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Postby Bluebullet » Fri Feb 16, 2007 10:51 pm

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Grimshock wrote:What influence? What did we get besides Cullen?

Pretty much nothing, but you can't please everyone (or Fool everyone)all the time.

QFT.

This article was a waste of time. Bay hasn't listened to squat. We got, what, one out of a hundred things in the movie? Plus all of the promised "changes" were bull. It's things like this that made my stomach ulcer 20 times larger than average(No kidding!).
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Postby Shin Getter Robo » Sat Feb 17, 2007 1:23 am

Peter Cullen being cast is the single most important thing that could have happened to this movie. How many other movies have you had input into? I reckon zero.

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Postby Senor Hugo » Sat Feb 17, 2007 2:07 am

The article says Megatron was changed. How? Was there any change in how he first looked, and how he looks in the recent leaked images?

Peter Cullen as Prime, thats a good thing, about the only good thing to come from the movie, and it's sad that Prime is the only character that even looks(head wise) like a Transformer, apparently only Prime matter, no matter how many fans of Ratchet, Ironhide, Jazz, Bumblebee, Megatron and Starscream there are.

Kamen Rider Harry Munk wrote:Remember, sometimes the glass is half full, not half empty......


True, but this glass is far from half full. Honestly there shouldn't even have been a glass, as it's just hollywood wanting to get some money off something popular from the 80's. Next thing we know Corey Feldman will be starring in several movies.
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Postby Raymond T. » Sat Feb 17, 2007 2:36 am

Might I remind you guys that most of you joined the Don Murphy board at a time when production was already underway! Peter Cullen was only latest thing. I became a member there way back in 2003. And we were given the chance to discuss many issues, long before there was a crew to the movie. We discussed things like why we should have the Transformation sound, which originally was not in the planning. We talked about which characters to use and which not. Jazz got in, Arcee was dropped. We posted at length the fact that Transformers is more character driven that anything else, which is still reflected in any of the interviews given by Don Murphy and Tom DeSanto.

This was all discussed with the fans, long before there was a crew or a script. And all on the DMBoard. Long before people started bad-mouthing Murphy and other people working on the movie, and long before Don Murphy responded to any of that. And long before people took those comments towards those morons and started to believe Murphy's comments were directed towards the fans, which they weren't.
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Postby Spoon » Sat Feb 17, 2007 7:43 am

It's really no use trying to defend Don murphy, Raymond. He dug his own grave and the people that think he's a dork won't change their opinions based on what you say.

And yea, I agree with the rest of you guys. Bay didn't listen squat to what the fans had to say.
Yet in every interview and article bay happly claims that all the fans are excited and happy etc. Is he in touch with the fan base at all?
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Postby City Commander » Sat Feb 17, 2007 9:40 am

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I don't really think that we had any real affect on anything to do with the movie. Most things they probably planned to do anyway.
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This was all discussed with the fans, long before there was a crew or a script. And all on the DMBoard. Long before people started bad-mouthing Murphy and other people working on the movie, and long before Don Murphy responded to any of that. And long before people took those comments towards those morons and started to believe Murphy's comments were directed towards the fans, which they weren't.


In case you might forget, Don Murphy is the guy who not only banned people from his board because he personally did not like them, but also went onto other peoples' blogs (some of whom were TF fans like us) and personally insulted them and their families when said individuals merely stated that they disagree with the TF movie designs.

There is no excuse for the tenacity and clear lack of respect that Don Murphy has shown.
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Postby Raymond T. » Sat Feb 17, 2007 1:19 pm

Spoon wrote:It's really no use trying to defend Don murphy, Raymond. He dug his own grave and the people that think he's a dork won't change their opinions based on what you say.
Please learn to read. I didn't defend anyone. I was just stating that there was indeed a dialogue between fans and Murphy going, before certain people ruined it for others. You didn't hear me say that Murphy had no blame. But most of it started because people started to defend people who didn't deserve being defended, in the process those people got caught in the crossfire and became targets, which resulted in other people opening their yaps about arguments they didn't need to respond to and the whole thing escalated into more then it needed to be. That's not "defending" someone, that's how it went. Murphy could have handled thing differently, but if certain people have the gal to threaten people who work on the movie, threaten his wife Susan and spread lies to such a degree that it could have seriously cost him his job as a Hollywood producer, and then have other people defending these people... He is only human, and was at that time easy to go on the offensive.

But... that too is how (a group of) fans brought their infuences to the table. All in all, I do think the whole experience could have gone much worse. This was the first time in Hollywood history that communications were open between the production of a movie and the common people BEFORE the project even went into production. It established the movie much stronger than all the other movies coming out around july 4th, for both the studios as well as the public. Not to mention that this caused a free hype that has been brewing since 2003. Most movie you should be lucky to know what the general idea of the movie is 6 to 9 months before the movie opens. Transformers fans were given a look into the kitchen as it progressed.
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Postby Bluebullet » Sat Feb 17, 2007 1:29 pm

Raymond T. wrote: Transformers fans were given a look into the kitchen as it progressed.

More like Frankenstein's lab. :P
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Postby Grimshock » Sun Feb 18, 2007 8:57 am

Look at the proportion of positive responses to Bay's article versus negative responses. Really guys and gals, if you are as upset as I am about being abused, don't see the movie. This movie will likely make them a lot of money despite what we do, but let's not give these guys any more money than what the casual fans around the world would give it because they don't know what we know. In fact, we should do what we can to educate those fans so that movie producers realize fan bases are important. Then other properties don't have to suffer like ours.

I have friends who say to me, "Well, Spiderman pissed off it's fans with the web shooter thing", but I respond "Yes, but everything else was pretty much dead on. With TF's, the ratio is the reverse. Almost nothing is dead on." This isn't a TF movie.
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Postby Milanion » Sun Feb 18, 2007 11:44 am

There's a Transformers movie coming out that doesn't have a pink girlbot and lame rock ballads? That's no transformers movie! Boycott!
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Postby Alex Kingdom » Sun Feb 18, 2007 12:43 pm

Spoon wrote:And yea, I agree with the rest of you guys. Bay didn't listen squat to what the fans had to say.
Yet in every interview and article bay happly claims that all the fans are excited and happy etc. Is he in touch with the fan base at all?


Grimshock wrote:I have friends who say to me, "Well, Spiderman pissed off it's fans with the web shooter thing", but I respond "Yes, but everything else was pretty much dead on. With TF's, the ratio is the reverse. Almost nothing is dead on." This isn't a TF movie.


You two are so bang on how I feel about all this. Bay's claims that all fans are excited and happy are nothing but wishful thinking and PR for the movie. Like anyone trying to sell something they'll make positive often unture claims over and over in the vain hope that enough people will believe it that it wont matter that is not true.

Oh an Raymond, Don Murphy is a tool.

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Postby Stormrider » Mon Feb 19, 2007 3:21 am

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Bluebullet wrote:
Phategod1 wrote:
Grimshock wrote:What influence? What did we get besides Cullen?

Pretty much nothing, but you can't please everyone (or Fool everyone)all the time.

QFT.

This article was a waste of time. Bay hasn't listened to squat. We got, what, one out of a hundred things in the movie? Plus all of the promised "changes" were bull. It's things like this that made my stomach ulcer 20 times larger than average(No kidding!).


I agree. But according to Bay - he listened to the fans but just didn't care.
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Postby Stormrider » Mon Feb 19, 2007 3:25 am

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Predaprince wrote:
Raymond T. wrote:
This was all discussed with the fans, long before there was a crew or a script. And all on the DMBoard. Long before people started bad-mouthing Murphy and other people working on the movie, and long before Don Murphy responded to any of that. And long before people took those comments towards those morons and started to believe Murphy's comments were directed towards the fans, which they weren't.


In case you might forget, Don Murphy is the guy who not only banned people from his board because he personally did not like them, but also went onto other peoples' blogs (some of whom were TF fans like us) and personally insulted them and their families when said individuals merely stated that they disagree with the TF movie designs.

There is no excuse for the tenacity and clear lack of respect that Don Murphy has shown.


I would love to have read an article that described everything you just stated in further detail. That would have made an interesting story instead of some of the wet noodles that come out.
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Postby Phategod1 » Mon Feb 19, 2007 3:44 am

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Postby Predaprince » Mon Feb 19, 2007 8:22 am

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Predaprince wrote:
Raymond T. wrote:
This was all discussed with the fans, long before there was a crew or a script. And all on the DMBoard. Long before people started bad-mouthing Murphy and other people working on the movie, and long before Don Murphy responded to any of that. And long before people took those comments towards those morons and started to believe Murphy's comments were directed towards the fans, which they weren't.


In case you might forget, Don Murphy is the guy who not only banned people from his board because he personally did not like them, but also went onto other peoples' blogs (some of whom were TF fans like us) and personally insulted them and their families when said individuals merely stated that they disagree with the TF movie designs.

There is no excuse for the tenacity and clear lack of respect that Don Murphy has shown.


I would love to have read an article that described everything you just stated in further detail. That would have made an interesting story instead of some of the wet noodles that come out.


Yeah, too bad about the forum wipe-out. I wish they were still here so I could go and grab bits and pieces to show my point.
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Postby dragons » Mon Feb 19, 2007 8:48 am

i find it to be half true and half false it depends on who you talk to thats transfomre fan.

i know im off topic but i would like to comment on that spiderman web shooter theroy the movie company ripped of the comicbook if you read spiderman 2099 issues 1, and 2 spiderman uses organinc web fluid as well just like the movie spiderman versuion i think they went into that direction if they homemade web shooters it would look complicated, weird looking and how it be able to fit under his suit in ballte.
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Postby Predaprince » Mon Feb 19, 2007 10:09 am

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dragons wrote:i find it to be half true and half false it depends on who you talk to thats transfomre fan.

i know im off topic but i would like to comment on that spiderman web shooter theroy the movie company ripped of the comicbook if you read spiderman 2099 issues 1, and 2 spiderman uses organinc web fluid as well just like the movie spiderman versuion i think they went into that direction if they homemade web shooters it would look complicated, weird looking and how it be able to fit under his suit in ballte.


Imo, the reason why they went with the organic web shooters is because the home-made webbing was always a cartoon-like plot device to explain the villian getting away at the end of one episode so that more episodes can be made without using up too many villians in them.

This, of course, is not needed and, obviously, too cartoony of an item from a cartoon to be in a live-action movie where the villian should only be in one of the films. (ex. in the 90s cartoon "Norman" Green Goblin would come back from "death" about five times and in saga length each time before Harry took over the persona, which doesn't work with movies).
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Postby NightFall » Tue Feb 20, 2007 7:35 pm

I don't think this film was made for fans, and had no influence from the fans, except for Cullen. Still, since Ryan's review, I have some little hope, that it's going to be ok and come together,...I hope.

What makes me more angry is when "they" insist that it was made by fans for the fans, with love. I just can't believe that, it doesn't feel like it was done that way, it was more for the love of money. I wish it was both.

Futher more, until I see the movie, maybe I'll see then, why they said it was for fans, entertainment, and the spirit of Transformers is there.
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Postby Bluebullet » Tue Feb 20, 2007 7:50 pm

NightFall wrote:I don't think this film was made for fans, and had no influence from the fans, except for Cullen. Still, since Ryan's review, I have some little hope, that it's going to be ok and come together,...I hope.

What makes me more angry is when "they" insist that it was made by fans for the fans, with love. I just can't believe that, it doesn't feel like it was done that way, it was more for the love of money. I wish it was both.

Futher more, until I see the movie, maybe I'll see then, why they said it was for fans, entertainment, and the spirit of Transformers is there.

QFT. They try to say that we have people, represenatives, in the movie production, while they make pointless changes that have the fanbase in a war. If there was any effort to make the fanbase happy, I don't see it.
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Bluebullet wrote:
NightFall wrote:I don't think this film was made for fans, and had no influence from the fans, except for Cullen. Still, since Ryan's review, I have some little hope, that it's going to be ok and come together,...I hope.

What makes me more angry is when "they" insist that it was made by fans for the fans, with love. I just can't believe that, it doesn't feel like it was done that way, it was more for the love of money. I wish it was both.

Futher more, until I see the movie, maybe I'll see then, why they said it was for fans, entertainment, and the spirit of Transformers is there.

QFT. They try to say that we have people, represenatives, in the movie production, while they make pointless changes that have the fanbase in a war. If there was any effort to make the fanbase happy, I don't see it.


To be honest most of the fanbase is at least somewhat looking forward to this movie. There are a select few however who will have nothing to do with it. They're the ones that are acting like theres a war going on.
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