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News Credits: 22 · by **Rodimus Prime** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 3:05 pm

I was at my local comic store earlier, and I spotted the entire DreamWave Energon series under the Transformers section. The bundle cost $40, and they were all in pristine shape. I remember nothing of the story, other than it being a continuation of Armada and Galvatron killing Scorponok. I liked Armada (cartoon and comics), but I didn't care for the Energon cartoon series, as little as I saw of it. I did like Super Link, but the 2 were very different, I was told. Anyway, I was curious about the comics, but didn't feel like opening each issue from its sealed bag-and-board. Is the series a worthy follow-up to Armada, and are the 12 issues worth the $40? Also, I liked Simon Furman's writing from back then, but the ReGeneration series let me down big time. Did he still have his touch with Energon, or did he lose it by then?

News Credits: 438 · by **Sabrblade** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 3:39 pm

The Energon comics are just... okay. They're not the most awesome thing ever, nor are they the worst thing ever (like the cartoon was). They're just... neutral, really. Nothing special or charming, but not terrible either (thereby making them better than the cartoon by default). The have a few cool bits in them, but it's mostly just a by-the-numbers series.

Doesn't help that it was canceled and unfinished due to Dreamwave going under, but Simon Furman did post summaries of the unproduced final issues on his blog for those wanting to know how it all would have ended.

Like chaosmage42 on Facebook · by **chaosmage42** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 8:32 am

not worth it-problem is those comics are not finished and the energon story was only barely getting started -it was mainly just continuing armada -which i think would have been better if it ended right there because they had to bring in kicker and the other crap from the tv series

News Credits: 438 · by **Sabrblade** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 8:43 am

chaosmage42 wrote:not worth it-problem is those comics are not finished and the energon story was only barely getting started -it was mainly just continuing armada -which i think would have been better if it ended right there because they had to bring in kicker and the other crap from the tv series

Kicker wasn't a product of the cartoon. He was a product the series' conception itself. Like how Sparkplug Witwicky was in both the G1 cartoon and the Marvel comics. Kicker was made to be in both mediums, and at least the comics version wasn't annoying and mental like his cartoon self.

Like chaosmage42 on Facebook · by **chaosmage42** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 5:19 pm

thats only because it had barely gotten anywhere are the humans played a MINOR ROLE in the series -most of the time it was bot to con fights -also they didn't have to use kicker they chose to use him-plus the multiver thing was good i just wish the battle with the actual unicron was longer -that aside don't buy them -its just not worth it -now the armada comics definately buy those their good espically the final battle stuff really good stuff there

by **TurboMMaster** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 1:51 am

I have found Armade and Energon Comic adaptations very interesting and funny to read. Like almost always comics are much better than animated series. However, the main point is: A lot of potential in UT was wasted by cartoon creators laziness. So many great idea jossed...

I have some strange sentiment to Armada/Energon, mostly because it was the last time, when Transformers series supposed to be different from the previous one. Latear all is pretty much the same. Cybertron pretty much brings back things we saw in G1, idea of Prime's beign underdog was jossed already in RotF, and Animated was complelty anty-original. WFC was redesigned G1, and Prime give us few character redesigned from scrap, dark atmosphere, Starscream that didn't die and Megatron outliving Optimus, but still, they could give us more new elements.

News Credits: 22 · by **Rodimus Prime** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 8:08 am

TurboMMaster wrote:Animated was complelty anty-original.

Explain, please.

News Credits: 438 · by **Sabrblade** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 8:10 am

Rodimus Prime wrote:
TurboMMaster wrote:Animated was complelty anty-original.

Explain, please.

Yeah, TurboMMaster, while a lot of the character designs and voices were direct homages to things that came before, what about all the other things that Animated did on its own?

News Credits: 1350 · by **ZeroWolf** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 11:47 am

TurboMMaster wrote:I have found Armade and Energon Comic adaptations very interesting and funny to read. Like almost always comics are much better than animated series. However, the main point is: A lot of potential in UT was wasted by cartoon creators laziness. So many great idea jossed...

I have some strange sentiment to Armada/Energon, mostly because it was the last time, when Transformers series supposed to be different from the previous one. Latear all is pretty much the same. Cybertron pretty much brings back things we saw in G1, idea of Prime's beign underdog was jossed already in RotF, and Animated was complelty anty-original. WFC was redesigned G1, and Prime give us few character redesigned from scrap, dark atmosphere, Starscream that didn't die and Megatron outliving Optimus, but still, they could give us more new elements.

I also take offence to some of the things you've said. Cybertron played around with the idea of colonised planets, it introduced Vector Prime who is import to the franchise, Primus appearing as a transformed Cybertron.

Animated, completely new characters for animation like Lugnut and Lockdown as well as Sentinel Prime. New twists like Omega Supreme been hidden away. How Elita 1 became Black Aracniha, Megatron rising back into prominence, Ultra Magnus being the main leader.

Also WfC isn't G1....Its Prime continuity, despite what we want. Also. Starscream surviving is debatable, in my opinion he's dead as Predaking wouldnt let him live, and I really hope he is dead.

Just thinking technically Starscream survived G1, being an immortal spark and all.

News Credits: 438 · by **Sabrblade** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 12:05 pm

ZeroWolf wrote:Also WfC isn't G1....Its Prime continuity, despite what we want.

That's not what he meant. He meant that WFC is essentially a new G1-esque thing, even though it itself isn't G1.

Like chaosmage42 on Facebook · by **chaosmage42** » Wed Sep 24, 2014 10:17 pm

dude the war for cybertron and fall of cybertron are not connected dispite what has been said for several reasons. First of all the back story doesn't match at all the way the Prime's prime and the game prime become prime dare significantly different. though they do have a few things in common -its not the same. flash back images and other elements are very different also how does any of the ark flying into a wormhole to earth match up at all -and don't bring that exodus novel with all the errors i hear it has and my own previous experience with transformer novels i don't trust it.

what we are seeing is them trying to mash it into the continuity when it doesn't belong - when the next advancement in the cybertron game series actually comes -which is kinda what i think the last game was -a test to see what earth combat would be like for the engine. I think we will see new stuff with the story line in the future.

Also i don't the aligned continuity means their in the same world i think it just means that they are following the same production bible for this stuff -the 13 primes, the fact that primus is cybertron ect...

News Credits: 438 · by **Sabrblade** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 8:17 am

chaosmage42 wrote:dude the war for cybertron and fall of cybertron are not connected dispite what has been said for several reasons. First of all the back story doesn't match at all the way the Prime's prime and the game prime become prime dare significantly different. though they do have a few things in common -its not the same. flash back images and other elements are very different also how does any of the ark flying into a wormhole to earth match up at all -and don't bring that exodus novel with all the errors i hear it has and my own previous experience with transformer novels i don't trust it.

what we are seeing is them trying to mash it into the continuity when it doesn't belong - when the next advancement in the cybertron game series actually comes -which is kinda what i think the last game was -a test to see what earth combat would be like for the engine. I think we will see new stuff with the story line in the future.

Also i don't the aligned continuity means their in the same world i think it just means that they are following the same production bible for this stuff -the 13 primes, the fact that primus is cybertron ect...

Oh goody, another who's been deceived by aesthetics. >:oP

News Credits: 1350 · by **ZeroWolf** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 10:20 am

It's a fact that they are connected, just accept it and move on. The last game was actually more hype for Age of Extinction.

by **TurboMMaster** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 1:37 pm

ZeroWolf wrote: Starscream surviving is debatable, in my opinion he's dead as Predaking wouldnt let him live, and I really hope he is dead.

It was discussed few times already, first rule of death in fantasy/sf "You aren't dead as long as they didn't find the bodie.

Starscream plot in Prime ended with typical cliffhanger, his final fate isn't revealed. That means that at worst scenerio he died soon after events of Predacon's Rising not "during". So for me, even if he died, se still can count as a survivor in Prime's Cartoon Part.

Rodimus Prime wrote:
TurboMMaster wrote:Animated was complelty anty-original.

Explain, please.

First seazon is nothing more but different version of 2007 movie, almost any character is only slightly different from his G1, BW or Bayformers Counterpart. Later, they used G1 concept of Autobot fighting with Earth-based villians etc, etc.

Of course there is a few changes, firstly, The Balance of Power is for sure on Autobot side this time, and we have great Sentinel, but it's kinda not enough...

Animated, completely new characters for animation like Lugnut and Lockdown

2 new characters in entire franchsie isn't so impresive number, especially when there is no completly redesigned characters .

Cybertron played around with the idea of colonised planets,

I remember Transformers colonies back in G1.

Ultra Magnus being the main leader.

In Beast Wars Primal wasn't Main Leader of Entire Faction either.

News Credits: 1350 · by **ZeroWolf** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 2:13 pm

I don't remember any g1 colonies, though now I do remember colony worlds in the Japanese expansions of G1.

On the animated front, so what? The plot of the whole season is like bayformers? Maybe if you boil it down like that but then a lot more things become similar like that. Two characters were off the top of my head, as for redesigned characters...wasn't that the entire cast almost barring a few colour schemes. I mean, maybe I'm wrong, maybe blitzwing was a triple personality crackpot, the two constructicons were from new jersey, prowl was a ninja bike then a samurai bike, Starscream split into different aspects of his personality one of which is female.

Also the human villains done in a different way here but thanks for reminding me that G1 had them too.

News Credits: 438 · by **Sabrblade** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 2:45 pm

ZeroWolf wrote:I don't remember any g1 colonies,

Paradron and that one planet from the Cosmic Rust episode.

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Sat Sep 27, 2014 3:38 pm

Sabrblade wrote:The Energon comics are just... okay. They're not the most awesome thing ever, nor are they the worst thing ever (like the cartoon was). They're just... neutral, really. Nothing special or charming, but not terrible either (thereby making them better than the cartoon by default). The have a few cool bits in them, but it's mostly just a by-the-numbers series.

Doesn't help that it was canceled and unfinished due to Dreamwave going under, but Simon Furman did post summaries of the unproduced final issues on his blog for those wanting to know how it all would have ended.

got a link?

News Credits: 438 · by **Sabrblade** » Sat Sep 27, 2014 7:12 pm

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:got a link?

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Sat Sep 27, 2014 10:29 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:got a link?
http://simonfurman.wordpress.com/2010/11/22/energon-%e2%80%94-revisited/
http://simonfurman.wordpress.com/2010/11/23/energon-archive-1/
http://simonfurman.wordpress.com/2010/11/24/energon-archive-2/
http://simonfurman.wordpress.com/2010/11/26/energon-archive-3/
http://simonfurman.wordpress.com/2010/11/28/energon-archive-4/
http://simonfurman.wordpress.com/2010/12/02/energon-archive-5/
http://simonfurman.wordpress.com/2010/12/06/energon-archive-6/
http://simonfurman.wordpress.com/2010/12/07/energon-archive-7/
http://simonfurman.wordpress.com/2010/12/09/energon-archive-8/
http://simonfurman.wordpress.com/2010/12/13/energon-archive-9/
http://simonfurman.wordpress.com/2010/12/15/energon-archive-10/
http://simonfurman.wordpress.com/2010/12/17/energon-archive-conclusion/

kool, thanks a bunch :BOWDOWN:

by **TurboMMaster** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:25 am

ZeroWolf wrote:
On the animated front, so what? The plot of the whole season is like bayformers? Maybe if you boil it down like that but then a lot more things become similar like that.

Remember that Animated and first movie was relased the same year, so we have got one story told twice in one year!

ZeroWolf wrote:Two characters were off the top of my head, as for redesigned characters...wasn't that the entire cast almost barring a few colour schemes. I mean, maybe I'm wrong, maybe blitzwing was a triple personality crackpot, the two constructicons were from new jersey, prowl was a ninja bike then a samurai bike

Prowl is in fact, new Dinobot with some Tigetron's traits so he isn't so bad, but Starscream is basically only a new version of G1 Starscream (just like he was in Cybertron). Lugnut is Blackout modeled after Shockwave. I agree about Blitzwing, but it's still isn't much if you remember how many characters are just like their previous conuterparts.

Idea of Primus beign physical God with Alt-mode of Cybertron was wasted, mostly because Primus itself was portrayed as living superweapon of Autubots. In both Cybertron and Prime we could have something new and fresh (at least in Transformers cartoon), if only Cybertronians were more spiritual race (Because, why not?)...

News Credits: 22 · by **Rodimus Prime** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:38 am

TurboMMaster wrote:Prowl is in fact, new Dinobot with some Tigetron's traits so he isn't so bad

...? OK, I actually see a tiny bit of Tigatron's personality in TFA Prowl. But Dinobot? No way.

but Starscream is basically only a new version of G1 Starscream (just like he was in Cybertron).

Every Starscream (that I am familiar with, which is not all of them) is a version of G1 Starscream. Some closer than others (Galaxy Force much more than Armada).

Lugnut is Blackout modeled after Shockwave.

So it's not really the same character, is it? Lugnut has a very minimal resemblance to Shockwave (I assume you meant G1) with the 1 eye, huge chest and the cannon arm. And has nothing in common with Blackout from the 2007 movie.

News Credits: 1350 · by **ZeroWolf** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:39 am

You know Hasbro can't win with the franchise, people complain about characters not being the same and then people complain that they are the same (even if they're not exactly the same).

Also why spiritual? Just saying 'just cause' isn't a good enough reason. Current IDW is probably the closest to that route (having had plenty of time to do world building) even then it's done subtly, not being intrusive.

Like chaosmage42 on Facebook · by **chaosmage42** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 11:57 am

i agree the idw route is really good so far -espically the lack of humans -and the disscussion of heavier topics but the problem i have is that their still trying to force feed stuff to us that makes no sense -espically things like the alliegned continuity it just makes plot holes - personally unless there is a direct link between the series ie energon form armada each series is seperate in my eyes -other wise you can't make sense of a lot of stuff

News Credits: 438 · by **Sabrblade** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 12:17 pm

The way Hasbro went about first giving us WFC and then Prime before going into all of the stuff in the middle wasn't smart, IMO.

It's like if they had first given us the first three episodes of the G1 cartoon ("More Than Meets The Eye, Parts 1-3"), and then immediately gave us G1 season 3 right after, without the rest of season 1, any of season 2, or the 1986 movie between the two.

Or like if they gave us the first two episodes of Beast Wars, and then gave us Beast Machines immediately after, without the rest of Beast Wars in the middle.

They gave us an early chapter of the story, and then succeeded it immediately after with a much much later chapter of the story, instead of building up to that point in the timeline with everything that occurs after WFC but before Prime.

Not to mention that they don't seem to give two cents about aesthetic synchronization either, outside of the rarest of cases like when the Core of Cybertron used the same design in both the games and the cartoon. Everyone wants to do things their own way without caring about what others are doing. The left hand and the right hand were operating independently from one another instead of working together, all in the name of creative liberties. :roll:

Like chaosmage42 on Facebook · by **chaosmage42** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 1:45 pm

as ive said i don't think they were originally going to be the same -whats happened is they both are form the same source matterial -the bible of this stuff-and thats why they have enough similaries that morons at the top think they can smash them together but they are different enough that the flaws are obvious. For example the starscream in primes is survila and doesn't directly oppose megatron he tries to steal command. the cybertron starscream actally directly opposes megatron tries to get an army to fight him and even orders his death to his face. Overall their different people. Also in the primes premier he is shocked megatron found dark energon and put it into his spark chamber but he already would have had it accourding to the game plus starscream of the game guarded the stuff -i don't think he would be that surprised if it had been used in their war. Also unicron of the primes series was trying to poison cybertrons core with dark energon -thats what megatron did in the game. like i said i just don't think they were originally part of one another and we shouldn't treat them as such -i know there was the beast hunter comic but i still say it doesn't match up with the actual events.