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budmaloney wrote:Smokescreen will have a connection with Arcee methinks.

Unless they pull an Aesop Amnesia, after what Smokescreen pulled in "Legacy," I seriously doubt it.

I think he's Autobot, but I also think he has his own agenda. Maybe his mission is to recover relics like Megatron's ship in flying mind?

Personally I will scream if he and Dreadwing have an encounter and Dreadwing instantly pulls a gun on him screaming "You foul loathsome piece of scrap I thought I did away with you on Cybertron!" then when the Autobots ask what is going on Smokescreen acts like Dreadwing is crazy and Dreadwing shouts "He can play dumb all he wants there's no denying he's the war criminal that played both sides creating skirmishes between enemy's and allies alike and all to get his hands on relics for profit!"

Also even if Megatron doesn't know him it doesn't mean that he isn't a spy he could be reporting to Sound Wave. I remember a show where something like that happened it was Supernatural Ruby's exact words were "I was the best of those sons of bitches the most loyal! No one knew not even Alastair!" Something similar might be going on. For all we know Megatron might know there is a spy but only Soundewave may know who it is.

Though he might be "The Fallen" I heard he'll be making an appearance and it would be a good twist especially with all newbie comments made toward him and apparent fascination and knowledge of the relics.

LordScourge wrote:Personally I will scream if he and Dreadwing have an encounter and Dreadwing instantly pulls a gun on him screaming "You foul loathsome piece of scrap I thought I did away with you on Cybertron!" then when the Autobots ask what is going on Smokescreen acts like Dreadwing is crazy and Dreadwing shouts "He can play dumb all he wants there's no denying he's the war criminal that played both sides creating skirmishes between enemy's and allies alike and all to get his hands on relics for profit!"

So, what, he's Swindle?

And, why would he have been after relics during the war if the relics didn't come into importance in the whole story until after the war was over, even after the Great Exodus?

Doesn't help that the latest episode hints at Dreadwing having not been on Cybertron during the final chapter of the war, since he doesn't seem to know about Megatron having been the one to destroy Cybertron. So he couldn't have been on Cybertron at the time to have such a confrontation with "Smokescreen".

LordScourge wrote:Though he might be "The Fallen" I heard he'll be making an appearance and it would be a good twist especially with all newbie comments made toward him and apparent fascination and knowledge of the relics.

From where/who? What's the source on this? No official outlet has made any mention of The Fallen showing up. At most, The Fallen was mentioned in jest by Bulkhead in one episode, but that was a note of sarcasm from him.

Sabrblade wrote:

LordScourge wrote:Personally I will scream if he and Dreadwing have an encounter and Dreadwing instantly pulls a gun on him screaming "You foul loathsome piece of scrap I thought I did away with you on Cybertron!" then when the Autobots ask what is going on Smokescreen acts like Dreadwing is crazy and Dreadwing shouts "He can play dumb all he wants there's no denying he's the war criminal that played both sides creating skirmishes between enemy's and allies alike and all to get his hands on relics for profit!"

So, what, he's Swindle?

And, why would he have been after relics during the war if the relics didn't come into importance in the whole story until after the war was over, even after the Great Exodus?

Doesn't help that the latest episode hints at Dreadwing having not been on Cybertron during the final chapter of the war, since he doesn't seem to know about Megatron having been the one to destroy Cybertron. So he couldn't have been on Cybertron at the time to have such a confrontation with "Smokescreen".

LordScourge wrote:Though he might be "The Fallen" I heard he'll be making an appearance and it would be a good twist especially with all newbie comments made toward him and apparent fascination and knowledge of the relics.

From where/who? What's the source on this? No official outlet has made any mention of The Fallen showing up. At most, The Fallen was mentioned in jest by Bulkhead in one episode, but that was a note of sarcasm from him.

Well I can't imagine those are the only relics and I certainly can't imagine that those are the only relics in all of cybertronian history. I also never said any history between them could have corresponded in the final chapter of the war or even on Cybertron for that matter. As for the Fallen some one else on here mentioned he might appear and seeing as how Alpha Trion is showing up it's not that far of a stretch to think that The Fallen might appear.

Now I concede there is no conection but as far as I'm concerned Smokescreen is still up for debate.

LordScourge wrote: As for the Fallen some one else on here mentioned he might appear and seeing as how Alpha Trion is showing up it's not that far of a stretch to think that The Fallen might appear.

How does Alpha Trion's appearance confirm the Fallen in any way?

Besides, the Fallen has already appeared in a flashback and I don't expect him to appear again.

Next episode is called "Inside Job" and OP is deceived? Hmmm... looking forward to seeing how this plays out.

Even though I truly want Smokescreen to be a genuine Autobot, here's another idea.

Since Beast hunters is supposed to be season 3 or a later story, what if Smokescreen IS a part of a villainous plot, but not one by the Decepticons, rather, one by the Star Seekers?

Suppose the season 2 finale involves him somehow being used with the Omega Lock and keys to bring the Star Seekers into the show. Like if Cybertron get revived but in their image, like a supposed beast-ified Cybertron that starts up a sort of "enemies hunting each other" story arc on Cybertron?

Sabrblade wrote:Even though I truly want Smokescreen to be a genuine Autobot, here's another idea.

Since Beast hunters is supposed to be season 3 or a later story, what if Smokescreen IS a part of a villainous plot, but not one by the Decepticons, rather, one by the Star Seekers?

Suppose the season 2 finale involves him somehow being used with the Omega Lock and keys to bring the Star Seekers into the show. Like if Cybertron get revived but in their image, like a supposed beast-ified Cybertron that starts up a sort of "enemies hunting each other" story arc on Cybertron?

Interesting concept

Although, I think Smokescreen's just going to sacrifice himself to revive Cybertron. As how "it doesn't end well for the Autobots."

But then they find a way out of the predicament. Go looking for more Autobots? Dinobots? I don't know.

PrymeStriker wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Even though I truly want Smokescreen to be a genuine Autobot, here's another idea.

Since Beast hunters is supposed to be season 3 or a later story, what if Smokescreen IS a part of a villainous plot, but not one by the Decepticons, rather, one by the Star Seekers?

Suppose the season 2 finale involves him somehow being used with the Omega Lock and keys to bring the Star Seekers into the show. Like if Cybertron get revived but in their image, like a supposed beast-ified Cybertron that starts up a sort of "enemies hunting each other" story arc on Cybertron?

Interesting concept

Although, I think Smokescreen's just going to sacrifice himself to revive Cybertron. As how "it doesn't end well for the Autobots."

But then they find a way out of the predicament. Go looking for more Autobots? Dinobots? I don't know.

I'm convinced Shockwave's involved somewhere along the line, probably in place of the Star Seekers. Given the viewer doesn't see Shock die; only buried in rubble as has happened to any number of characters of the course of the series. Also the comment from one of the interviews recently posted on the site here about character models, expenses, and re-using them. Flashbacks are possible, but not likely.

Also, the Dinobots and Shockwave have some history, yes?

Smokescreen wants to be an hero, right? Him dying makes lots of sense and doesn't cost the show the status quo too heavily.