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Starscream GaGa wrote:Ironhide had character development? What? All the robots in the films (and most Transformer franchises, pretty much only excluding Animated and a little Rodimus in G1) have gotten no development at all.

Ignorance is bliss...

I'd go into detail about thier detail, but if you haven't goten it at this point then you either won't get it, or are refusing to see it.

5150 Cruiser wrote:

Starscream GaGa wrote:Ironhide had character development? What? All the robots in the films (and most Transformer franchises, pretty much only excluding Animated and a little Rodimus in G1) have gotten no development at all.

Ignorance is bliss...

I'd go into detail about thier detail, but if you haven't goten it at this point then you either won't get it, or are refusing to see it.

Translation:
"I have no proper argument, so I'm gonna act like I'm smart and elite when really I am the opposite".

Thanks for your input. it was a little harsh for me to say bar Animated and a little Rodimus G1, as I wasn't even thinking about Beast era and comics, but there IS NO DEVELOPMENT FOR ROBOTS in the movies.

Okay, well...

If Ironhide WAS gonna die (though I hope not), they could at least give him a big finish, to remember

Like "fighting 'till the last drop of energon"
or "fighting the main villain and, while being successful at first, in the end somehow overcome and mercilessly killed"
or "protecting friends from the D'Cons and getting a fatal shot"

'Cause he's a cool character; he shouldn't be just killed of without it even shown or mentioned. Also, IF he'd be killed, he should have at least some sort of remembral ceremony; not like with Jazz.

Ironhides' fighting style, in TF1, was a big technological advancement for Ironhides' everywhere, and says a LOT about what other oldies like Kup "have seen" and have got hidden up their sleeves.
Tho I didn't consider his Tumbling act to be his ONLY fighting style when I first saw it, but instead thought "just something he picked up elsewhere and applied to the Cityfight in order to balance out events-the point of a veterans' knowledge", they kinda stuck with it.
Compared to the follow-up fighting styles as featured in Sideswipe and now Optimus SupaDupa Hulk "Hollywood" Prime and most likely the wreckers, I can see him getting superceded.
Compared to the rest, his signature diving&tumbling can now be treated as erratic and even eccentric: Where it once served to Smokescreen Ratchet and the others from enemy targeting, he's now liable to stray into friendly fire lanes and even crash land into friendly fireteams or other allies trying to maneuvre.
He deserves some close combat airtime, regardless of who they kill off..

Starscream GaGa wrote:

5150 Cruiser wrote:

Starscream GaGa wrote:Ironhide had character development? What? All the robots in the films (and most Transformer franchises, pretty much only excluding Animated and a little Rodimus in G1) have gotten no development at all.

Ignorance is bliss...

I'd go into detail about thier detail, but if you haven't goten it at this point then you either won't get it, or are refusing to see it.

Translation:
"I have no proper argument, so I'm gonna act like I'm smart and elite when really I am the opposite".

And I agree, mostly with G1 Rodimus. (Like you didn't see that coming.) But I think Beast Wars is the best written TF continuity to date. Yeah, the Bay movies have no character development, and only the 2007 movie has a good story. Credit goes mostly to Orci and Kurtzman, not Bay. Bay did good with what he had.

If he does "cop a packet" I hope he does better than Jazz.I was disgusted at the way Jazz checked out....he is one of my all time faves.

I also didnt relaise that the Arcee bikes died......

yeah i didnt think all three arcee bikes died, i thought 2 bit it hard, and one just looked wounded...

as for a T3 death oh please, please let it be bumblebee! oh gods PLEEEEEEEEEASE let it be bumblebee. hopefully he dies falling down stairs or slipping in the bath tub... i just cant take BB saviour of the universe ultimate superhero action any more...

shadowynne wrote:as for a T3 death oh please, please let it be bumblebee! oh gods PLEEEEEEEEEASE let it be bumblebee. hopefully he dies falling down stairs or slipping in the bath tub... i just cant take BB saviour of the universe ultimate superhero action any more...

WORD.

Alas, I'd heard from a fairly reliable source that it IS 'Hide, and he dies, and it's a total blow off scene, no great big moment of angst, but about as ZOOOMBAM as the Arcees.

HK, friend: I so hope you're lying to me.

Starscream GaGa wrote:

5150 Cruiser wrote:

Starscream GaGa wrote:Ironhide had character development? What? All the robots in the films (and most Transformer franchises, pretty much only excluding Animated and a little Rodimus in G1) have gotten no development at all.

Ignorance is bliss...

I'd go into detail about their detail, but if you haven't gotten it at this point then you either won't get it, or are refusing to see it.

Translation:
"I have no proper argument, so I'm gonna act like I'm smart and elite when really I am the opposite".

Negative ghost rider. The fact is this argument has gone on time and time again since the first movie. Rarely does it ever result in changing the opposites opinion, and given your first post, as well as your response, i doubt anything i say would change that. But to humor myself, I'll play.

Starscream GaGa wrote:
Thanks for your input. it was a little harsh for me to say bar Animated and a little Rodimus G1, as I wasn't even thinking about Beast era and comics, but there IS NO DEVELOPMENT FOR ROBOTS in the movies.

Admittedly, compared to most other TF universe, character development in the movies is weak. Though more present in some than others, it is their.

I'm not going to go into full detail for each bot that did have development. I don't have the time for that. But people starting post complaining about Optimus being to "blood thirsty", or claiming the twins were a racial stereo type, or BB radio voice being overly played.. These are signs of development. Whether people liked them or not is irrelevant. You don't get this much hype over a Characters that don't have development. So while you may not see it, or don't have the connection with the characters would like, it was there.

5150 Cruiser wrote:

Starscream GaGa wrote:

5150 Cruiser wrote:

Starscream GaGa wrote:Ironhide had character development? What? All the robots in the films (and most Transformer franchises, pretty much only excluding Animated and a little Rodimus in G1) have gotten no development at all.

Ignorance is bliss...

I'd go into detail about their detail, but if you haven't gotten it at this point then you either won't get it, or are refusing to see it.

Translation:
"I have no proper argument, so I'm gonna act like I'm smart and elite when really I am the opposite".

Negative ghost rider. The fact is this argument has gone on time and time again since the first movie. Rarely does it ever result in changing the opposites opinion, and given your first post, as well as your response, i doubt anything i say would change that. But to humor myself, I'll play.

Starscream GaGa wrote:
Thanks for your input. it was a little harsh for me to say bar Animated and a little Rodimus G1, as I wasn't even thinking about Beast era and comics, but there IS NO DEVELOPMENT FOR ROBOTS in the movies.

Admittedly, compared to most other TF universe, character development in the movies is weak. Though more present in some than others, it is their.

I'm not going to go into full detail for each bot that did have development. I don't have the time for that. But people starting post complaining about Optimus being to "blood thirsty", or claiming the twins were a racial stereo type, or BB radio voice being overly played.. These are signs of development. Whether people liked them or not is irrelevant. You don't get this much hype over a Characters that don't have development. So while you may not see it, or don't have the connection with the characters would like, it was there.

I agree with you on many levels.