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Cyber_Tek wrote:I recall the G1's I had and the lack of posability was my complaint about them. At least the DOTM and the other newer figures are poseable. My only complaint on the new is that Takara is selling an essentially repainted Voyager OP with a Trailer. I'm not spending over $100 to get a figure I already have just to get a trailer.

probably the worst case in a G1 live action movie...full of repackaged classics and masterpieces

Well that's just f*****g Prime!! This franchise is about to go straight down the crapper.
As an adult fan and collector I think it's time to start stepping away from these movies. When it was about entertainment and about reviving and refreshing something cool from the old days then yeah, it was cool but now that it's been done the best thing to do would be to leave it on a high note. ANY attempts made from here on out are going to be forced, they're going to be entirely for all the wrong reasons and there is no possible way that I could look upon another TF live action trilogy in a good light. I wish I could properly articulate exactly what it is that I feel and exactly what I believe will happen with this franchise but it simply cannot be done in a reasonable span of time or in a way that folks will understand or not misconstrue.
Simply put, more movies is just a bad freaking idea. Focus on the cartoons for the kids, focus on the comics, slow the monster down and gain some sense of control and continuity before it becomes a bigger mess than what it already is.

Don Murphy is a a jackass.

Grendel wrote:

Cyber_Tek wrote:

Bleak5170 wrote:

ReDPATH wrote:I just don't see a Transformers live action movie being done without humans.

Not gonna happen.

You would end up having to hope the property became useless and non profitable to the point where only some small indy company would grab the rights to it and make a movie based soley on Cybertron with no human element whatsoever and the effects would probably be meh at best.

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Agree 100%. You have to have that human element otherwise these movies wouldn't make a fraction of what they do now at the box office. Let's face it - it's only the most hardcore TF fans who want a movie with just Transformers in it. Not only that but the cost of an entire movie with CGI characters in every scene would cost more to make than is realistically possible.

The human element is what makes the movies interesting. If there wasn't a human element, there would really be no point to it all.

sorry, didn't find Sam's job interview and whining in 3 movies all that interesting personally

I'm sure most of the hardcore Transformers fans didn't either but I hate to break it to you - this movie wasn't made for you. If the people involved were concerned about the Transformers fan base, we would have had the Dinobots by now and Optimus wouldn't have a mouth. It's the same with all of the movies based on comic book heroes - they are targeted at a mass audience, most of whom will have never read a comic book in their lives. Movie-making is all about generating revenue and to do that you have to appeal to EVERYONE.

Some of the TFs fanboys don't seem to understand this. We need these movies to do well with every demographic so they keep getting made. If that doesn't happen we'll get low-budget, direct-to-video Transformers movies which would undoubtedly suck.

Bleak5170 wrote:Sweet, no re-boot. That's all I needed to hear.

QFT.

Cyber_Tek wrote:I recall the G1's I had and the lack of posability was my complaint about them. At least the DOTM and the other newer figures are poseable. My only complaint on the new is that Takara is selling an essentially repainted Voyager OP with a Trailer. I'm not spending over $100 to get a figure I already have just to get a trailer.

Its true the G1's are quite simple an almost ALL of them had zero to poor articulation. However, I've completed a collection of '84 '85 and '86 with most of '87 and '88 down and thet display so awesomely! Each one being instantly recognizable! The bright colors and mostly humanoid forms make the few cassettes with animal modes unique. I went all in on the first movie for figures. Everyone that was on the screen plus! After seeing the second movie, I got everyone on the screen, minus characters I already had (Ironhide, Ratchet, BB etc). For the third movie, I got Sentinel and Shockwave plus the Wreckers and a Dread. Now, I have over 200 movie figures and honestly, the shelves look like unidentifiable crap. They are by far, the least attractive Transformers ever made. I'm not spending anymore money on these things. I believe it was T-Macksimus or however you spell the name that said it's time to walk away from these tings. These movies ARE NOT for fans. I'm a fan. Time to do the math.

I'm not getting every single figure that comes down the pike and I can't see getting multiple versions of the same figures unless there is something unique happening with them. I can see why after 200 of them, you'd want to stop. You have everything, or near close to it.

Frankly, I don't give a damn about Megatron anymore. As long as Prime is still prime, let the movies roll on.

There's literally thousands of characters to use in the TF universe.
Hell Bring an alternate universe where the David K Megs comes alive, that would be great, yesss.

But seriously, the griping is lame, most of the Cartoon's were lame, and lets not get carried away with how G1 was. G1 was great, but it was campy, and kiddy, and made to sell toys, and that was it.
The MOvies are not only to sell toys, but sell tickets. Hasbro will make about the same in toy sales as they do from the movie being out for a week.

Don't bring people back from the dead. Hell take lennox, and crew to Cybertron with Optimus to lay waste to the rest of the decepticreeps.

Bring in some fan favorite characters as new forms, but old personalites. how about Dinobot, Rat Trap, Waspinator, Hot shot, Inferno, Alert, Tracks..etc.

So many damn characters and people are saying all the Deceps are dea, because Star Scream and Megs are dead? they were dead for Season 3, and that didn't stop them.



if they make Galvatron, I hope Bay does something with him, because cartoon Galvatron was a sniveling, cowardly annoying fruit cake that was way worse at losing then Megatron.

GetRightRobot wrote:These movies ARE NOT for fans. I'm a fan. Time to do the math.

Yes, let's do the math.

Number of People in the World: just over 7 billion.

Number of hrdcore Transformers fans in the world: estimating BotCon attendance times 50, about 65,000.

Amount of money 7 billion people have: way more than 65,000.

If you want to make legitmate money as a major corporation, which group would you target? This is why the third party makers are not making a ton of money. And these movies are all about making a ton of money. If you want a to make a G1 reboot and you aim it at the fans exclusively, you are going to make a low budget, cheaply written, extremely cliche movie that the target audience (the fans) are going to whine about because you didn't get Peter Cullen and Frank Welker (you couldn't afford them). Why bother? The same reason the Generations line continues to sit on store shelves around the world while movie toys are flying off: the target audience is too small to make a legitimate profit off of. TO my point, did you see "GIJoe: Resolute"? They rebooted that G1 franchise and low and behold, the fans hated it because it sucked. Seriously, as whiny as the people are on this forum, again I ask why bother? If you cared about their feelings before making a reboot "Resolute"-like movie, you would certainly not care afterwards. THat's why a "Resolute" follow-up was never made. And that' why, unless someone is willing to sink money into a project that will inevitably be a huge financial loss, a G1 reboot will never be released into theaters. THe math says it all: appealing to 7 billion people is always- ALWAYS- going to trump apealing to 65,000 to corporations.

ANd, contrary to the beliefs of some TF fanboys, the movie lines SELL. They sell TONS. They sell enough to quadruple the profits for Hasbro in the quarter that the movie is released. And the kids LIKE THE TOYS. THe kids. You know, the target audience?

Ugh...to think that this isn't the end of these gawdawful Bayformers!
The Transformers I loved so dearly really are dead. Oh, and I'll offer a pre-emptive 'blow it out your arse' to any sod who takes that personally

Whatever they do (or don't do, for that matter), it would be wise to take time off, give it some space, and then consider what to do after a few years. That worked for "The Dark Knight". It should work for Transformers. Some didn't like some or all of these movies and that's ok. Everyone has an opinion, but I'm sure we can all agree that whatever happens next isn't likely to be marketed to the fan boys. It will be a mass market effort of some sort.

Cyber_Tek wrote:I'm not getting every single figure that comes down the pike and I can't see getting multiple versions of the same figures unless there is something unique happening with them. I can see why after 200 of them, you'd want to stop. You have everything, or near close to it.

The sad thing is I passed on 100's of figures! When the Recon Ironhide came out, that spurred me into picking up what was essentially, a repackage. But I have to draw the line. I don't have close to everything, there are over 65 different Movie Bumblebees for god's sake, someone on this forums has like 40 of 'em, its nuts!

In response to the math genius, yes I'm a fan boy, yes I would like a G1 movie, yes I understand it is not financially sound. The movies make money for everyone involved. That doesn't mean I have to continue to partake. Thankfully, there are dozens of 3rd party companies making the products I want. I can afford them, and so I will continue to buy figures.

But these movies are bad. And the fact that people defend them is ridiculous to me. They make alot of money therefore they are good! What sheep! The human element sells the movie, you can't have an all Transformers movie! Yea, because when I go to see Captain America, the driving force for me will be his wife/boss/friend/cabdriver, anyone but the namesake of the movie.

The movies serve their purpose, keeping the brand alive. For that, I hope they make 10 movies, I just don't care to see them anymore, or buy anymore of their plastic turds. That's me. I hope this doesnt piss anyone off. If the movies are you favorite part of Transformers, great, you have a lot to look forward to. It's just not for me.

Yes, there are far too many versions of the same figures. No doubt to pimp the brand and pile up the cash. I'll collect the ones that interest me but I'm avoiding multiples of the same unless something unique about them catches my eye. As for G1 series, if they make it, someone's going to watch it. I just hope they don't put Statham in it. I cringe at the idea of him stepping out of a black transforming Audi A8 in that Black Suit, in a Transpo.. I mean, Transformer's Movie.

GetRightRobot wrote:But these movies are bad. And the fact that people defend them is ridiculous to me. They make alot of money therefore they are good! What sheep! The human element sells the movie, you can't have an all Transformers movie! Yea, because when I go to see Captain America, the driving force for me will be his wife/boss/friend/cabdriver, anyone but the namesake of the movie.

A few things, firstly i think you need to put in your opinion when you say these filmsa re bad. I dont know anyone personally that doesnt love these films for the basic action cgi fest, as ive said before there arent many action films nowadays that are any good, and the 3 films i believe are pretty much top of the charts when it comes to action films. Just because you dont like them doesnt mean no one else can, it doesnt make you right, them right, you wrong, them wrong, its all about taste and opinion.

As for something like captain america, i GUARANTEE you there will be some kind of story involving other humans in there. I am a marvel nut, and the beauty of the popular marvel stories isnt how cool the superhero is, its the supporting cast and the hero equally. Ie Spider-Man/mj/gwen/harry/aunt may. Iron Man/Pepper i could go on all night. Yes id love more TF screen time, but i aint gonna throw my dummy out of the pram because it doesnt happen. Most of the marvel films to date (if not all) have a huge human element running through them, as do 100% of movies, its to draw in the people who arent that interested in the main bits.

The driving force for the 3 films IS the transformers, but it has to revolve around the humans too, its their world, and if the main public just watch 2-3hrs of robots smashing each other to hell, they wont go back for a second, the human element is needed in something like this.

The human Element keeps it interesting, as long as they keep Statham out of it and give us a several year break before the next film, "in my opinion".

always going to be human element in it.

its cheaper and quicker to flood the movies with humans

hopefully next time round the characters story is more interesting

Pot Bot wrote:A few things, firstly i think you need to put in your opinion when you say these filmsa re bad.

Ok, IMO, these movies are bad. Action good yes. Acting, story and every other part of movie making, bad. IN MY OPINION.

Pot Bot wrote:Most of the marvel films to date (if not all) have a huge human element running through them, as do 100% of movies, its to draw in the people who arent that interested in the main bits.

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Lion King did kinda sorta ok with no HUMANS, as did Cars. Ofcourse, they were animated and this is live action. Without human interaction you would have to develop a human characteristic and quality in a non human character, which, believe it or not, can be done. People are smart enough to find admirable and humane qualities in even inanimate objects. I have an old muscle car that I could sometimes swear is a moody little girl!

I thought I clarified myself by saying if you like the movies, good, if not, its ok, there are other Transformers options. Not that anyone was right or wrong for liking these (sucky) movies.

actually, you said the movies are bad, and defending them was ridiculous to you but never mind, perhaps there have been the odd cross wires then

The difference with the Lion King, Cars (both films i actually love btw, esecially cars) are childrens films, aimed at children. An action film is totally different, im pretty sure wouldnt work in my opinion. But on another point, over the last 10 years how many action films in your opinion have had a good plot?? TF was never going to be oscar winning for its story, no action film will. Hell, look at things like Die Hard 4, (actually all the die hards, great but flimsy plots) the expendables, the fast and the furious films (cant think of any more with kids screaming round me lol), none of them are exactly well written

I can't think of any action films or action film stars who've won any Oscars. That isn't the point. If you want something with good writing and a good plot, seek out any number of "Chick Flicks". The TF series of movies isn't going to be everyone's favorite, particularly Transformer fanboys, but apparently they are good enough to be box office hits. While that standard may not be important to some, it's the reason movie sequels (and reboots) get made. It keeps the people in the biz working and believe it or not, that's a good thing for those of us who enjoy the movies. Anyone who really hates these movies that much doesn't have to watch them, but that doesn't mean that anyone who does enjoy them is "wrong" in their perspective on liking the films or taking interest in how a reboot may be done.

Pot Bot wrote:actually, you said the movies are bad, and defending them was ridiculous to you but never mind, perhaps there have been the odd cross wires then

The difference with the Lion King, Cars (both films i actually love btw, esecially cars) are childrens films, aimed at children. An action film is totally different, im pretty sure wouldnt work in my opinion. But on another point, over the last 10 years how many action films in your opinion have had a good plot?? TF was never going to be oscar winning for its story, no action film will. Hell, look at things like Die Hard 4, (actually all the die hards, great but flimsy plots) the expendables, the fast and the furious films (cant think of any more with kids screaming round me lol), none of them are exactly well written

I gotta go way back, but Snatch, Fight Club, Avatar (yes I enjoyed Avatar even it is full 'tropes and just a rehashed story) the new Star Trek (I donnt ANYTHING 'bout Star Trek, maybe ignorance is bliss)Ip Man, Serenity, Braveheart it's very early so I'm sure I could think of more. I'm not saying I want to be moved by stunning performances, but just the amount of plot holes is overwhelming.

Bottom line: I'm glad the movies happened. I am glad they are making more. Perhaps I am just a picky-ass fan boy, but there it is. I want a little more Transformers in a Transformers movie. In all fairness, humans have been an annoying part of the story since the beginning. How many times did that dumbass kid carry around Soundwave in G1? "Oh no, how did a decepticon get into the base?"! The action in the movies are great. The movie in the movie is what lacks, IN MY OPINION people. I can live with the designs (Powered Optimus from ROTF is one of the toughest looking Primes of all time IMO), I can ask no more from the action. I hope they make 500 Billion dollars and Hasbro has no choice but to continue making the Brand available.

I want to see an "Ultimate Prime" in the next one, unless that was "Ultimate Prime" who showed up and laid waste to that "DRILL BIT FROM HELL" thing that Shockwave controlled, as well as Shockwave, himself. That thing was the "WTF??" moment for me in the film. I was like, "Ok, it's over. This thing is going to take them all out". Didn't happen. Prime took care of it.

Cyber_Tek wrote:I can't think of any action films or action film stars who've won any Oscars. That isn't the point. If you want something with good writing and a good plot, seek out any number of "Chick Flicks". The TF series of movies isn't going to be everyone's favorite, particularly Transformer fanboys, but apparently they are good enough to be box office hits. While that standard may not be important to some, it's the reason movie sequels (and reboots) get made. It keeps the people in the biz working and believe it or not, that's a good thing for those of us who enjoy the movies. Anyone who really hates these movies that much doesn't have to watch them, but that doesn't mean that anyone who does enjoy them is "wrong" in their perspective on liking the films or taking interest in how a reboot may be done.

gladiator was action based

district nine was nominated

also nominated
The Adventures of Robin Hood (1938), Airport (1970), The Towering Inferno (1974), Jaws (1975), Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981), The Right Stuff (1983), and The Fugitive (1993).


not that oscars mean much anyway

i think its limiting to say, its an action flick about robots, look for good wrting and plotting elsewhere

My comment was really about someone else complaining that the writing wasn't very good in this movie (and probably the other two as well). I never complained about the writing in any of these movies. My point is that most people who are into action movies, probably don't go to see these movies for their writing quality. Either way, it's a mute point because the Movie studio achieved what they wanted with this film- High ticket sales. That's what really matters to the studio. These movies aren't going to please everyone, but obviously a large number of people went to see these movies and it likely wasn't due to great writing. Let's be real. The special effects are what really sells this movie, especially in theaters where it can be seen in 3D.

Cyber_Tek wrote:My point is that most people who are into action movies, probably don't go to see these movies for their writing quality. Either way, it's a mute point because the Movie studio achieved what they wanted with this film- High ticket sales. That's what really matters to the studio. These movies aren't going to please everyone, but obviously a large number of people went to see these movies and it likely wasn't due to great writing. Let's be real. The special effects are what really sells this movie, especially in theaters where it can be seen in 3D.

Agreed on all counts.

GetRightRobot wrote:

Cyber_Tek wrote:My point is that most people who are into action movies, probably don't go to see these movies for their writing quality. Either way, it's a mute point because the Movie studio achieved what they wanted with this film- High ticket sales. That's what really matters to the studio. These movies aren't going to please everyone, but obviously a large number of people went to see these movies and it likely wasn't due to great writing. Let's be real. The special effects are what really sells this movie, especially in theaters where it can be seen in 3D.

Agreed on all counts.

i dotn disagree

to be fair i cant judge them fairly

if it wasnt transformers i probably wouldnt go see them after the first one and the fact that bay directed them. he got my money because of the franchise. The writing and plot obviously didnt matter.

like i liked Gi Joe as a kid but i didnt go to see the movie in the flicks.

Transformers has that hold, like star wars and batman for me.

if it was a franchise i didnt care about then yes i would care about plot and story more