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Re: Editorial: Has the term "CHUG" become obsolete?

Postby njb902 » Thu Jul 11, 2013 8:49 am

That's an interesting thought Sabrblade, though I think you might have broken my HAL when it tried to explain it to me.
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Re: Editorial: Has the term "CHUG" become obsolete?

Postby GuyIncognito » Thu Jul 11, 2013 8:58 am

ScottyP wrote:Just call it all Classics and you're done :)



I don't agree with that, because "Classics" has traditionally referred to a specific line. First there was Classics BB. Then they repainted it and released it as RTS Bumblebee. We've also got Generations BB (from the WFC line) and the upcoming IDW Generations BB. If you call them all "Classics", then how do you distinguish between the actual "Classics BB" and the others? That's why I prefer Classics-verse: we need a way to distinguish between the original Classics line and the follow-up lines.
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Re: Editorial: Has the term "CHUG" become obsolete?

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:11 am

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GuyIncognito wrote:
ScottyP wrote:Just call it all Classics and you're done :)



I don't agree with that, because "Classics" has traditionally referred to a specific line. First there was Classics BB. Then they repainted it and released it as RTS Bumblebee. We've also got Generations BB (from the WFC line) and the upcoming IDW Generations BB. If you call them all "Classics", then how do you distinguish between the actual "Classics BB" and the others? That's why I prefer Classics-verse: we need a way to distinguish between the original Classics line and the follow-up lines.
The thing about "Classicsverse", though, is that that term is already officially used to refer to the world of the Classics comics and prose stories from Fun Publications. "The New World", "Crossing Over", "Games of Deception", "At Fight End", etc.

What's more is that there are some "Classics-style" toys that these works of fiction chose to not use, opting instead for the G1 bodies. But then there are other things like Wings Universe and IDW that do use some of the "Classics-style" toys that the actual Classicsverse itself doesn't use, like Universe Prowl (IDW) or Universe Galvatron (Wings Universe). Thus making the term "Classicsverse" a bit of a misnomer when strictly speaking of the toys.
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Re: Editorial: Has the term "CHUG" become obsolete?

Postby robotmel » Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:25 am

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I have hated the term 'CHUG' since it started being used not only here but other fansite forums, even Ebay listings! [-(
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Re: Editorial: Has the term "CHUG" become obsolete?

Postby xyl360 » Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:41 am

Sabrblade wrote:As an aside, though, both the Classics and Universe lines were guilty of cheating with this plan here and there, by using a few existing toy molds from the Unicron Trilogy to represent updates to certain classic characters, instead of giving every single character a new toy mold. However, since the original Classics line had been developed so near to the Unicron Trilogy, I'd argue that the aesthetics of the select UT molds used in both the Classics and Universe lines weren't too far off from the Classics/Universe aesthetic to be so jarring as to make the UT molds each line use look too far out of place with the proper Classics/Universe molds.

Don't forget the Beast Wars cheats like Silverbolt and Optimus Primal (new decos, but same molds, just as with the UT toys).
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Re: Editorial: Has the term "CHUG" become obsolete?

Postby Dead Metal » Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:48 am

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CHUG never worked, why? Simple:
Universe 2008 wasn't a continuation of Classics. It was an umbrella line. If you take a look at the packaging, each toy had a special series denominator under or over their names stating to what series they belonged.
Examples:
Deluxe Starscream (the Classics mold repaint) was labeled as "Generation 1 Series"
Voyager Inferno was labeled as "Generation 2 Series"
Deluxe Galvatron was labeled as "Classic Series"
Deluxe Hot-Shot was labeled as "Armada Series"
Deluxe Cheetor as "Beast Wars Series"
Ultra Bruticus was "Robots in Disguise series"

So basically the show accurate stuff (minus the odd exceptions) are officially part of the series they originated from, while the re-imagined new take stuff are Classics.

So if you wanted to be anal about it and only have actual Classics in your collection, you couldn't use Universe Starscream, Inferno, and Cyclonus (which was also labeled as Generation 1).
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Re: Editorial: Has the term "CHUG" become obsolete?

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:49 am

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xyl360 wrote:Don't forget the Beast Wars cheats like Silverbolt and Optimus Primal (new decos, but same molds, just as with the UT toys).
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Re: Editorial: Has the term "CHUG" become obsolete?

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:01 am

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xyl360 wrote:Don't forget the Beast Wars cheats like Silverbolt and Optimus Primal (new decos, but same molds, just as with the UT toys).
I think you're thinking of the wrong Universe line.


The Universe 2003 line is not the same as the 2008 one. 2003 only had repaints and was similar to the current Timelines. 2008 is the Classics look-a-like. That's why I always put the year behind the line.
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Re: Editorial: Has the term "CHUG" become obsolete?

Postby xyl360 » Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:10 am

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
xyl360 wrote:Don't forget the Beast Wars cheats like Silverbolt and Optimus Primal (new decos, but same molds, just as with the UT toys).
I think you're thinking of the wrong Universe line.


The Universe 2003 line is not the same as the 2008 one. 2003 only had repaints and was similar to the current Timelines. 2008 is the Classics look-a-like. That's why I always put the year behind the line.

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Re: Editorial: Has the term "CHUG" become obsolete?

Postby Autobot032 » Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:14 am

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I have no problem with CHUG. That said, I just refer to them as Generations. That's my thing, how I see it. Nothing wrong with that, nor will the world stop spinning.
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Re: Editorial: Has the term "CHUG" become obsolete?

Postby xyl360 » Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:24 am

Autobot032 wrote:I have no problem with CHUG. That said, I just refer to them as Generations. That's my thing, how I see it. Nothing wrong with that, nor will the world stop spinning.

Agreed. I don't think it makes any difference what we call them, especially considering the fact that I know what you mean when you say 'Generations' and I also know what other collectors mean when they say 'CHUG' or 'Classics'. What Funpub, Takara, Hasbro, IDW or anyone else have done with the molds/characters is irrelevant just as long as those involved in the conversation understand what the term means as defined by the speaker.

This was a nice editorial/philosophical analysis, but I believe the term is still far from being 'obsolete', especially when collectors still refer to their 'CHUG shelves', 'Classics shelves' or 'Generations shelves' etc., even when shoehorning in figures from other lines (or even third party figures). Heck, that common practice alone would render such terms obsolete if official branding/official lines etc. had anything to do with it, but that's not how such collectors see it, and since 'CHUG' itself is not an 'official' term, but one used exclusively by collectors to define a certain set of toys/aesthetics/whatever, I don't think it much matters what the 'official' companies have done with the terms used in the acronym. If it did matter, then this would have been brought up as soon as people started using FP's City Commander, Warbot Defender, Bruticus add-ons and the countless other 3rd party figures that many count amongst their 'CHUG' collections, but it didn't.
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Re: Editorial: Has the term "CHUG" become obsolete?

Postby Seibertron » Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:47 am

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The term "CHUG" is a silly name a handful of fans use (in relation to the fandom as a whole) but I don't think that term ever really took hold. I've never used it. ScottyP sums up my thoughts best ... just call all of this Classics and you're done, which is what I've been doing since 2006. Has anyone actually had a conversation with someone in person where they actually refer to the G1 inspired toys from the past 7 years as CHUG and actually said "CHUG" out loud?

The term "CHUG" has only been used in 7 news articles on Seibertron.com out of 26,422. 2 of those times "chug" was used as the actual word chug (as in "to chug" or "he chuggs" or "chug.com"). I don't think this term ever had mainstream status, at least not around here in this part of the fandom.
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Re: Editorial: Has the term "CHUG" become obsolete?

Postby Seibertron » Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:50 am

Motto: "Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly; the ill deeds along with the good, and let me be judged accordingly. The rest ... is silence."
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The word "chug" (whether as an acronym or as something a person does) has been used 600 times on the Seibertron.com Energon Pub forums, including the use of the word in this topic about the very word itself.

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In comparison, the word "classics" has been used over 20,700 times.
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Re: Editorial: Has the term "CHUG" become obsolete?

Postby Razorclaw0000 » Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:05 am

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It's also a nauseatingly racist term and people should be ashamed of themselves:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=chug

I've been correcting people since the term appeared, but nobody listens to me.

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Re: Editorial: Has the term "CHUG" become obsolete?

Postby Seibertron » Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:09 am

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Razorclaw0000 wrote:It's also a nauseatingly racist term and people should be ashamed of themselves:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=chug

I've been correcting people since the term appeared, but nobody listens to me.

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Interesting. I've never heard of that usage before. Hm.
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Re: Editorial: Has the term "CHUG" become obsolete?

Postby njb902 » Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:14 am

Razorclaw0000 wrote:It's also a nauseatingly racist term and people should be ashamed of themselves:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=chug

I've been correcting people since the term appeared, but nobody listens to me.

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Well you are a admin/moderator on this site aren't you? Use that as your bully pulpit.
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Re: Editorial: Has the term "CHUG" become obsolete?

Postby GuyIncognito » Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:15 am

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
xyl360 wrote:Don't forget the Beast Wars cheats like Silverbolt and Optimus Primal (new decos, but same molds, just as with the UT toys).
I think you're thinking of the wrong Universe line.


The Universe 2003 line is not the same as the 2008 one. 2003 only had repaints and was similar to the current Timelines. 2008 is the Classics look-a-like. That's why I always put the year behind the line.


That's why the 2008 Universe line is usually referred to as "Universe 2.0". Or, at least, it used to be. I don't see that term much anymore.

Unless I'm mistaken, the "U" in "CHUG" only referred to Universe 2.0, not the original Universe line.
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Re: Editorial: Has the term "CHUG" become obsolete?

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:21 am

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GuyIncognito wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
xyl360 wrote:Don't forget the Beast Wars cheats like Silverbolt and Optimus Primal (new decos, but same molds, just as with the UT toys).
I think you're thinking of the wrong Universe line.


The Universe 2003 line is not the same as the 2008 one. 2003 only had repaints and was similar to the current Timelines. 2008 is the Classics look-a-like. That's why I always put the year behind the line.


That's why the 2008 Universe line is usually referred to as "Universe 2.0". Or, at least, it used to be. I don't see that term much anymore.

Unless I'm mistaken, the "U" in "CHUG" only referred to Universe 2.0, not the original Universe line.


And my main beef with "2.0" is that the full name could be "Universe 2.0: Classics 2.0" :lol:
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Re: Editorial: Has the term "CHUG" become obsolete?

Postby GuyIncognito » Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:28 am

Can we all agree that Hasbro does some stupid things with the naming of their lines and sub-lines?

We already have two completely separate and totally different "Universe" lines, as well as two completely separate and totally different "Robots in Disguise" lines. I also thought "Prime" was a terrible name for a TF line, as it results in reference to "Prime Optimus Prime" and "Prime Megatron". "HFTD" and "RTS" were such small lines they shouldn't even have been given names. HFTD figures should have just be released under ROTF, and RTS should have been Generations. Then, within Generations, you have WFC figures which were simply labelled as "Generations", and FoC figures where are labelled as "Generations Fall of Cybertron".
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Re: Editorial: Has the term "CHUG" become obsolete?

Postby ScottyP » Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:31 am

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Re: Editorial: Has the term "CHUG" become obsolete?

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:34 am

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ScottyP wrote:We could apply "CHUG" logic to TF: Prime toys.

TFPFERIDBH

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Re: Editorial: Has the term "CHUG" become obsolete?

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:36 am

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GuyIncognito wrote:Can we all agree that Hasbro does some stupid things with the naming of their lines and sub-lines?


I can agree to that. 8)
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Re: Editorial: Has the term "CHUG" become obsolete?

Postby GuyIncognito » Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:37 am

Sabrblade wrote:
ScottyP wrote:We could apply "CHUG" logic to TF: Prime toys.

TFPFERIDBH

:lol:
TFPFERIDDEBHPSG. ;)


You forgot to put an "AM" in there somewhere. (If Henkei is included in CHUG we have to include Arms Micron in TFPFERIDDEBHPSG.)

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Re: Editorial: Has the term "CHUG" become obsolete?

Postby njb902 » Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:48 am

Sabrblade wrote:
ScottyP wrote:We could apply "CHUG" logic to TF: Prime toys.

TFPFERIDBH

:lol:
TFPFERIDDEBHPSG. ;)



Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I hate acronyms :BANG_HEAD:
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Re: Editorial: Has the term "CHUG" become obsolete?

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Jul 11, 2013 12:26 pm

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GuyIncognito wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
ScottyP wrote:We could apply "CHUG" logic to TF: Prime toys.

TFPFERIDBH

:lol:
TFPFERIDDEBHPSG. ;)


You forgot to put an "AM" in there somewhere. (If Henkei is included in CHUG we have to include Arms Micron in TFPFERIDDEBHPSG.)

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