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Re: Ehren Kruger Confirmed as TF4 Writer

Postby TheForgottenTaxi » Thu Apr 26, 2012 3:42 pm

Burn wrote:So yes, Orci and Kurtzman were very much the problem. They couldn't come up with an original idea between them. Take a look at their track record of writing and see that their big "successes" are based on franchises that have decades of mythology.


Riiiight. Which obviously makes them a terrible choice to work on this franchise with decades of mythology.
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Re: Ehren Kruger Confirmed as TF4 Writer

Postby Autobot032 » Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:10 pm

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I...had to. I was compelled. It was there, begging me to do it.

TheForgottenTaxi wrote:I don't get all the hate for Orci and Kurtzman. I think Transformers Prime proves that they were not the problem.

Anyway, this is just another sign that we're in for more of the same crap with TF4. All I can say about that is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YxChiuA398


Oh no. Prime does prove they are the problem. I love Prime, I think it's an excellent series, but it has flaws. Many of which can be seen in the movies.

I've gone over it in detail before, but here's the Cliff Notes version:

TF1: Boring. Some of that was due to cost, but some of it was due to their writing. They can drag out a story like crazy.
TF2: Some of the zaniness came from Bay's input, I don't deny that, but seriously, you could tell which parts belonged to them and which ones didn't. (The boring segments were their's.)
The Legend Of Zorro: B O R I N G. And waaaay too long. When the movie was like 50% over, it felt like the end of the movie. He had rescued his son, story was over. Right? WRONG. Another hour, maybe even 1.5 to go. Egads.
Star Trek: Kirk, a klutz? Really? The guy couldn't keep himself from going over a cliff. He was either narrowly escaping death on one, or dangling from it. And he couldn't fight worth a damn. Really? REALLY?
Hawaii Five-0: Great show. Draggy episodes, story arcs going on for too long, people getting offed when there's no need, other episodes are hollow and rushed.

And then we get to Prime. Rushed episodes, hollow episodes, draggy episodes, characters getting offed for no good reason, arcs going on for far too long, abrupt endings, and a clip show already? Really? No excuse.

The only good work they've done was Mission: Impossible III. It was entertaining, it was fast paced and wasn't a bad story. I think the thrill and fame went to their heads.

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TheForgottenTaxi wrote:I don't get all the hate for Orci and Kurtzman. I think Transformers Prime proves that they were not the problem.


Agreed. They wrote the first movie which I absolutely loved. And we all know how awesome TF Prime is. I have zero problem with those two.


They're not writing TF Prime though. They're simply only producers. If we're going to give credit to producers then people should either be forming a lynch mob for, or think the sun shines out of Don Murphy's butt.

So yes, Orci and Kurtzman were very much the problem. They couldn't come up with an original idea between them. Take a look at their track record of writing and see that their big "successes" are based on franchises that have decades of mythology.


And they're still a problem, at least for Prime. People seem to think that producers don't have much input or power, but they actually do. They let them loose on TF1 and ROTF. It showed. People blame Bay for so much, but people overlook O & K. I just don't understand why.

I have to admit, Prime, on the whole, is leaps and bounds better than the film series. It really is, but it has imperfections and they need to be addressed.
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Re: Ehren Kruger Confirmed as TF4 Writer

Postby MINDVVIPE » Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:30 pm

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Autobot032 wrote:What you just said.


I actually agree with you. Wow. haha. The prime shows do have flaws that I hope they fix in some form. It is why I can understand MegatronWolf wanting a reboot. It still has some dragginess that tends to put me off, story-wise. I love the characters, and their dialogue, but I sometimes feel the very core of the story needs something more... surprising. Inside Unicron was awesome, but Unicrons death somehow didn't feel right, even though its obvious that was how he might die, from unleashing the Matrix. Still, felt like Unicron allowed it to easily, and thats sort of the problem I see similar to the movies. Things come to a conclusion in a sort of... formulaic way? running out of time way? I dunno.

A good example of Unicron battling the mere mortal Cybertronians and such is found in the Marvel TF Comics (forgot the issue number) called "The end?" One of the few older comics I own in hard copy, and pretty much the entire comic is a battle against Unicron. He even goes up again the Dark Matrix or something like that? Pretty sick stuff, check it out if you can.

Either way, Prime is waaaay better than the flicks. :SICK:
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Re: Ehren Kruger Confirmed as TF4 Writer

Postby YRQRM0 » Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:10 pm

Dang...I just don't see how they can squeeze out another decent movie...everyone's DEAD.

And yes, I did say the others were decent, but no doubt flawed.
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Re: Ehren Kruger Confirmed as TF4 Writer

Postby Autobot032 » Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:13 am

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MINDVVIPE wrote:Either way, Prime is waaaay better than the flicks. :SICK:


Well...SHYEAH!
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Re: Ehren Kruger Confirmed as TF4 Writer

Postby autobotOG » Fri Apr 27, 2012 9:08 am

SlyTF1 wrote:
synthetik wrote:I know this thing is being greenlit for making dosh but can we stop dragging TF's good name through puddles of shit mud? Call it something else, give it some cool lore than hasbro can sell TFs and "insert shitty bayformer robot title here".

It took me a year or so to finally watch dark side of the moon and I was ashamed to be a TF fan afterwards.


Oh well.

autobotOG wrote: Yes, there were the obvious plotholes (especially in revenge)


No there weren't.



No? So you don't think the fact that Megatron could be reanimated with a shard from the allspark, but it was necessary to travel to Egypt and find an ancient autobot relic to reanimate optimus (with shard of allspark in hand, mind you) wasent an OBVIOUS plothole?
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Re: Ehren Kruger Confirmed as TF4 Writer

Postby Autobot032 » Fri Apr 27, 2012 11:11 am

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autobotOG wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:
synthetik wrote:I know this thing is being greenlit for making dosh but can we stop dragging TF's good name through puddles of shit mud? Call it something else, give it some cool lore than hasbro can sell TFs and "insert shitty bayformer robot title here".

It took me a year or so to finally watch dark side of the moon and I was ashamed to be a TF fan afterwards.


Oh well.

autobotOG wrote: Yes, there were the obvious plotholes (especially in revenge)


No there weren't.



No? So you don't think the fact that Megatron could be reanimated with a shard from the allspark, but it was necessary to travel to Egypt and find an ancient autobot relic to reanimate optimus (with shard of allspark in hand, mind you) wasent an OBVIOUS plothole?


Easy enough to explain.

Megatron's spark chamber wasn't completely destroyed, nor was his torso. Plus, Scalpel and the diving team rebuilt him before giving him the shard. Plus, the Allspark is known for magical macguffin resurrections.

Optimus, on the other hand, had his entire spark chamber destroyed, his torso was basically gone because of the stab/blast combo, and no one had any Allspark pieces lying around. The last known piece was used by Sam to revive Jetfire. The only source of Energon on Earth, was the Matrix of Leadership.
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Re: Ehren Kruger Confirmed as TF4 Writer

Postby autobotOG » Fri Apr 27, 2012 12:30 pm

See, I saw it a different way...I thought in the battle in the woods, it was optimus's abdominal area that was destroyed (hence the new abs in dark of the Moon), i thought his spark chamber was higher up...in the chest area you could say. Where as, Megatron had the all spark actually INSERTED into his spark chamber, leaving it a charred hole. So it would make more sense to me than an all spark shard would be more effective on optimus. And I get Megatron was rebuilt prior to reanimation, but couldn't ratchet had repaired him enough for him to be brought back to life? That, and Sam knew of the second shards existance 30 minutes into the movie, you would have thought he would have at least tried it first before venturing off into the unknown, right?

Either way, I don't need a seemless plot to enjoy a movie about bots and cons, so I liked it regardless, LOL
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Re: Ehren Kruger Confirmed as TF4 Writer

Postby SlyTF1 » Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:55 pm

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autobotOG wrote:See, I saw it a different way...I thought in the battle in the woods, it was optimus's abdominal area that was destroyed (hence the new abs in dark of the Moon), i thought his spark chamber was higher up...in the chest area you could say. Where as, Megatron had the all spark actually INSERTED into his spark chamber, leaving it a charred hole. So it would make more sense to me than an all spark shard would be more effective on optimus. And I get Megatron was rebuilt prior to reanimation, but couldn't ratchet had repaired him enough for him to be brought back to life? That, and Sam knew of the second shards existance 30 minutes into the movie, you would have thought he would have at least tried it first before venturing off into the unknown, right?

Either way, I don't need a seemless plot to enjoy a movie about bots and cons, so I liked it regardless, LOL


Optimus's whole chest got blown out. Plus, Wheelie was the human's only source of information, and he lead them to Jetfire (possibly) in the hopes that Jetfire was still a Decepticon and would kill the humans and return him to the Decepticons.
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Re: Ehren Kruger Confirmed as TF4 Writer

Postby Autobot032 » Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:26 pm

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autobotOG wrote:See, I saw it a different way...I thought in the battle in the woods, it was optimus's abdominal area that was destroyed (hence the new abs in dark of the Moon), i thought his spark chamber was higher up...in the chest area you could say. Where as, Megatron had the all spark actually INSERTED into his spark chamber, leaving it a charred hole. So it would make more sense to me than an all spark shard would be more effective on optimus. And I get Megatron was rebuilt prior to reanimation, but couldn't ratchet had repaired him enough for him to be brought back to life? That, and Sam knew of the second shards existance 30 minutes into the movie, you would have thought he would have at least tried it first before venturing off into the unknown, right?

Either way, I don't need a seemless plot to enjoy a movie about bots and cons, so I liked it regardless, LOL


Here are the problems with your theory.

1.) His "abs" were rebuilt, and intact, and looked as they did prior to his killing blow.
2.) Sam rammed the Matrix into his chest cavity between the two windshield pieces.
3.) Both the Voyager and Leader Class toys are rather accurate to the CGI model, at least from the front, and the Matrix cavity is above his abs.

The All Spark's energy was released into Megatron's chest/spark chamber, with a shard left over (the one Optimus took), but the cube itself never entered his body.

Optimus told Sam to run. He wasn't concerned with his own safety. With Prime dying, Decepticons everywhere, and the crew shattered and shook to their core, no one was thinking clearly. To top that off, The Fallen had made their presence known, which caused hysteria.

Plus, fate decided that Sam needed to recover the Matrix by accepting his destiny.

Is it perfect? No. Is it full of plot holes? No.
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Re: Ehren Kruger Confirmed as TF4 Writer

Postby all_the_primes » Fri Apr 27, 2012 7:44 pm

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Re: Ehren Kruger Confirmed as TF4 Writer

Postby SlyTF1 » Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:05 pm

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all_the_primes wrote:The sight of TF4 has always burned my eyes. BUT THIS?! No... TF4 is just bad idea. :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay:


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Re: Ehren Kruger Confirmed as TF4 Writer

Postby Autobot032 » Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:11 pm

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all_the_primes wrote:The sight of TF4 has always burned my eyes. BUT THIS?! No... TF4 is just bad idea. :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay:


You've never seen it. So how could the sight of it burn your eyes?


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Re: Ehren Kruger Confirmed as TF4 Writer

Postby all_the_primes » Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:12 am

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Autobot032 wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:
all_the_primes wrote:The sight of TF4 has always burned my eyes. BUT THIS?! No... TF4 is just bad idea. :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay:


You've never seen it. So how could the sight of it burn your eyes?


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Re: Ehren Kruger Confirmed as TF4 Writer

Postby Capt.Failure » Sat Apr 28, 2012 4:23 am

SlyTF1 wrote:
all_the_primes wrote:The sight of TF4 has always burned my eyes. BUT THIS?! No... TF4 is just bad idea. :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay:


You've never seen it. So how could the sight of it burn your eyes?


The sign of a true, professional critic: judge something before it even releases. :roll:
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Re: Ehren Kruger Confirmed as TF4 Writer

Postby Capt.Failure » Sat Apr 28, 2012 4:29 am

autobotOG wrote:That, and Sam knew of the second shards existance 30 minutes into the movie, you would have thought he would have at least tried it first before venturing off into the unknown, right?


Double posting because this makes me tear my hair out in frustration every time it's mentioned. Lemme put it to you simply...

SAM DIDN'T KNOW THE ALLSPARK SHARD COULD DO THAT!!! ONLY THE HIGHER RANKING DECEPTICONS DID!!!

Pant...wheeze...

Nothing personal, bro. Just...ugh, why don't people remember Sam lacked that information. It's poking my OCD side. :sad:
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Re: Ehren Kruger Confirmed as TF4 Writer

Postby autobotOG » Sat Apr 28, 2012 6:18 am

And you could be right, but what struck me as off was the fact that after watching the shard turn his parents kitchen into a tiny armada, he never even suggested to any other autobots the prospect of using it to revive prime. But he certainly seemed aware of its capabilities when bringing jetfire to life, right?

I have had to defend these movies to countless people online and in person, so I understand the "ocd" moment and feeling like your repeating yourself, LOL. But please dont feel like your "defending" them to me, bro, like I said, I loved the movies. I just hate my job and would rather banter with people of similar interest online:)
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Re: Ehren Kruger Confirmed as TF4 Writer

Postby Capt.Failure » Sat Apr 28, 2012 6:30 am

autobotOG wrote:And you could be right, but what struck me as off was the fact that after watching the shard turn his parents kitchen into a tiny armada, he never even suggested to any other autobots the prospect of using it to revive prime. But he certainly seemed aware of its capabilities when bringing jetfire to life, right?

I have had to defend these movies to countless people online and in person, so I understand the "ocd" moment and feeling like your repeating yourself, LOL. But please dont feel like your "defending" them to me, bro, like I said, I loved the movies. I just hate my job and would rather banter with people of similar interest online:)


Nah not defending, more correcting. I have an extreme attention to detail and rarely miss things when I read a book or watch a film. Makes it frustrating when people talk about something and it's pretty clear they didn't pay attention.

As for knowing it's capabilities, I doubt it. He knew it could create Transformers since it was part of the Allspark, and he'd seen it do that before. However no one on the Autobot side mentioned it could revive dead Transformers. The closest thing he got to that knowledge was being told it could energize Jetfire enough to wake him up. And even this was through rather cryptic means:

"There, point the shard and watch the magic happen." - Wheelie

The above is all Sam is told about using the shard on a living Transformer. Three seconds later it's gone and Jetfire wakes up.

So no. Sam didn't know he could revive Optimus. I'm not even sure it would be possible with such a tiny fragment. Jetfire absorbed all it's remaining energy and was still rusting and falling apart at the seems, a symptom of energon starvation. The chunk used on Megatron was at least the size of a brick.
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Re: Ehren Kruger Confirmed as TF4 Writer

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Your all forgetting the biggest plothole to all three movies. The plothole of why I actually spent money to watch these boring movies. :P
I couldn't be the only one who was actually stressed during the first movie due to the lack of Robot presence on-screen. Everytime they showed some of the bot action, I couldn't even enjoy it coz I knew in a few seconds, I'd have to endure long scenes of just human interaction. It's all been said before, but damn, I've never been so stressed while watching a movie. haha.
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Re: Ehren Kruger Confirmed as TF4 Writer

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MINDVVIPE wrote:Your all forgetting the biggest plothole to all three movies. The plothole of why I actually spent money to watch these boring movies. :P
I couldn't be the only one who was actually stressed during the first movie due to the lack of Robot presence on-screen. Everytime they showed some of the bot action, I couldn't even enjoy it coz I knew in a few seconds, I'd have to endure long scenes of just human interaction. It's all been said before, but damn, I've never been so stressed while watching a movie. haha.


This is why I never watch that movie any more. It annoys me. That and the Autobots don't show up until the end of the movie and Megatron only has like 3 or 4 minutes of screen time.
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Re: Ehren Kruger Confirmed as TF4 Writer

Postby Autobot032 » Sat Apr 28, 2012 4:58 pm

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MINDVVIPE wrote:Your all forgetting the biggest plothole to all three movies. The plothole of why I actually spent money to watch these boring movies. :P
I couldn't be the only one who was actually stressed during the first movie due to the lack of Robot presence on-screen. Everytime they showed some of the bot action, I couldn't even enjoy it coz I knew in a few seconds, I'd have to endure long scenes of just human interaction. It's all been said before, but damn, I've never been so stressed while watching a movie. haha.


This is why I never watch that movie any more. It annoys me. That and the Autobots don't show up until the end of the movie and Megatron only has like 3 or 4 minutes of screen time.


But, d00d, he's like an unimportant character. I mean, whoever heard of Megatron? Like, seriously, man.

(Sarcasm, btw.)
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Re: Ehren Kruger Confirmed as TF4 Writer

Postby Capt.Failure » Sun Apr 29, 2012 1:13 am

MINDVVIPE wrote:Your all forgetting the biggest plothole to all three movies. The plothole of why I actually spent money to watch these boring movies. :P
I couldn't be the only one who was actually stressed during the first movie due to the lack of Robot presence on-screen. Everytime they showed some of the bot action, I couldn't even enjoy it coz I knew in a few seconds, I'd have to endure long scenes of just human interaction. It's all been said before, but damn, I've never been so stressed while watching a movie. haha.


We need a meme of this on the Advice Animals subreddit.

"See movie I end up hating. Watch both sequels and complain about how I hated them."

You people make me laugh. So pathetic. :lol:
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Re: Ehren Kruger Confirmed as TF4 Writer

Postby Autobot032 » Sun Apr 29, 2012 1:20 am

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MINDVVIPE wrote:Your all forgetting the biggest plothole to all three movies. The plothole of why I actually spent money to watch these boring movies. :P
I couldn't be the only one who was actually stressed during the first movie due to the lack of Robot presence on-screen. Everytime they showed some of the bot action, I couldn't even enjoy it coz I knew in a few seconds, I'd have to endure long scenes of just human interaction. It's all been said before, but damn, I've never been so stressed while watching a movie. haha.


We need a meme of this on the Advice Animals subreddit.

"See movie I end up hating. Watch both sequels and complain about how I hated them."

You people make me laugh. So pathetic. :lol:


Easy. Let's bring that down a notch, please. Your use of pathetic was absolutely unnecessary, here.
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Re: Ehren Kruger Confirmed as TF4 Writer

Postby Capt.Failure » Sun Apr 29, 2012 1:51 am

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Capt.Failure wrote:
MINDVVIPE wrote:Your all forgetting the biggest plothole to all three movies. The plothole of why I actually spent money to watch these boring movies. :P
I couldn't be the only one who was actually stressed during the first movie due to the lack of Robot presence on-screen. Everytime they showed some of the bot action, I couldn't even enjoy it coz I knew in a few seconds, I'd have to endure long scenes of just human interaction. It's all been said before, but damn, I've never been so stressed while watching a movie. haha.


We need a meme of this on the Advice Animals subreddit.

"See movie I end up hating. Watch both sequels and complain about how I hated them."

You people make me laugh. So pathetic. :lol:


Easy. Let's bring that down a notch, please. Your use of pathetic was absolutely unnecessary, here.


The point stands though. Let's imagine someone shot them self in the foot. What is the rational response?

a) "OUCH! JEEZE! I better go to a doctor!"

b) "OUCH! JEEZE! That really hurt! Better shoot my other foot and my unoccupied hand too."

If you chose b) then you've voided your right to complain.
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Postby MINDVVIPE » Sun Apr 29, 2012 2:02 am

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Capt.Failure wrote:
Autobot032 wrote:
Capt.Failure wrote:
MINDVVIPE wrote:Your all forgetting the biggest plothole to all three movies. The plothole of why I actually spent money to watch these boring movies. :P
I couldn't be the only one who was actually stressed during the first movie due to the lack of Robot presence on-screen. Everytime they showed some of the bot action, I couldn't even enjoy it coz I knew in a few seconds, I'd have to endure long scenes of just human interaction. It's all been said before, but damn, I've never been so stressed while watching a movie. haha.


We need a meme of this on the Advice Animals subreddit.

"See movie I end up hating. Watch both sequels and complain about how I hated them."

You people make me laugh. So pathetic. :lol:


Easy. Let's bring that down a notch, please. Your use of pathetic was absolutely unnecessary, here.


The point stands though. Let's imagine someone shot them self in the foot. What is the rational response?

a) "OUCH! JEEZE! I better go to a doctor!"

b) "OUCH! JEEZE! That really hurt! Better shoot my other foot and my unoccupied hand too."

If you chose b) then you've voided your right to complain.


You're such a smart guy. Maybe one day I'll be as smart as you, and be able to enjoy the movies.
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