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Capt.Failure wrote:Autobot032 wrote:Capt.Failure wrote:MINDVVIPE wrote:Your all forgetting the biggest plothole to all three movies. The plothole of why I actually spent money to watch these boring movies.![]()
I couldn't be the only one who was actually stressed during the first movie due to the lack of Robot presence on-screen. Everytime they showed some of the bot action, I couldn't even enjoy it coz I knew in a few seconds, I'd have to endure long scenes of just human interaction. It's all been said before, but damn, I've never been so stressed while watching a movie. haha.
We need a meme of this on the Advice Animals subreddit.
"See movie I end up hating. Watch both sequels and complain about how I hated them."
You people make me laugh. So pathetic.
Easy. Let's bring that down a notch, please. Your use of pathetic was absolutely unnecessary, here.
The point stands though. Let's imagine someone shot them self in the foot. What is the rational response?
a) "OUCH! JEEZE! I better go to a doctor!"
b) "OUCH! JEEZE! That really hurt! Better shoot my other foot and my unoccupied hand too."
If you chose b) then you've voided your right to complain.
Burn wrote:Burn is officially bored with the bashing of previous films.
I liked it better when we were just bashing Orci & Kurtzman.
Autobot032 wrote:I don't deny that you have a valid point, to some degree, but the "pathetic" part was over the line. Simple as that.
MINDVVIPE wrote:Autobot032 wrote:I don't deny that you have a valid point, to some degree, but the "pathetic" part was over the line. Simple as that.
Its not a valid point. Shooting yourself is gauranteed pain. Watching TF movies, as a TF Fan, is not anything like that analogy. We all know this is an idiotic analogy that was meant to defend against hurt feelings from having something that you like beat down.
Deal with it. Its a forum. (Not directed at you, Autobot032)
MINDVVIPE wrote:Capt.Failure wrote:Autobot032 wrote:Capt.Failure wrote:MINDVVIPE wrote:Your all forgetting the biggest plothole to all three movies. The plothole of why I actually spent money to watch these boring movies.![]()
I couldn't be the only one who was actually stressed during the first movie due to the lack of Robot presence on-screen. Everytime they showed some of the bot action, I couldn't even enjoy it coz I knew in a few seconds, I'd have to endure long scenes of just human interaction. It's all been said before, but damn, I've never been so stressed while watching a movie. haha.
We need a meme of this on the Advice Animals subreddit.
"See movie I end up hating. Watch both sequels and complain about how I hated them."
You people make me laugh. So pathetic.
Easy. Let's bring that down a notch, please. Your use of pathetic was absolutely unnecessary, here.
The point stands though. Let's imagine someone shot them self in the foot. What is the rational response?
a) "OUCH! JEEZE! I better go to a doctor!"
b) "OUCH! JEEZE! That really hurt! Better shoot my other foot and my unoccupied hand too."
If you chose b) then you've voided your right to complain.
You're such a smart guy. Maybe one day I'll be as smart as you, and be able to enjoy the movies.
Capt.Failure wrote:MINDVVIPE wrote:Autobot032 wrote:I don't deny that you have a valid point, to some degree, but the "pathetic" part was over the line. Simple as that.
Its not a valid point. Shooting yourself is gauranteed pain. Watching TF movies, as a TF Fan, is not anything like that analogy. We all know this is an idiotic analogy that was meant to defend against hurt feelings from having something that you like beat down.
Deal with it. Its a forum. (Not directed at you, Autobot032)
If your buyer's remorse is so bad that you have to deny cold, hard logic than I can't help you. Sorry.![]()
What you thought of the films means nothing to me. I don't know you, I don't care to. Attempting to paint me as some emotionally hurt fanboy isn't helping your case.
Done with you now. Bored. Got paint to watch dry.
Dagon wrote:Capt.Failure wrote:MINDVVIPE wrote:Autobot032 wrote:I don't deny that you have a valid point, to some degree, but the "pathetic" part was over the line. Simple as that.
Its not a valid point. Shooting yourself is gauranteed pain. Watching TF movies, as a TF Fan, is not anything like that analogy. We all know this is an idiotic analogy that was meant to defend against hurt feelings from having something that you like beat down.
Deal with it. Its a forum. (Not directed at you, Autobot032)
If your buyer's remorse is so bad that you have to deny cold, hard logic than I can't help you. Sorry.![]()
What you thought of the films means nothing to me. I don't know you, I don't care to. Attempting to paint me as some emotionally hurt fanboy isn't helping your case.
Done with you now. Bored. Got paint to watch dry.
Right on. Painting one as the emotionally hurt fanboy is only a valid strategy when you're doing it to someone who didn't like the movies. Everyone knows that only people who didn't like them are some how irrational and stupid, and could never, ever have valid reasons for not liking them. Those fools and their "opinions," bah.
Dagon wrote:Capt.Failure wrote:MINDVVIPE wrote:Autobot032 wrote:I don't deny that you have a valid point, to some degree, but the "pathetic" part was over the line. Simple as that.
Its not a valid point. Shooting yourself is gauranteed pain. Watching TF movies, as a TF Fan, is not anything like that analogy. We all know this is an idiotic analogy that was meant to defend against hurt feelings from having something that you like beat down.
Deal with it. Its a forum. (Not directed at you, Autobot032)
If your buyer's remorse is so bad that you have to deny cold, hard logic than I can't help you. Sorry.![]()
What you thought of the films means nothing to me. I don't know you, I don't care to. Attempting to paint me as some emotionally hurt fanboy isn't helping your case.
Done with you now. Bored. Got paint to watch dry.
Right on. Painting one as the emotionally hurt fanboy is only a valid strategy when you're doing it to someone who didn't like the movies. Everyone knows that only people who didn't like them are some how irrational and stupid, and could never, ever have valid reasons for not liking them. Those fools and their "opinions," bah.
Shadowman wrote:I will put forth the theory that it was the internet itself trying to punch him in the face.
5150 Cruiser wrote:I'm fine with Ehren Kruger returning. I liked DOTM, so I'm cool with it. As far as the haters go its like the old saying goes.. Haters gonna hate. One thing people need to realize..
Movies are not made for fans. There made for everyone else. This has been the going formula since.. well, comic books and 80's cartoons have been turned into movies. That's how it is, thats how it always will be. The sooner you accept this, the sooner you can go about your life.
As far as a re-boot goes i have yet to have anyone give a solid reason why we should have a re-boot this early in the game. Non, zip, nada.
Capt.Failure wrote:Dagon wrote:Capt.Failure wrote:MINDVVIPE wrote:Autobot032 wrote:I don't deny that you have a valid point, to some degree, but the "pathetic" part was over the line. Simple as that.
Its not a valid point. Shooting yourself is gauranteed pain. Watching TF movies, as a TF Fan, is not anything like that analogy. We all know this is an idiotic analogy that was meant to defend against hurt feelings from having something that you like beat down.
Deal with it. Its a forum. (Not directed at you, Autobot032)
If your buyer's remorse is so bad that you have to deny cold, hard logic than I can't help you. Sorry.![]()
What you thought of the films means nothing to me. I don't know you, I don't care to. Attempting to paint me as some emotionally hurt fanboy isn't helping your case.
Done with you now. Bored. Got paint to watch dry.
Right on. Painting one as the emotionally hurt fanboy is only a valid strategy when you're doing it to someone who didn't like the movies. Everyone knows that only people who didn't like them are some how irrational and stupid, and could never, ever have valid reasons for not liking them. Those fools and their "opinions," bah.
I was going to write a long thought out statement about how your entire argument is nothing more than a pile of fallacious logic, but instead I'm just gonna laugh and shoo you away.![]()
Kids these days.
Dagon wrote:Capt.Failure wrote:Dagon wrote:Capt.Failure wrote:MINDVVIPE wrote:Autobot032 wrote:I don't deny that you have a valid point, to some degree, but the "pathetic" part was over the line. Simple as that.
Its not a valid point. Shooting yourself is gauranteed pain. Watching TF movies, as a TF Fan, is not anything like that analogy. We all know this is an idiotic analogy that was meant to defend against hurt feelings from having something that you like beat down.
Deal with it. Its a forum. (Not directed at you, Autobot032)
If your buyer's remorse is so bad that you have to deny cold, hard logic than I can't help you. Sorry.![]()
What you thought of the films means nothing to me. I don't know you, I don't care to. Attempting to paint me as some emotionally hurt fanboy isn't helping your case.
Done with you now. Bored. Got paint to watch dry.
Right on. Painting one as the emotionally hurt fanboy is only a valid strategy when you're doing it to someone who didn't like the movies. Everyone knows that only people who didn't like them are some how irrational and stupid, and could never, ever have valid reasons for not liking them. Those fools and their "opinions," bah.
I was going to write a long thought out statement about how your entire argument is nothing more than a pile of fallacious logic, but instead I'm just gonna laugh and shoo you away.![]()
Kids these days.
Whew, well, that's a relief, since it's not fallacious logic afterall. In the instance that someone doesn't like the movies, they are decried as being fanboys who percieve injury has occured at the hands of a cruel movie series that "ruins" their beloved franchise. Movie fans throw around the butthurt fanboy or Geewun arguments and that's fine, but all that is is just more name calling, and it lowers movie fans to the same level as Geewunners and crybabies. That's subjective of course, in terms of how 'low' that level may be, but if Geewunners are name callers, then calling Geewunners Geewunners is name calling as well.
Personally, I liked DOTM and the first movie and thought ROFT was bad, and that's my opinion and all, and I don't care if people agree or disagree. I just think it's funny when either side of the arguement derides the other side as being petty when their derision causes them to be petty as well. That's not a fallacy, that's an observation, and it can be backed with numerous examples from not only this argument/fandom, but from many, some of which even occur in real life.
Well, it's not impossible for one to go to a movie, dislike it, then go see the sequel expecting it to be just as unlikable, but instead find the sequel to be surprisingly more entertaining.Capt.Failure wrote:Eh, as I said before my comments had nothing to do with someone not liking the movie. It had everything to do with someone hating the movie then going back to see two sequels knowing they'd hate them, then complaining like they're surprised. It's a common sense issue. Was hoping that seemed apparent.
To draw an example I thought The Fantastic Four was pure crap and felt offended they stole my money. I sure as hell didn't go see Rise of the Silver Surfer.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Well, it's not impossible for one to go to a movie, dislike it, then go see the sequel expecting it to be just as unlikable, but instead find the sequel to be surprisingly more entertaining.Capt.Failure wrote:Eh, as I said before my comments had nothing to do with someone not liking the movie. It had everything to do with someone hating the movie then going back to see two sequels knowing they'd hate them, then complaining like they're surprised. It's a common sense issue. Was hoping that seemed apparent.
To draw an example I thought The Fantastic Four was pure crap and felt offended they stole my money. I sure as hell didn't go see Rise of the Silver Surfer.
To use your Fantastic four example, when I saw that movie, it bored me. Then I saw Rise of the Silver Surfer and, up until the last part of the climax, I found it to be much more enjoyable than the first movie. The first movie was mostly experimentation and science talk, with one big action scene coming in too little too late. The second movie pulled me in more with more action, more suspense, and a big power battle with Doom that I that was much cooler. The only big downside of the film for me was what they did to Galactus and how easily beaten he was. But up until that point, the rest felt more fun to me than the first movie.
Now as for Transformers, what's wrong with wanting these people to learn from their experiences with the first three films and try to make something a little more worthwhile with the fourth?
Capt.Failure wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Well, it's not impossible for one to go to a movie, dislike it, then go see the sequel expecting it to be just as unlikable, but instead find the sequel to be surprisingly more entertaining.Capt.Failure wrote:Eh, as I said before my comments had nothing to do with someone not liking the movie. It had everything to do with someone hating the movie then going back to see two sequels knowing they'd hate them, then complaining like they're surprised. It's a common sense issue. Was hoping that seemed apparent.
To draw an example I thought The Fantastic Four was pure crap and felt offended they stole my money. I sure as hell didn't go see Rise of the Silver Surfer.
To use your Fantastic four example, when I saw that movie, it bored me. Then I saw Rise of the Silver Surfer and, up until the last part of the climax, I found it to be much more enjoyable than the first movie. The first movie was mostly experimentation and science talk, with one big action scene coming in too little too late. The second movie pulled me in more with more action, more suspense, and a big power battle with Doom that I that was much cooler. The only big downside of the film for me was what they did to Galactus and how easily beaten he was. But up until that point, the rest felt more fun to me than the first movie.
Now as for Transformers, what's wrong with wanting these people to learn from their experiences with the first three films and try to make something a little more worthwhile with the fourth?
Not a thing. But I'm just going to laugh at someone who's surprised they didn't like the sequels. You obviously based your expectations on Rise of the Silver Surfer off the previous film. That's both rational and how a normal person would act. However you understood the risk you took seeing a sequel to a film you didn't like.
Then there's someone who's honestly surprised a sequel to a film they hated is a film they hate, and complain like it's a surprise. My common sense is tingling and it's telling me you* have none.
*Note: I mean "you" as in "nebulous group of people I'm speaking of, not you Sabrblade
Autobot032 wrote:Capt.Failure wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Well, it's not impossible for one to go to a movie, dislike it, then go see the sequel expecting it to be just as unlikable, but instead find the sequel to be surprisingly more entertaining.Capt.Failure wrote:Eh, as I said before my comments had nothing to do with someone not liking the movie. It had everything to do with someone hating the movie then going back to see two sequels knowing they'd hate them, then complaining like they're surprised. It's a common sense issue. Was hoping that seemed apparent.
To draw an example I thought The Fantastic Four was pure crap and felt offended they stole my money. I sure as hell didn't go see Rise of the Silver Surfer.
To use your Fantastic four example, when I saw that movie, it bored me. Then I saw Rise of the Silver Surfer and, up until the last part of the climax, I found it to be much more enjoyable than the first movie. The first movie was mostly experimentation and science talk, with one big action scene coming in too little too late. The second movie pulled me in more with more action, more suspense, and a big power battle with Doom that I that was much cooler. The only big downside of the film for me was what they did to Galactus and how easily beaten he was. But up until that point, the rest felt more fun to me than the first movie.
Now as for Transformers, what's wrong with wanting these people to learn from their experiences with the first three films and try to make something a little more worthwhile with the fourth?
Not a thing. But I'm just going to laugh at someone who's surprised they didn't like the sequels. You obviously based your expectations on Rise of the Silver Surfer off the previous film. That's both rational and how a normal person would act. However you understood the risk you took seeing a sequel to a film you didn't like.
Then there's someone who's honestly surprised a sequel to a film they hated is a film they hate, and complain like it's a surprise. My common sense is tingling and it's telling me you* have none.
*Note: I mean "you" as in "nebulous group of people I'm speaking of, not you Sabrblade
Ah, but you should be fair, to some degree.
We're the Transformers fandom...
-If they make a movie, we want to see it.
-If it's good, we want to make it a success.
-If it's not good, we hold out hope that the sequel will be better.
-We're flawed. We're human. We're prone to doing these things over and over.
Granted, they shouldn't complain past a certain point. It does become pointless and seems like it's absolutely unending. Pretty much every angle has been covered. Every point, plot hole, inconsistency, etc.
At this point, whining about the films is just a waste of breath. The argument's been heard from both sides. Neither will budge.
Those who inflict pain upon themselves in this manner, repeatedly, should have no voice.
Those who poke the wound and say "I told you so", repeatedly, should have no voice.
Star Trek: The Motion Picture is one of those films where you have a rocky start and therefore shouldn't attempt to see the sequel. But fans, audiences and critics did. It turned out to be a fantastic film, and quite possibly the best out of the entire series. If they hadn't given it a chance, they'd never know the awesome.
Same thing here. People NEED to give it a chance, for themselves. Then you hear good things about the next sequel and curiosity kicks in, etc.
It's part of human nature.
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