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Re: Ehren Kruger Confirmed as TF4 Writer

Postby Capt.Failure » Sat Apr 28, 2012 4:29 am

autobotOG wrote:That, and Sam knew of the second shards existance 30 minutes into the movie, you would have thought he would have at least tried it first before venturing off into the unknown, right?


Double posting because this makes me tear my hair out in frustration every time it's mentioned. Lemme put it to you simply...

SAM DIDN'T KNOW THE ALLSPARK SHARD COULD DO THAT!!! ONLY THE HIGHER RANKING DECEPTICONS DID!!!

Pant...wheeze...

Nothing personal, bro. Just...ugh, why don't people remember Sam lacked that information. It's poking my OCD side. :sad:
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Re: Ehren Kruger Confirmed as TF4 Writer

Postby autobotOG » Sat Apr 28, 2012 6:18 am

And you could be right, but what struck me as off was the fact that after watching the shard turn his parents kitchen into a tiny armada, he never even suggested to any other autobots the prospect of using it to revive prime. But he certainly seemed aware of its capabilities when bringing jetfire to life, right?

I have had to defend these movies to countless people online and in person, so I understand the "ocd" moment and feeling like your repeating yourself, LOL. But please dont feel like your "defending" them to me, bro, like I said, I loved the movies. I just hate my job and would rather banter with people of similar interest online:)
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Re: Ehren Kruger Confirmed as TF4 Writer

Postby Capt.Failure » Sat Apr 28, 2012 6:30 am

autobotOG wrote:And you could be right, but what struck me as off was the fact that after watching the shard turn his parents kitchen into a tiny armada, he never even suggested to any other autobots the prospect of using it to revive prime. But he certainly seemed aware of its capabilities when bringing jetfire to life, right?

I have had to defend these movies to countless people online and in person, so I understand the "ocd" moment and feeling like your repeating yourself, LOL. But please dont feel like your "defending" them to me, bro, like I said, I loved the movies. I just hate my job and would rather banter with people of similar interest online:)


Nah not defending, more correcting. I have an extreme attention to detail and rarely miss things when I read a book or watch a film. Makes it frustrating when people talk about something and it's pretty clear they didn't pay attention.

As for knowing it's capabilities, I doubt it. He knew it could create Transformers since it was part of the Allspark, and he'd seen it do that before. However no one on the Autobot side mentioned it could revive dead Transformers. The closest thing he got to that knowledge was being told it could energize Jetfire enough to wake him up. And even this was through rather cryptic means:

"There, point the shard and watch the magic happen." - Wheelie

The above is all Sam is told about using the shard on a living Transformer. Three seconds later it's gone and Jetfire wakes up.

So no. Sam didn't know he could revive Optimus. I'm not even sure it would be possible with such a tiny fragment. Jetfire absorbed all it's remaining energy and was still rusting and falling apart at the seems, a symptom of energon starvation. The chunk used on Megatron was at least the size of a brick.
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Re: Ehren Kruger Confirmed as TF4 Writer

Postby MINDVVIPE » Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:37 pm

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Your all forgetting the biggest plothole to all three movies. The plothole of why I actually spent money to watch these boring movies. :P
I couldn't be the only one who was actually stressed during the first movie due to the lack of Robot presence on-screen. Everytime they showed some of the bot action, I couldn't even enjoy it coz I knew in a few seconds, I'd have to endure long scenes of just human interaction. It's all been said before, but damn, I've never been so stressed while watching a movie. haha.
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Re: Ehren Kruger Confirmed as TF4 Writer

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MINDVVIPE wrote:Your all forgetting the biggest plothole to all three movies. The plothole of why I actually spent money to watch these boring movies. :P
I couldn't be the only one who was actually stressed during the first movie due to the lack of Robot presence on-screen. Everytime they showed some of the bot action, I couldn't even enjoy it coz I knew in a few seconds, I'd have to endure long scenes of just human interaction. It's all been said before, but damn, I've never been so stressed while watching a movie. haha.


This is why I never watch that movie any more. It annoys me. That and the Autobots don't show up until the end of the movie and Megatron only has like 3 or 4 minutes of screen time.
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Re: Ehren Kruger Confirmed as TF4 Writer

Postby Autobot032 » Sat Apr 28, 2012 4:58 pm

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MINDVVIPE wrote:Your all forgetting the biggest plothole to all three movies. The plothole of why I actually spent money to watch these boring movies. :P
I couldn't be the only one who was actually stressed during the first movie due to the lack of Robot presence on-screen. Everytime they showed some of the bot action, I couldn't even enjoy it coz I knew in a few seconds, I'd have to endure long scenes of just human interaction. It's all been said before, but damn, I've never been so stressed while watching a movie. haha.


This is why I never watch that movie any more. It annoys me. That and the Autobots don't show up until the end of the movie and Megatron only has like 3 or 4 minutes of screen time.


But, d00d, he's like an unimportant character. I mean, whoever heard of Megatron? Like, seriously, man.

(Sarcasm, btw.)
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Re: Ehren Kruger Confirmed as TF4 Writer

Postby Capt.Failure » Sun Apr 29, 2012 1:13 am

MINDVVIPE wrote:Your all forgetting the biggest plothole to all three movies. The plothole of why I actually spent money to watch these boring movies. :P
I couldn't be the only one who was actually stressed during the first movie due to the lack of Robot presence on-screen. Everytime they showed some of the bot action, I couldn't even enjoy it coz I knew in a few seconds, I'd have to endure long scenes of just human interaction. It's all been said before, but damn, I've never been so stressed while watching a movie. haha.


We need a meme of this on the Advice Animals subreddit.

"See movie I end up hating. Watch both sequels and complain about how I hated them."

You people make me laugh. So pathetic. :lol:
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Re: Ehren Kruger Confirmed as TF4 Writer

Postby Autobot032 » Sun Apr 29, 2012 1:20 am

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Capt.Failure wrote:
MINDVVIPE wrote:Your all forgetting the biggest plothole to all three movies. The plothole of why I actually spent money to watch these boring movies. :P
I couldn't be the only one who was actually stressed during the first movie due to the lack of Robot presence on-screen. Everytime they showed some of the bot action, I couldn't even enjoy it coz I knew in a few seconds, I'd have to endure long scenes of just human interaction. It's all been said before, but damn, I've never been so stressed while watching a movie. haha.


We need a meme of this on the Advice Animals subreddit.

"See movie I end up hating. Watch both sequels and complain about how I hated them."

You people make me laugh. So pathetic. :lol:


Easy. Let's bring that down a notch, please. Your use of pathetic was absolutely unnecessary, here.
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Re: Ehren Kruger Confirmed as TF4 Writer

Postby Capt.Failure » Sun Apr 29, 2012 1:51 am

Autobot032 wrote:
Capt.Failure wrote:
MINDVVIPE wrote:Your all forgetting the biggest plothole to all three movies. The plothole of why I actually spent money to watch these boring movies. :P
I couldn't be the only one who was actually stressed during the first movie due to the lack of Robot presence on-screen. Everytime they showed some of the bot action, I couldn't even enjoy it coz I knew in a few seconds, I'd have to endure long scenes of just human interaction. It's all been said before, but damn, I've never been so stressed while watching a movie. haha.


We need a meme of this on the Advice Animals subreddit.

"See movie I end up hating. Watch both sequels and complain about how I hated them."

You people make me laugh. So pathetic. :lol:


Easy. Let's bring that down a notch, please. Your use of pathetic was absolutely unnecessary, here.


The point stands though. Let's imagine someone shot them self in the foot. What is the rational response?

a) "OUCH! JEEZE! I better go to a doctor!"

b) "OUCH! JEEZE! That really hurt! Better shoot my other foot and my unoccupied hand too."

If you chose b) then you've voided your right to complain.
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Re: Ehren Kruger Confirmed as TF4 Writer

Postby MINDVVIPE » Sun Apr 29, 2012 2:02 am

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Capt.Failure wrote:
Autobot032 wrote:
Capt.Failure wrote:
MINDVVIPE wrote:Your all forgetting the biggest plothole to all three movies. The plothole of why I actually spent money to watch these boring movies. :P
I couldn't be the only one who was actually stressed during the first movie due to the lack of Robot presence on-screen. Everytime they showed some of the bot action, I couldn't even enjoy it coz I knew in a few seconds, I'd have to endure long scenes of just human interaction. It's all been said before, but damn, I've never been so stressed while watching a movie. haha.


We need a meme of this on the Advice Animals subreddit.

"See movie I end up hating. Watch both sequels and complain about how I hated them."

You people make me laugh. So pathetic. :lol:


Easy. Let's bring that down a notch, please. Your use of pathetic was absolutely unnecessary, here.


The point stands though. Let's imagine someone shot them self in the foot. What is the rational response?

a) "OUCH! JEEZE! I better go to a doctor!"

b) "OUCH! JEEZE! That really hurt! Better shoot my other foot and my unoccupied hand too."

If you chose b) then you've voided your right to complain.


You're such a smart guy. Maybe one day I'll be as smart as you, and be able to enjoy the movies.
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Re: Ehren Kruger Confirmed as TF4 Writer

Postby Autobot032 » Sun Apr 29, 2012 2:09 am

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Capt.Failure wrote:
Autobot032 wrote:
Capt.Failure wrote:
MINDVVIPE wrote:Your all forgetting the biggest plothole to all three movies. The plothole of why I actually spent money to watch these boring movies. :P
I couldn't be the only one who was actually stressed during the first movie due to the lack of Robot presence on-screen. Everytime they showed some of the bot action, I couldn't even enjoy it coz I knew in a few seconds, I'd have to endure long scenes of just human interaction. It's all been said before, but damn, I've never been so stressed while watching a movie. haha.


We need a meme of this on the Advice Animals subreddit.

"See movie I end up hating. Watch both sequels and complain about how I hated them."

You people make me laugh. So pathetic. :lol:


Easy. Let's bring that down a notch, please. Your use of pathetic was absolutely unnecessary, here.


The point stands though. Let's imagine someone shot them self in the foot. What is the rational response?

a) "OUCH! JEEZE! I better go to a doctor!"

b) "OUCH! JEEZE! That really hurt! Better shoot my other foot and my unoccupied hand too."

If you chose b) then you've voided your right to complain.


I don't deny that you have a valid point, to some degree, but the "pathetic" part was over the line. Simple as that.
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Re: Ehren Kruger Confirmed as TF4 Writer

Postby Burn » Sun Apr 29, 2012 2:09 am

Burn is officially bored with the bashing of previous films.

I liked it better when we were just bashing Orci & Kurtzman.
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Re: Ehren Kruger Confirmed as TF4 Writer

Postby Autobot032 » Sun Apr 29, 2012 2:16 am

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Burn wrote:Burn is officially bored with the bashing of previous films.

I liked it better when we were just bashing Orci & Kurtzman.


We can go back to it, I'm game! :D
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Re: Ehren Kruger Confirmed as TF4 Writer

Postby MINDVVIPE » Sun Apr 29, 2012 2:30 am

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Autobot032 wrote:I don't deny that you have a valid point, to some degree, but the "pathetic" part was over the line. Simple as that.

Its not a valid point. Shooting yourself is gauranteed pain. Watching TF movies, as a TF Fan, is not anything like that analogy. We all know this is an idiotic analogy that was meant to defend against hurt feelings from having something that you like beat down.
Deal with it. Its a forum. (Not directed at you, Autobot032)
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Re: Ehren Kruger Confirmed as TF4 Writer

Postby Capt.Failure » Sun Apr 29, 2012 3:03 am

MINDVVIPE wrote:
Autobot032 wrote:I don't deny that you have a valid point, to some degree, but the "pathetic" part was over the line. Simple as that.

Its not a valid point. Shooting yourself is gauranteed pain. Watching TF movies, as a TF Fan, is not anything like that analogy. We all know this is an idiotic analogy that was meant to defend against hurt feelings from having something that you like beat down.
Deal with it. Its a forum. (Not directed at you, Autobot032)


If your buyer's remorse is so bad that you have to deny cold, hard logic than I can't help you. Sorry. :roll:

What you thought of the films means nothing to me. I don't know you, I don't care to. Attempting to paint me as some emotionally hurt fanboy isn't helping your case.

Done with you now. Bored. Got paint to watch dry. >:oP
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Re: Ehren Kruger Confirmed as TF4 Writer

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MINDVVIPE wrote:
Capt.Failure wrote:
Autobot032 wrote:
Capt.Failure wrote:
MINDVVIPE wrote:Your all forgetting the biggest plothole to all three movies. The plothole of why I actually spent money to watch these boring movies. :P
I couldn't be the only one who was actually stressed during the first movie due to the lack of Robot presence on-screen. Everytime they showed some of the bot action, I couldn't even enjoy it coz I knew in a few seconds, I'd have to endure long scenes of just human interaction. It's all been said before, but damn, I've never been so stressed while watching a movie. haha.


We need a meme of this on the Advice Animals subreddit.

"See movie I end up hating. Watch both sequels and complain about how I hated them."

You people make me laugh. So pathetic. :lol:


Easy. Let's bring that down a notch, please. Your use of pathetic was absolutely unnecessary, here.


The point stands though. Let's imagine someone shot them self in the foot. What is the rational response?

a) "OUCH! JEEZE! I better go to a doctor!"

b) "OUCH! JEEZE! That really hurt! Better shoot my other foot and my unoccupied hand too."

If you chose b) then you've voided your right to complain.


You're such a smart guy. Maybe one day I'll be as smart as you, and be able to enjoy the movies.


We can only hope...
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Re: Ehren Kruger Confirmed as TF4 Writer

Postby Dagon » Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:42 pm

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Capt.Failure wrote:
MINDVVIPE wrote:
Autobot032 wrote:I don't deny that you have a valid point, to some degree, but the "pathetic" part was over the line. Simple as that.

Its not a valid point. Shooting yourself is gauranteed pain. Watching TF movies, as a TF Fan, is not anything like that analogy. We all know this is an idiotic analogy that was meant to defend against hurt feelings from having something that you like beat down.
Deal with it. Its a forum. (Not directed at you, Autobot032)


If your buyer's remorse is so bad that you have to deny cold, hard logic than I can't help you. Sorry. :roll:

What you thought of the films means nothing to me. I don't know you, I don't care to. Attempting to paint me as some emotionally hurt fanboy isn't helping your case.
Done with you now. Bored. Got paint to watch dry. >:oP


Right on. Painting one as the emotionally hurt fanboy is only a valid strategy when you're doing it to someone who didn't like the movies. Everyone knows that only people who didn't like them are some how irrational and stupid, and could never, ever have valid reasons for not liking them. Those fools and their "opinions," bah.
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Re: Ehren Kruger Confirmed as TF4 Writer

Postby Capt.Failure » Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:51 pm

Dagon wrote:
Capt.Failure wrote:
MINDVVIPE wrote:
Autobot032 wrote:I don't deny that you have a valid point, to some degree, but the "pathetic" part was over the line. Simple as that.

Its not a valid point. Shooting yourself is gauranteed pain. Watching TF movies, as a TF Fan, is not anything like that analogy. We all know this is an idiotic analogy that was meant to defend against hurt feelings from having something that you like beat down.
Deal with it. Its a forum. (Not directed at you, Autobot032)


If your buyer's remorse is so bad that you have to deny cold, hard logic than I can't help you. Sorry. :roll:

What you thought of the films means nothing to me. I don't know you, I don't care to. Attempting to paint me as some emotionally hurt fanboy isn't helping your case.
Done with you now. Bored. Got paint to watch dry. >:oP


Right on. Painting one as the emotionally hurt fanboy is only a valid strategy when you're doing it to someone who didn't like the movies. Everyone knows that only people who didn't like them are some how irrational and stupid, and could never, ever have valid reasons for not liking them. Those fools and their "opinions," bah.


I was going to write a long thought out statement about how your entire argument is nothing more than a pile of fallacious logic, but instead I'm just gonna laugh and shoo you away. :lol:

Kids these days. :roll:
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Re: Ehren Kruger Confirmed as TF4 Writer

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Capt.Failure wrote:
MINDVVIPE wrote:
Autobot032 wrote:I don't deny that you have a valid point, to some degree, but the "pathetic" part was over the line. Simple as that.

Its not a valid point. Shooting yourself is gauranteed pain. Watching TF movies, as a TF Fan, is not anything like that analogy. We all know this is an idiotic analogy that was meant to defend against hurt feelings from having something that you like beat down.
Deal with it. Its a forum. (Not directed at you, Autobot032)


If your buyer's remorse is so bad that you have to deny cold, hard logic than I can't help you. Sorry. :roll:

What you thought of the films means nothing to me. I don't know you, I don't care to. Attempting to paint me as some emotionally hurt fanboy isn't helping your case.
Done with you now. Bored. Got paint to watch dry. >:oP


Right on. Painting one as the emotionally hurt fanboy is only a valid strategy when you're doing it to someone who didn't like the movies. Everyone knows that only people who didn't like them are some how irrational and stupid, and could never, ever have valid reasons for not liking them. Those fools and their "opinions," bah.


Most of the critics where. They never explained their reasons for not liking the movies. They just called them "loud". Which means nothing. And the "facts" they gave for their reasons for not liking the movies where invalid because they obviously weren't paying attention to the movie at all. I can understand people not liking the movies, but critics who bash the movies and their fanbase because they failed to pay attention, and just because the movie has a certain director's name stamped to it, that pisses me off. Then their opinions rub off on the audiences. And they fail to pay attention, thinking that what the critics said was pure truth, when it wasn't.
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Re: Ehren Kruger Confirmed as TF4 Writer

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I'm fine with Ehren Kruger returning. I liked DOTM, so I'm cool with it. As far as the haters go its like the old saying goes.. Haters gonna hate. One thing people need to realize..

Movies are not made for fans. There made for everyone else. This has been the going formula since.. well, comic books and 80's cartoons have been turned into movies. That's how it is, thats how it always will be. The sooner you accept this, the sooner you can go about your life.

As far as a re-boot goes i have yet to have anyone give a solid reason why we should have a re-boot this early in the game. Non, zip, nada. =;
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Re: Ehren Kruger Confirmed as TF4 Writer

Postby Capt.Failure » Tue May 01, 2012 6:50 am

5150 Cruiser wrote:I'm fine with Ehren Kruger returning. I liked DOTM, so I'm cool with it. As far as the haters go its like the old saying goes.. Haters gonna hate. One thing people need to realize..

Movies are not made for fans. There made for everyone else. This has been the going formula since.. well, comic books and 80's cartoons have been turned into movies. That's how it is, thats how it always will be. The sooner you accept this, the sooner you can go about your life.

As far as a re-boot goes i have yet to have anyone give a solid reason why we should have a re-boot this early in the game. Non, zip, nada. =;


They didn't like it, so their opinion supersedes that of anyone else. Thus we need a reboot. :roll:

See, I can toss around logical fallacies too. Shame this is the only argument 90% of them have.
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Re: Ehren Kruger Confirmed as TF4 Writer

Postby Dagon » Tue May 01, 2012 8:31 am

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Capt.Failure wrote:
MINDVVIPE wrote:
Autobot032 wrote:I don't deny that you have a valid point, to some degree, but the "pathetic" part was over the line. Simple as that.

Its not a valid point. Shooting yourself is gauranteed pain. Watching TF movies, as a TF Fan, is not anything like that analogy. We all know this is an idiotic analogy that was meant to defend against hurt feelings from having something that you like beat down.
Deal with it. Its a forum. (Not directed at you, Autobot032)


If your buyer's remorse is so bad that you have to deny cold, hard logic than I can't help you. Sorry. :roll:

What you thought of the films means nothing to me. I don't know you, I don't care to. Attempting to paint me as some emotionally hurt fanboy isn't helping your case.
Done with you now. Bored. Got paint to watch dry. >:oP


Right on. Painting one as the emotionally hurt fanboy is only a valid strategy when you're doing it to someone who didn't like the movies. Everyone knows that only people who didn't like them are some how irrational and stupid, and could never, ever have valid reasons for not liking them. Those fools and their "opinions," bah.


I was going to write a long thought out statement about how your entire argument is nothing more than a pile of fallacious logic, but instead I'm just gonna laugh and shoo you away. :lol:

Kids these days. :roll:


Whew, well, that's a relief, since it's not fallacious logic afterall. In the instance that someone doesn't like the movies, they are decried as being fanboys who percieve injury has occured at the hands of a cruel movie series that "ruins" their beloved franchise. Movie fans throw around the butthurt fanboy or Geewun arguments and that's fine, but all that is is just more name calling, and it lowers movie fans to the same level as Geewunners and crybabies. That's subjective of course, in terms of how 'low' that level may be, but if Geewunners are name callers, then calling Geewunners Geewunners is name calling as well.
Personally, I liked DOTM and the first movie and thought ROFT was bad, and that's my opinion and all, and I don't care if people agree or disagree. I just think it's funny when either side of the arguement derides the other side as being petty when their derision causes them to be petty as well. That's not a fallacy, that's an observation, and it can be backed with numerous examples from not only this argument/fandom, but from many, some of which even occur in real life.
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Re: Ehren Kruger Confirmed as TF4 Writer

Postby Capt.Failure » Tue May 01, 2012 4:41 pm

Dagon wrote:
Capt.Failure wrote:
Dagon wrote:
Capt.Failure wrote:
MINDVVIPE wrote:
Autobot032 wrote:I don't deny that you have a valid point, to some degree, but the "pathetic" part was over the line. Simple as that.

Its not a valid point. Shooting yourself is gauranteed pain. Watching TF movies, as a TF Fan, is not anything like that analogy. We all know this is an idiotic analogy that was meant to defend against hurt feelings from having something that you like beat down.
Deal with it. Its a forum. (Not directed at you, Autobot032)


If your buyer's remorse is so bad that you have to deny cold, hard logic than I can't help you. Sorry. :roll:

What you thought of the films means nothing to me. I don't know you, I don't care to. Attempting to paint me as some emotionally hurt fanboy isn't helping your case.
Done with you now. Bored. Got paint to watch dry. >:oP


Right on. Painting one as the emotionally hurt fanboy is only a valid strategy when you're doing it to someone who didn't like the movies. Everyone knows that only people who didn't like them are some how irrational and stupid, and could never, ever have valid reasons for not liking them. Those fools and their "opinions," bah.


I was going to write a long thought out statement about how your entire argument is nothing more than a pile of fallacious logic, but instead I'm just gonna laugh and shoo you away. :lol:

Kids these days. :roll:


Whew, well, that's a relief, since it's not fallacious logic afterall. In the instance that someone doesn't like the movies, they are decried as being fanboys who percieve injury has occured at the hands of a cruel movie series that "ruins" their beloved franchise. Movie fans throw around the butthurt fanboy or Geewun arguments and that's fine, but all that is is just more name calling, and it lowers movie fans to the same level as Geewunners and crybabies. That's subjective of course, in terms of how 'low' that level may be, but if Geewunners are name callers, then calling Geewunners Geewunners is name calling as well.
Personally, I liked DOTM and the first movie and thought ROFT was bad, and that's my opinion and all, and I don't care if people agree or disagree. I just think it's funny when either side of the arguement derides the other side as being petty when their derision causes them to be petty as well. That's not a fallacy, that's an observation, and it can be backed with numerous examples from not only this argument/fandom, but from many, some of which even occur in real life.


Eh, as I said before my comments had nothing to do with someone not liking the movie. It had everything to do with someone hating the movie then going back to see two sequels knowing they'd hate them, then complaining like they're surprised. It's a common sense issue. Was hoping that seemed apparent. :-?

To draw an example I thought The Fantastic Four was pure crap and felt offended they stole my money. I sure as hell didn't go see Rise of the Silver Surfer.
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Re: Ehren Kruger Confirmed as TF4 Writer

Postby Sabrblade » Tue May 01, 2012 10:11 pm

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Capt.Failure wrote:Eh, as I said before my comments had nothing to do with someone not liking the movie. It had everything to do with someone hating the movie then going back to see two sequels knowing they'd hate them, then complaining like they're surprised. It's a common sense issue. Was hoping that seemed apparent. :-?

To draw an example I thought The Fantastic Four was pure crap and felt offended they stole my money. I sure as hell didn't go see Rise of the Silver Surfer.
Well, it's not impossible for one to go to a movie, dislike it, then go see the sequel expecting it to be just as unlikable, but instead find the sequel to be surprisingly more entertaining.

To use your Fantastic four example, when I saw that movie, it bored me. Then I saw Rise of the Silver Surfer and, up until the last part of the climax, I found it to be much more enjoyable than the first movie. The first movie was mostly experimentation and science talk, with one big action scene coming in too little too late. The second movie pulled me in more with more action, more suspense, and a big power battle with Doom that I that was much cooler. The only big downside of the film for me was what they did to Galactus and how easily beaten he was. But up until that point, the rest felt more fun to me than the first movie.

Now as for Transformers, what's wrong with wanting these people to learn from their experiences with the first three films and try to make something a little more worthwhile with the fourth?
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Re: Ehren Kruger Confirmed as TF4 Writer

Postby Capt.Failure » Wed May 02, 2012 12:53 am

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Capt.Failure wrote:Eh, as I said before my comments had nothing to do with someone not liking the movie. It had everything to do with someone hating the movie then going back to see two sequels knowing they'd hate them, then complaining like they're surprised. It's a common sense issue. Was hoping that seemed apparent. :-?

To draw an example I thought The Fantastic Four was pure crap and felt offended they stole my money. I sure as hell didn't go see Rise of the Silver Surfer.
Well, it's not impossible for one to go to a movie, dislike it, then go see the sequel expecting it to be just as unlikable, but instead find the sequel to be surprisingly more entertaining.

To use your Fantastic four example, when I saw that movie, it bored me. Then I saw Rise of the Silver Surfer and, up until the last part of the climax, I found it to be much more enjoyable than the first movie. The first movie was mostly experimentation and science talk, with one big action scene coming in too little too late. The second movie pulled me in more with more action, more suspense, and a big power battle with Doom that I that was much cooler. The only big downside of the film for me was what they did to Galactus and how easily beaten he was. But up until that point, the rest felt more fun to me than the first movie.

Now as for Transformers, what's wrong with wanting these people to learn from their experiences with the first three films and try to make something a little more worthwhile with the fourth?


Not a thing. But I'm just going to laugh at someone who's surprised they didn't like the sequels. You obviously based your expectations on Rise of the Silver Surfer off the previous film. That's both rational and how a normal person would act. However you understood the risk you took seeing a sequel to a film you didn't like.

Then there's someone who's honestly surprised a sequel to a film they hated is a film they hate, and complain like it's a surprise. My common sense is tingling and it's telling me you* have none.

*Note: I mean "you" as in "nebulous group of people I'm speaking of, not you Sabrblade
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