I love the base premise and the details that went into the original story. The whole crashed ship for millions of years till the volcano woke up the ship and it repaired them to look like modern vehicles... it really captured my imagination.
I love things like MP10 that gives me the 'perfect' Optimus Prime design and actually makes the toy functional in BOTH modes. I hate switching out the designs and personalities of long established characters to bring in new characters that mean nothing to me.
For me, 'hating G1' is like saying I love Batman, but hate Capes... and Utility belts... and Bruce Wayne... How much can you update and redesign something till it's not even that property anymore?
This is where I am with things like Beast Wars (till they hit season late 2/3), AEC, Prime, Bayverse... They take some names, they take a few ideas... There always seems to be a mad dash to kill Optimus but to me it's just not 'Transformers'...
But I'm the first to admit that YEAH... G1 had a lot wrong with it... I just haven't seen any incarnation that actually improved on my nostalgia.
fenrir72 wrote:
Blast Canon's post more or less answers the issues you have raised. Hating is too emo heavy to tell you the truth. I mean, what did the cartoon ever do to you( in general to those haters out there and not you specifically phantom1592) to inspire such an emotion?Hate for the sake of hating? very sad indeed.
Just a cartoon. Enjoyable back when we were kids but we're all adults now (well some of us, those who resort to name calling aren't)so some of the premises don't hold out. But then again, "suspended belief" is what I say.
On my statement on "just a cartoon", well this simplistic, rife with errors with questionable QC levels animation production (same with the comic I'm looking at you Kim de Mulder ) are the foundation/basis of all those franchise related products we are now enjoying thanks to modern engineering technology.
MP line, basically a blend of the old toy and the animated G1 show. Good were are getting BW Primal but still, most if not all are G1 inspired.
From such a "hated" mytho, G1, Hasbro and TT are still heavily invested in it.
phantom1592 wrote:fenrir72 wrote:
Blast Canon's post more or less answers the issues you have raised. Hating is too emo heavy to tell you the truth. I mean, what did the cartoon ever do to you( in general to those haters out there and not you specifically phantom1592) to inspire such an emotion?Hate for the sake of hating? very sad indeed.
Just a cartoon. Enjoyable back when we were kids but we're all adults now (well some of us, those who resort to name calling aren't)so some of the premises don't hold out. But then again, "suspended belief" is what I say.
On my statement on "just a cartoon", well this simplistic, rife with errors with questionable QC levels animation production (same with the comic I'm looking at you Kim de Mulder ) are the foundation/basis of all those franchise related products we are now enjoying thanks to modern engineering technology.
MP line, basically a blend of the old toy and the animated G1 show. Good were are getting BW Primal but still, most if not all are G1 inspired.
From such a "hated" mytho, G1, Hasbro and TT are still heavily invested in it.
Agreed on all counts. For me it's impossible to Hate G1, I just can't explain exactly why I love it
Now other things? Like Bay movies? That I actually think I do hate on multiple levels...
I do find it interesting how some 80's shows seem to hold up better over time then others. He-man... GI Joe? They're simplistic but still enjoyable. Thundercats? Loved the characters and designs... but that show's just unwatchable now.
G1 Transformers?? Somewhere in between for me
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:A pity that the comics are so often overlooked when they were just as, if not more, important a component of G1 as the cartoon was.
"Just a cartoon" NO! A cartoon, comics, toys, a movie, etc. So much more to "G1" than "just a cartoon".
Cobotron wrote:Hey! You seemed to have attracted a wild Megatronus. They're hard to find, but boy are they fun when you catch one!
fenrir72 wrote:Bay did a great service in that it exposed TF to more fans. This will ensure the franchise an extended lifeline. But storywise and design wise, I say no evil.
tfparodies wrote:fenrir72 wrote:Bay did a great service in that it exposed TF to more fans. This will ensure the franchise an extended lifeline. But storywise and design wise, I say no evil.
Why is that a great service? Transformers would have never gone fully away. I rather have a less popular but greater thing than a more popular crappy thing. All Bay has done is ensured that keep the franchise crappy for over a decade or so.
If you were already a fan before Bay's films, than I can't see anything he has done to be a service to the franchise.
tfparodies wrote:fenrir72 wrote:Bay did a great service in that it exposed TF to more fans. This will ensure the franchise an extended lifeline. But storywise and design wise, I say no evil.
Why is that a great service? Transformers would have never gone fully away. I rather have a less popular but greater thing than a more popular crappy thing. All Bay has done is ensured that keep the franchise crappy for over a decade or so.
If you were already a fan before Bay's films, than I can't see anything he has done to be a service to the franchise.
Cobotron wrote:Hey! You seemed to have attracted a wild Megatronus. They're hard to find, but boy are they fun when you catch one!
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:I feel pretty safe in thinking that Classics (and by extension Universe, Henkei! Henkei!, Generations, Reveal the Shield, etc.) would have never existed if not for at least the first live action movie. After all, the first Classics line came about in 2006 due to the movie stuff not coming in 2007, and with Cybertron having ended, Hasbro needed some filler thing to tide us over until the movie stuff to come a year later, so they gave us Classics to fill that hole for a year's worth. Otherwise, they might have gone straight from Cybertron to Animated or whatever else the next cartoon-based franchise might have been. No movies = no CHUG.
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