Except for, you know, his failure to get the third Omega Key due to Starscream getting the drop on him, and his abduction later in the same episode. He's also cocky and reckless, and that's bound to eventually bite him in the back later. It always does with this type of character.datguy86 wrote:Welp, all this Beast Hunters info and "inside Job" have pretty much made Smokescreen an Autobot. I personally detest the character and his ability to - much like some self-insertion fan character - be absofugginlutely perfect in all regards while making the rest of Team Prime all but unnecessary.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Except for, you know, his failure to get the third Omega Key due to Starscream getting the drop on him, and his abduction later in the same episode. He's also cocky and reckless, and that's bound to eventually bite him in the back later. It always does with this type of character.datguy86 wrote:Welp, all this Beast Hunters info and "inside Job" have pretty much made Smokescreen an Autobot. I personally detest the character and his ability to - much like some self-insertion fan character - be absofugginlutely perfect in all regards while making the rest of Team Prime all but unnecessary.
Of course, Starscream could have killed Smokescreen by stabbing him in the back since that's Starscream's M.O., but hey.datguy86 wrote:At least Starscream's special brand of self-serving made the episode interesting.
He only escaped the ship as easily as he did since he used the Phase Shifter. Had he not had it (like, if he wasn't wearing it when he got captured so that Knock Out wouldn't take it from him), then he'd likely still be strapped down and cut open to have the key removed, and still be there since he wouldn't be able to phase out of his restraints and the room itself. He got away because he had that deus ex machina to get himself out and without a scratch.datguy86 wrote:Both situations which placed Smokescreen in the apt position of escaping a Decepticon Warship with three artifacts, while simultaneously angering Megatron. On a thematic level, I know this escape is supposed to be juxtaposed against Starscream's infiltration (right down to Megs and Op screaming in rage); Starscream at least has a history of complicating situations since defecting from the 'Cons. Smokescreen just gets dropped on the planet and shows up as many Transformers as possible. If there were a toy of Smokescreen around, I could at least blame [url="http://tfwiki.net/wiki/To_sell_toys"]that phenomena[/url].
It was Ratchet who detected the Star Saber's location. All Smoke did was identify it. Jack contacted Ratchet who contacted the others who went after both it and Smokescreen (who got himself captured due to his brash stupidity), and Optimus went all Spider-Man scaling the mountainside to get the sword. The most significant thing Smokescreen did there was look at it and say, "That looks like the Star Saber." The rest was done by everyone else.datguy86 wrote:Smokescreen's failures? Blasted in the back by a vehicon while chasing after the Star Saber balanced out because he still manages to discover the location of said weapon.
All thanks to the Magic MacGuffinshroom that is the Phase Shifter.datguy86 wrote:Gets kidnapped by Soundwave, which sets him up to retrieve the keys.
Yeah, Scream was just that conniving.datguy86 wrote:The whole thing with Starscream? At Starscream's speed with Red Energon I might as well blame someone for not stopping the semi that hit them. Besides,datguy86 wrote:At least Starscream's special brand of self-serving made the episode interesting.
Business before pleasure, I guess.datguy86 wrote:Of course, Starscream could have killed Smokescreen by stabbing him in the back since that's Starscream's M.O., but hey.
I hope so too. So far, his rashness got him captured when going after the Star Saber, but that's it so far. He needs to make more mistakes so he can learn from them.datguy86 wrote:I do hope you are right and his recklessness comes back to bite him, but at this point in time the fallout will be Smokescreen getting a decent character killed. Hot Rod Syndrome? We'll see.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Business before pleasure, I guess.[/quote]datguy86 wrote:Of course, Starscream could have killed Smokescreen by stabbing him in the back since that's Starscream's M.O., but hey.
I hope so too. So far, his rashness got him captured when going after the Star Saber, but that's it so far. He needs to make more mistakes so he can learn from them.datguy86 wrote:I do hope you are right and his recklessness comes back to bite him, but at this point in time the fallout will be Smokescreen getting a decent character killed. Hot Rod Syndrome? We'll see.
I think the main problem here isn't that Smokescreen is being written better than everyone, but that he's the ONLY one of the Autobots they're actually bothering to right competently at all. Everyone else is so dull and uninteresting that it makes Smokescreen seem so special, when really he's exactly the kind of character this show has desperately needed for a long time. Wouldn't it be so much better if all of the Autobots were being written with that same level of cunning and ingenuity? They're all stick-in-the-muds with their standard procedures, while Smokescreen is the only one providing any real creativity on the team. It's not that he needs to step down from his awesomeness, it's that the others need to step up their game to being as well written a character as he is. As they are, they're just boring.datguy86 wrote:Smokescreen's luck/skill is firmly in Gary Stu territory, though.
Thing is, it's because she had her hand on the lever that he had no time to stab them. He had quite a load to carry that was slowing him down, so he was pressed for time because Arcee had begun pulling back the lever.datguy86 wrote:That's the thing - he'd finished the business and pleasure would have been easy. Take a look at "Inside Job". If Arcee hadn't had her hand on the lever Starscream would have stabbed them all at super speed. Kind of like a drive-by knifing at ridiculous speed.
I kinda fine this funny since this is the first I've heard of anyone here approving of Arcee's berating him, whereas others on this board are starting to hate her for it.datguy86 wrote:There are times he's not reprimanded enough by other Autobots. And by that I mean flat out yelled at for being stupid. Arcee would the exception, seeing how she is falling into the Team Mom role. However, Team Prime is a family and Smokescreen is an outsider, so I'm not sure where Cybertronian values dictate which lines can and cannot be crossed by a non-superior officer.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:I think the main problem here isn't that Smokescreen is being written better than everyone, but that he's the ONLY one of the Autobots they're actually bothering to right competently at all. Everyone else is so dull and uninteresting that it makes Smokescreen seem so special, when really he's exactly the kind of character this show has desperately needed for a long time. Wouldn't it be so much better if all of the Autobots were being written with that same level of cunning and ingenuity? They're all stick-in-the-muds with their standard procedures, while Smokescreen is the only one providing any real creativity on the team. It's not that he needs to step down from his awesomeness, it's that the others need to step up their game to being as well written a character as he is. As they are, they're just boring.datguy86 wrote:Smokescreen's luck/skill is firmly in Gary Stu territory, though.
Sabrblade wrote:Thing is, it's because she had her hand on the lever that he had no time to stab them. He had quite a load to carry that was slowing him down, so he was pressed for time because Arcee had begun pulling back the lever.datguy86 wrote:That's the thing - he'd finished the business and pleasure would have been easy. Take a look at "Inside Job". If Arcee hadn't had her hand on the lever Starscream would have stabbed them all at super speed. Kind of like a drive-by knifing at ridiculous speed.
Sabrblade wrote:I kinda fine this funny since this is the first I've heard of anyone here approving of Arcee's berating him, whereas others on this board are starting to hate her for it.datguy86 wrote:There are times he's not reprimanded enough by other Autobots. And by that I mean flat out yelled at for being stupid. Arcee would the exception, seeing how she is falling into the Team Mom role. However, Team Prime is a family and Smokescreen is an outsider, so I'm not sure where Cybertronian values dictate which lines can and cannot be crossed by a non-superior officer.
Exactly. It's like the writers simply ran out of ideas for all the characters and are pouring all their efforts onto Smokescreen. Why can't they write everyone at the same level as him instead of making them look bad by comparison?datguy86 wrote:You're right that Smokescreen's the only character being written about, but it's at the competency of the existing characters.
Well, if he wanted to leave Smokescreen alive so he could overhear the discussion of the Omega Keys, then it could have been any Autobot he knocked out. It just happened to be Smokescreen who got to the key first. Had Smoke stayed behind to fight Dreadwing while Bulkhead went for the key, then Bulk would have been the one Scream knocked out and left alive.datguy86 wrote:In this case the writers are deliberately writing Smokescreen as untouchable.
Thank you. Can you please speak up about this in the Official TF: Prime Discussion Thread? People there are wanting Arcee to die because they don't like her berating him.datguy86 wrote:Actually, I like Arcee better as the embittered warrior. Team Mom seems more Ratchet's role. But yeah, someone needs to yell at Smokescreen. Optimus disappointed me when he told Arcee to lay off Smokescreen.
with Raf, it's understandable like you said. Though, I think that back when these episodes were being made, they were looking for a new voice for Raf since it was stated at NYCC 2011 (last year) that they needed to recast Raf since Andy Pessoa was hitting puberty. Thus far, all episodes of season 2 have had Raf still voiced by him, so these Raf-less episodes were probably made during the time of Raf's recasting.datguy86 wrote:Also, since Smokescreen has arrived, have you noticed the time with the kids is lessened considerably? Raf is understandably out of the picture due to his relocation, Miko has all but disappeared, and Smokescreen literally sent off Jack. A lot of character development went into Jack at the end of last season and the beginning of this season and now it's vanishing. While less humans are typically a better thing for Transformer series in general, there's a lot of consistency lost since Smokescreen showed up.
Fun, ain't it?datguy86 wrote:Wow. I have not typed this much about a show or game without reviewing it in years.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
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