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I agree with just about everything you said. For the artists, it sucks they can't make any money. On a personal level, it sucks for me if see an awesome drawing, and can't get a print. Lose lose.

Samsonator wrote:
Will I stop buying Transformers?no

No, although there really isn't much for me in the stores right now.

Samsonator wrote:Will I stop buying 3rd party stuff? Also, No.

Not a laughable chance in hell.

Samsonator wrote:Will I stop renewing my Club subscription? Again, No.

I will not give anymore money to these irresponsible clowns. I will save a ton by buying from ebay instead of playing the cost of attending Botcon and the $42 for a "club". Not to mention the added peace of mind.

Samsonator wrote:Will I pass on any reasonable opportunities for me to hit a Botcon in the future? No.

Airfare+ Hotel+ Primus+ add-ons= $3000.00 vs $800.00 for all the toys on ebay. Pass.

And just as a side note, how much you wanna bet Has/Tak doesn't have permission for the UNDENIABLE Mcdowell Douglas F-15 they are using for MP-o3, MP-03G, MP-o6, MP-o7, MP-11, MP-11s, and the American versions.


Hypocrites.

And just as a side note, how much you wanna bet Has/Tak doesn't have permission for the UNDENIABLE Mcdowell Douglas F-15 they are using for MP-o3, MP-03G, MP-o6, MP-o7, MP-11, MP-11s, and the American versions.


Hypocrites.

Ha! That is hilariously true, not to mention the countless other like-licensed vehicles used over the years. Hypocrites indeed.

I don't find this as hard to believe or understand as some other here seem to. In fact, I think it makes perfect sense. If Hasbro wants to have any chance at all of fighting the third-party companies like Fansproject and TFC Toys, where the infringement issue is not clear cut (no exact copies of designs, no use of trademarked terms, etc...) they have to crack down against the blatant infringement. As someone else pointed out, US trademark law is a use it and defend it or lose it deal.

The timing of the move may be bad for the fans, but I can also see the logic behind it. If it's too late to back out and get a refund, people either have to go and get their money's worth out of what they spent, and recoup what they can under the new rules, or lose the investment and get nothing for it. Hasbro wins either way as they still get their money with no refunds.

I'm only surprised they haven't done this sooner.

alternator77 wrote:it just dawned on me that those trademarks hasbro just applied for may never see the light of day, what im saying is this could be just another step in their attempts to control their ip
i mean seriously they didnt have a tm on scorponok? talk about sleeping on the job

They still have it, they are just renewing the trademarks.

KenjaminLinus wrote:

And just as a side note, how much you wanna bet Has/Tak doesn't have permission for the UNDENIABLE Mcdowell Douglas F-15 they are using for MP-o3, MP-03G, MP-o6, MP-o7, MP-11, MP-11s, and the American versions.


Hypocrites.

Ha! That is hilariously true, not to mention the countless other like-licensed vehicles used over the years. Hypocrites indeed.

You wanna bet?

RID Side Burn, repaint came with this lovely emb;em from Dodge.

Binaltech/Alternators. Don't need to say anything more on that one.

The Movie figs: Admittedly, the auto companies are probably paying Hasbro on this onefor the advertising, but yiou can darn well guarentee there's a license in there somewhere.

About the only ones you can argue are the G1 rereleases, anymore. I don't know if Hastak went after licenses or if they've been hit with them later, or if the toys have been deemed "Not scale enough" to make a valid case on, even if it is based on an acgtual car. (See Cyb. Crosswise. he's based on a Citroen soemthing or other, but it's not enough to say he is one.) Hotwheels, believe it or not, does this sometimes too.

I'm with a fairly slight majority here. I'm not going to boycott anyone, I'll still join the club as Credit card fraud happens to anybody, and with as long as it took for them to hit my card, I don't know if it came from funpub or Paypal, who was also hit recently iirc.

I do agree, this is kinda a dumb move to annoucne so late, but I understand the IP rights. I cannot get behind this argument that it's to get OUT of the toy business though, because all of this is to SELL TOYS. What good are IP rights if no one is using them, hmm?

What Hasbro needs to do, when all this is over and their lawyers are fat and happy again, is put out a new contract with the artists that's a Convention-only license at a minimum, an X% of sales clause. It'll still drive away artists, as it ill make the tables that much more expensive, but it's the only logical compromise I see.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

FracturedKoi wrote:I can understand wanting to protect your property, IP, or whatnot, but to restrict fans enjoyment, creativity, enthusiasm, and fun at a convention for the fans is going a bit too far.

You're not totally getting it. It's not the fan art itself that's banned, it's selling it. Giving it away should be perfectly fine, as long as the artist don't earn money from Hasbro's IP without a license. That includes paid commissions.

I meant to elaborate more on my thoughts earlier, but I was running short on time. I'd have added a thought about how George Lucas treats his fans. Sure, he wantonly changes his films on a whim adding in superfluous amounts of the word "NO!" and blinking Ewoks...but he encourages fans to participate in groups like the 501...which consists of nothing but guys making and selling armor that's intended to be nearly exact replicas of what you're seen on screen.

As to rather the selling of these is frowned upon at Star Wars cons, I really can't say, but at least he acknowledges and encourages those of us that troop. (I'm not 501, but I do tend to show up at places as Vader of Boba Fett xD)

And I do "get" it, Jelz, I do. As I said, I understand wanting to protect your legally trademarked property. It just seems to me that there would've been a better way of handling the matter is all.

Ooh...I just thought of an amusing anecdote....

What if, and I hope you're seated people, but what if...

Someone had a booth selling nothing but old 80's GoBots =|

I wonder if Hasbro's flat out lying to us.

What if toy sales aren't doing as well as they stated? What if it's true that they're shifting to multimedia instead of toys?

More and more...I'm seeing the possibility where we won't see TFs any more. They'll make their money where and when they can and then move onto the next bigger better thing. Can't keep the toys going if they're not selling. We think they are, but what if they aren't?

I have a feeling we're seeing Hasbro jumping off of a sinking ship like a rat would.

I could be wrong, but something's not right here.