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Re: Exodus Vs.

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Mon Apr 04, 2011 5:58 pm

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Cyberstrike wrote:Megatron meant to say: "that the Decepticons rebuilt them in those caves" in season 1. That's my opinion on that

"built" them new bodies fits better.

Sabrblade wrote:And, like Sto said, the contradictions that exist within the G1 cartoon are very minimal when compared to the more blatant contradictions between the G1 cartoon and the Exodus novel. In the case of the G1 cartoon, its only a few bits and pieces that conflict with each other, whereas it's an entire history of events and entire personalities of characters in the Exodus novel that conflict with the G1 cartoon.
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Re: Exodus Vs.

Postby RK_Striker_JK_5 » Mon Apr 04, 2011 8:30 pm

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I never took the Matrix Vision fully literally when it came to the COnstructicons, myself. Most of them were generic-looking blobs IIRC.
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Re: Exodus Vs.

Postby Fearing » Tue Apr 05, 2011 7:15 am

Perhaps I need it explained to me or I totally missed something(it's been a couple years since I've watched it), but in the context of the show, Wheeljack never leaves Earth when creating the Dinobots vs. them having to go to Cybertron to give the Aerialbots life and saying that's the only way a Transformer can be created.. That SEEMS like a pretty big difference. Did they explain something somewhere else in the show?

Not sure what the constructicons one is that you mentioned. Is that how they created Megatron, but were then peaceful, created Crystal City and had to be reprogrammed with the Robo Smasher to follow Megatron? If so, I suppose I've never actually heard an explanation fro that one either.
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Re: Exodus Vs.

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Apr 05, 2011 10:30 am

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RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:I never took the Matrix Vision fully literally when it came to the COnstructicons, myself. Most of them were generic-looking blobs IIRC.
Which is why I worded it as, " individuals who appear to be the Constructicons." I didn't say they were, nor that they weren't, just that they looked to be them.

Though, Hauler's bio references this scene with having him be a former member of the Constructicons, as a nod to how there were eight Constructicon-looking bots in that scene. ;)

Fearing wrote:Perhaps I need it explained to me or I totally missed something(it's been a couple years since I've watched it), but in the context of the show, Wheeljack never leaves Earth when creating the Dinobots vs. them having to go to Cybertron to give the Aerialbots life and saying that's the only way a Transformer can be created.. That SEEMS like a pretty big difference. Did they explain something somewhere else in the show?
Wheeljack didn't grant the Dinobots sparks, but instead built Memory Components to upgrade their brains and thus give them somewhat smarter and more stable artificial personalities.

If one wants to assume that they later got sparks of their own eventually, that's fine. But for what Wheeljack did to make them on Earth, sparks weren't involved.

Fearing wrote:Not sure what the constructicons one is that you mentioned. Is that how they created Megatron, but were then peaceful, created Crystal City and had to be reprogrammed with the Robo Smasher to follow Megatron? If so, I suppose I've never actually heard an explanation fro that one either.
What Sto is saying about that is that some people cite how Megatron said that the Constructicons built on Earth clashes with their backstory given later, in which they already existed on Cybertron and weren't Decepticons until Megatron got to them with the Robo-Smaher. But the line Megatron says about building them on Earth is really uttered only in passing, leaving room for one to say that they built their Earth bodies on Earth.

...though, the episode where we see them on Cybertron in the past shows them already having their Earthen altmodes (and Decepticon symbols to boot!), so this could likely be just an animation error.
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Re: Exodus Vs.

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Tue Apr 05, 2011 10:40 am

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Fearing wrote:Perhaps I need it explained to me or I totally missed something(it's been a couple years since I've watched it), but in the context of the show, Wheeljack never leaves Earth when creating the Dinobots vs. them having to go to Cybertron to give the Aerialbots life and saying that's the only way a Transformer can be created.. That SEEMS like a pretty big difference. Did they explain something somewhere else in the show?


Its a simple explanation.The issue is that theres a difference between what fans perceived, and what was actually said.

They never said the "only way" a Transformer can be created was by going to Vector Sigma.As a mater of fact we have at least 2 TF groups created with out VG, the Dinobots and the Technobots.

What was said, by Optimus, was that there wasnt a way for Megatron "to give his cars Cybernetic personalities like theirs on Earth.

Meaning that Megatron didnt have the ability.

Now, further in the episode they explain what Vector Sigma is and what it does.

It is a "MEGA COMPUTER", which PROGRAMED THEM WITH LIFE.

Key words being a master computer and program.

Vector Sigma programs robots with a simulated artificial life program in mass numbers.

Wheeljack and Ratchet, being extremely smart, but just not smart enough, were able to program life at a more basic primitive lever, which explains the Dinobots.

Grimlock, when given super intelligence, was smart enough to program the Technobots would full normal personalities.


Not sure what the constructicons one is that you mentioned. Is that how they created Megatron, but were then peaceful, created Crystal City and had to be reprogrammed with the Robo Smasher to follow Megatron? If so, I suppose I've never actually heard an explanation fro that one either.


There creating Megatron, [if it was the same team], and then Megatron then having to reprogram them for evil is very easy to explain.

Think about this, even DR.Frankenstein did not intend to create a monster.

Theres no reason to assume the Constructicons that built Megatron [if its the same team] intended for Megatron to be evil and re-start the war.
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Re: Exodus Vs.

Postby Fearing » Tue Apr 05, 2011 11:08 am

Yeah, that kinda makes sense. Definitely takes a lot of explaining that they wouldn't have bothered to think about when writing it, but that works.
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Re: Exodus Vs.

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Tue Apr 05, 2011 11:36 am

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Fearing wrote:Yeah, that kinda makes sense. Definitely takes a lot of explaining that they wouldn't have bothered to think about when writing it, but that works.


The way I see it, its doesnt take much explaining,one just needs to forget what they think they remember and re-absorb the martial.

As kids, we all perceived cretin things from the episodes that werent always really there.Kid do stuff like that.

I've noticed issues like that from every fandom.

Trek Fans thinking "Enterprise" showing ship to ship communication contradicts Spocks in tos episode "Balance of terror"

Star Wars fans thinking that Pademe's death durring child birth contradicts Leia's dialog in Return of the Jedi.

And TF fans thinking theres a contradiction between Megatrons claim to have "built" the Constucticons and their exsistings on Cybertron of the past.Or thr so called Vector Sigma contradictions.

If you divorce yourself from your nostalgic memories and feelings and what you think you remember, and re-examine the martial from a logical fresh point of view you'll see that , in many cases, there really isint a solid contradiction.
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Re: Exodus Vs.

Postby Fearing » Tue Apr 05, 2011 12:42 pm

Nah, I would have never remembered the contradictions when I was a kid, I would have just went with it back then. It more comes from watching them a couple years ago. When my first kid was born and he needed to be fed every 3 hours I'd watch my old Rhino DVD's in the middle of the night and whatnot and went through the whole series that way. I think it probably came more from Megatron's statement where he technically DID say he built them on Earth (which, granted, can be taken several ways (in my own mental continuity that I use when reading certain things to make them more of interest to me, the Dinobots bodies would've been built on Earth with sparks that were stored on the ark for whatever reasons, to justify some of the cooler stories with Dinobots on Cybertron fitting in)), and just the fact that I probably never would've thought the Autobots would've made robots like the Dinobots without what essentially equals a soul. I probably never even considered that it would be a possibility. So that makes sense.

As far as Constructicons having Earth vehicle forms on Cybertron, that never really bothered me too much. Calling it an animation error is probably a disservice to some hard working animators, as it was probably intentional and more derived from a limit in the animation budgets that whoever funded the animation wouldn't put in time and money into new character designs to get the animators to work off of since even from the first episode their robot modes were basically made from parts of Earth vehicles as it was.

That explains a lot though. Even when I assumed there were some major plot holes/contradictions there, I usually overlook most of that stuff anyway with the G1 show and view it as a fableized telling of events being retold for childeren, since anything that tries to make reference to it for backstory, like the Dreamwave stuff(even though it technically is it's own universe, it definitely made reference to a fair amount of G1 cartoon stuff as happening in it's past), usually ends up with some hard to reconcile contradictions when you try to completely put the two stories together, but it's nice to see that, taken on it's own, you don't neccessarily have to do that with the show.
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Re: Exodus Vs.

Postby RK_Striker_JK_5 » Tue Apr 05, 2011 7:28 pm

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RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:I never took the Matrix Vision fully literally when it came to the COnstructicons, myself. Most of them were generic-looking blobs IIRC.
Which is why I worded it as, " individuals who appear to be the Constructicons." I didn't say they were, nor that they weren't, just that they looked to be them.

Though, Hauler's bio references this scene with having him be a former member of the Constructicons, as a nod to how there were eight Constructicon-looking bots in that scene. ;)


Ah, sorry. I wasn't commenting on what you wrote. Just a general tiring of people taking Rodimus' Matrix Vision too literally. Even though the Matrix Vision he experienced was refreshingly straightforward compared to a lot of visions I've seen in media, it was still a mental journey and prone to metaphor.

I should've worded that a bit clearer. My bad. #-o :oops:
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Re: Exodus Vs.

Postby Sabrblade » Fri Apr 08, 2011 9:52 pm

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RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Ah, sorry. I wasn't commenting on what you wrote. Just a general tiring of people taking Rodimus' Matrix Vision too literally. Even though the Matrix Vision he experienced was refreshingly straightforward compared to a lot of visions I've seen in media, it was still a mental journey and prone to metaphor.

I should've worded that a bit clearer. My bad. #-o :oops:
Tis okay.

Though, I do think Sto has a point in his Frankenstein comparison to G1 Cartoon Megs' birth. Megs' creators (be they the Constructicons or not) might not have been aware of the monster that their creation would become.
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Re: Exodus Vs.

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Sat Apr 09, 2011 10:01 am

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RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Ah, sorry. I wasn't commenting on what you wrote. Just a general tiring of people taking Rodimus' Matrix Vision too literally. Even though the Matrix Vision he experienced was refreshingly straightforward compared to a lot of visions I've seen in media, it was still a mental journey and prone to metaphor.

I should've worded that a bit clearer. My bad. #-o :oops:
Tis okay.

Though, I do think Sto has a point in his Frankenstein comparison to G1 Cartoon Megs' birth. Megs' creators (be they the Constructicons or not) might not have been aware of the monster that their creation would become.


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Re: Exodus Vs.

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Apr 09, 2011 10:49 am

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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
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RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Ah, sorry. I wasn't commenting on what you wrote. Just a general tiring of people taking Rodimus' Matrix Vision too literally. Even though the Matrix Vision he experienced was refreshingly straightforward compared to a lot of visions I've seen in media, it was still a mental journey and prone to metaphor.

I should've worded that a bit clearer. My bad. #-o :oops:
Tis okay.

Though, I do think Sto has a point in his Frankenstein comparison to G1 Cartoon Megs' birth. Megs' creators (be they the Constructicons or not) might not have been aware of the monster that their creation would become.


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Re: Exodus Vs.

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Sat Apr 09, 2011 11:05 am

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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
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RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Ah, sorry. I wasn't commenting on what you wrote. Just a general tiring of people taking Rodimus' Matrix Vision too literally. Even though the Matrix Vision he experienced was refreshingly straightforward compared to a lot of visions I've seen in media, it was still a mental journey and prone to metaphor.

I should've worded that a bit clearer. My bad. #-o :oops:
Tis okay.

Though, I do think Sto has a point in his Frankenstein comparison to G1 Cartoon Megs' birth. Megs' creators (be they the Constructicons or not) might not have been aware of the monster that their creation would become.


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coming from you, thats a complement.
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Re: Exodus Vs.

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Apr 09, 2011 11:13 am

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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:coming from you, thats a complement.
Ah, pish posh. You (and Shadowman) have doen more continuity workings than I have. :oops:
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Re: Exodus Vs.

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Sat Apr 09, 2011 11:15 am

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Ah, pish posh. You (and Shadowman) have doen more continuity workings than I have. :oops:


maybe, but your eye for detail is amazing.
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Re: Exodus Vs.

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Apr 09, 2011 11:36 am

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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:coming from you, thats a complement.
Ah, pish posh. You (and Shadowman) have doen more continuity workings than I have. :oops:


maybe, but your eye for detail is amazing.
Ah shucks.

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Re: Exodus Vs.

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Sat Apr 09, 2011 12:19 pm

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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:coming from you, thats a complement.
Ah, pish posh. You (and Shadowman) have doen more continuity workings than I have. :oops:


maybe, but your eye for detail is amazing.
Ah shucks.

Still, I had to go above and beyond more normal work effort for this. and, let's face it, I'm no Chris McFeely. ;)


I havent seen much from him these days
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Re: Exodus Vs.

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Apr 09, 2011 12:44 pm

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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:I havent seen much from him these days
I think he's mostly on the TFWiki now.

Like, he completely organized the G1 Optimus Prime toy page and annotated both Allpark Almanacs, among many other feats.
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Re: Exodus Vs.

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Sat Apr 09, 2011 12:45 pm

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Like, he completely organized the G1 Optimus Prime toy page and annotated both Allpark Almanacs, among many other feats.


I didnt know he was behind those, kool, thanks for the info
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Re: Exodus Vs.

Postby Shadowman » Sat Apr 09, 2011 1:39 pm

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Are...are those Angelfire pages? What is this, the Dark Ages?
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Re: Exodus Vs.

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Apr 09, 2011 2:09 pm

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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:I havent seen much from him these days
I think he's mostly on the TFWiki now.

Like, he completely organized the G1 Optimus Prime toy page and annotated both Allpark Almanacs, among many other feats.


Are...are those Angelfire pages? What is this, the Dark Ages?
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Re: Exodus Vs.

Postby Rodimus2006 » Sat Apr 09, 2011 11:57 pm

Motto: "We Live for the One, We Die for the One, But we dont Die Stupidly."
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I am also working on a Transformers Project called Shattered Galaxies I am working on it in the Fan Fiction.

I love being creative and coming up with new ideas, stories and characters for Transformers.

I have been with Transformers since the beginning I am now 30 years old and I still love watch and enjoy my transformers to this day.

I am both quite pleased with Prime looking forward to DOTM and the closure of the Bayformer Trilogy.

I dont know if I will get the Takara Sets from Shout such as Headmasters cause it is still unknown if it will be in english or not.

I love these new Prime episodes also your Exodus Vs. projecy seems like an interesting deal.

I hope you will all check out my project Shattered Galaxies in the fan fiction.

I have made 2 new Transformers for my project called Time Freeze & Clockstopper

See many people are complaining that they are not enough duo's in Transformers but in my Shattered Galaxies project I am remedying that promblem.

Some are Female Duo's, Some are Males and some are animal bot duos. Some duo's can combine into one Bigger Bot.
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Re: Exodus Vs.

Postby Shadowman » Sun Apr 10, 2011 12:01 am

Motto: "May God have mercy on my enemies, because I sure as hell won't."
Dude, what did any of that have anything to do with this thread?
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Re: Exodus Vs.

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Apr 10, 2011 12:31 pm

Motto: "FOR THE EARTH!!!"
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Shadowman wrote:Dude, what did any of that have anything to do with this thread?
Dude, it's Rodimus2006. Are you really all that surprised? ;)
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Re: Exodus Vs.

Postby Shadowman » Sun Apr 10, 2011 12:39 pm

Motto: "May God have mercy on my enemies, because I sure as hell won't."
Sabrblade wrote:
Shadowman wrote:Dude, what did any of that have anything to do with this thread?
Dude, it's Rodimus2006. Are you really all that surprised? ;)


No, but it's a question that I feel needs to be asked, or, if it has already been asked, needs to be asked again.
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