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Re: FansProject Motor Force Military Multiplexer / M3 combiner.

Postby Rated X » Sun Mar 09, 2014 12:22 am

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I just realized that right before I read your post...they twist !!! Dasmn you Fansproject !!!! (I only had one beer, I swear) :lol:

How do you collapse the legs properly ?

Just like if you were putting them in Weapon mode. I'm not so good with the words an such, so here a picture!
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Got it !!! Thanks !!!
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Re: FansProject Motor Force Military Multiplexer / M3 combiner.

Postby Rated X » Sun Mar 09, 2014 3:12 am

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Success !!!

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Honestly this set was so confusing, fiddly, scary, and complex, I’m not sure how anyone can find them fun. But on the flip side I know that repetition makes a great teacher and practice could allow anyone to master transforming this set. Unfortunately, I just lack the patience to do it. As promised, I thought I would follow the tradition and take some photos. I’m not a great pose guy, so instead I opted to show some size comparisons with other 3rd party combiners. Enjoy…

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Now I Know Why notMenasor Is So Expensive...

Postby Mykltron » Mon Mar 10, 2014 3:00 pm

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My god I've just spent the last hour and a bit figuring out how to assemble notMenasor (without instructions). Wow, the engineering that went into that thing is impressive. The way parts of the gun can be stored in the forearm... the whole thing is genius. Ok, it's not perfect but it's damned impressive.
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Re: Now I Know Why notMenasor Is So Expensive...

Postby Yotsuyasan » Mon Mar 10, 2014 5:47 pm

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Mykltron wrote:My god I've just spent the last hour and a bit figuring out how to assemble notMenasor (without instructions). Wow, the engineering that went into that thing is impressive. The way parts of the gun can be stored in the forearm... the whole thing is genius. Ok, it's not perfect but it's damned impressive.


He is an awesome figure. So awesome he already has a 56 page thread all about him.

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But yeah, I love my Fansproject Stunticons. Can't wait until Reprolabels comes out with a Menasor set, so I can get those finishing touches for them all.
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Re: Now I Know Why notMenasor Is So Expensive...

Postby Rodimus Prime » Mon Mar 10, 2014 7:32 pm

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How does he stack up against Hercules? Quality and detail-wise?

Somewhat not-Menasor related, I really really wish someone would pick up the Menasor kit G1 Uppers was gonna do for the 2011 BotCon set of Animated Stunticons. I still think that's a winning idea.
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Re: Now I Know Why notMenasor Is So Expensive...

Postby zodconvoy » Mon Mar 10, 2014 10:19 pm

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Rodimus Prime wrote:Somewhat not-Menasor related, I really really wish someone would pick up the Menasor kit G1 Uppers was gonna do for the 2011 BotCon set of Animated Stunticons. I still think that's a winning idea.


I'd buy that. I don't even have the Stunticon Job set and I'd buy that.
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Re: Now I Know Why notMenasor Is So Expensive...

Postby Arctorro » Tue Mar 11, 2014 12:35 am

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Rodimus Prime wrote:How does he stack up against Hercules? Quality and detail-wise?
Plastic quality is better on M3 (but then most companies have improved in that area in the last couple of years), and while there is a lot of engineering in the M3 bots, they are to damn small for it all. All five are a pain in the arse to transform and have spots where you must be careful or they will break. The Herc bots transformations might be a bit simple, but they are far more solid and fun.

M3 looks great on the shelf and isn't lacking in detail, but standing next to Herc he doesn't look as menacing as he does small.

Integration of the gestalt parts has been really well done (on par with Herc) and TFC could learn a thing or three from FP considering the crap they did with Uranos (which looks to getting repeated with Prometheus), and there is room for the gun parts that are shown on the back of Diesel's alt mode to fit inside as well.

That said, I never had anywhere near the level of trouble with Diesel that many others did. Still have to be very careful so his waist and the gestalt shoulders didn't just snap off in my hands. The gestalt connectors are the worst I've ever see, they are a disaster waiting to happen, where the ones on my Herc are still solid and I never worry when pulling him apart. If the cars were deluxe size and diesel was up-sized accordingly (and the connectors were completely redesigned) the engineering would've been spot on and they would've been an unbelievably fun set.

Basically you are buying a transform-once-and-then-display-forever piece with M3 (which makes the engineering pointless :BANG_HEAD: ), where Herc is a great display piece that is also fun to play with.
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Re: Now I Know Why notMenasor Is So Expensive...

Postby Rodimus Prime » Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:38 am

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Arctorro wrote:Basically you are buying a transform-once-and-then-display-forever piece with M3 (which makes the engineering pointless :BANG_HEAD: ), where Herc is a great display piece that is also fun to play with.


:( Well, I would be using it for display mostly, I suppose....but once in a while it's nice to take them down and take them apart, only if to put them back together and back on the shelf.
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Re: Now I Know Why notMenasor Is So Expensive...

Postby Arctorro » Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:55 am

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Arctorro wrote:Basically you are buying a transform-once-and-then-display-forever piece with M3 (which makes the engineering pointless :BANG_HEAD: ), where Herc is a great display piece that is also fun to play with.


:( Well, I would be using it for display mostly, I suppose....but once in a while it's nice to take them down and take them apart, only if to put them back together and back on the shelf.
That's exactly what I do with Herc. After transforming M3 back and forth a couple of times I've decided Diesel is (scary) fun, but those damn shoulders/connectors just aren't worth the risk :-(

The problems Rated X was having isn't a one time thing, they require extreme patients.
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Re: Now I Know Why notMenasor Is So Expensive...

Postby Mykltron » Tue Mar 11, 2014 4:40 am

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In comparison to Herc. he's much more stable. I had to take apart Herc's hips and glue in pieces of plastic to make him stable and eliminate all the wobble between ratchet points. I still need to do that to the flip-out connector pegs for Herc's arms. M3 doesn't need any of that.

As for removing M3's connectors: it's much less scary if you use a thin, slightly pointed stick and insert it in the gaps to push against the cylindrical part attached to Diesel. I found removing all the weapons parts from Diesel quite easy that way. I've done it quite a few times with no trouble.

It's true that they would benefit from being rather larger but I much prefer them to Herc. as they all look so much more dynamic. Also, I enjoy their rather more complex transformation. I love detail and I'm not a ham-fisted-bumble-thumbs like the rest of you!
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Re: Now I Know Why notMenasor Is So Expensive...

Postby Yotsuyasan » Tue Mar 11, 2014 4:55 am

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Arctorro wrote:Basically you are buying a transform-once-and-then-display-forever piece with M3 (which makes the engineering pointless :BANG_HEAD: ), where Herc is a great display piece that is also fun to play with.


I don't have Hercules (I went for Giant, myself) so I was hesitant to answer the original poster's question regarding the comparison. (That, and I didn't want to feed what I see as a redundant thread... but ah well.) However, I thought I might rebut you a bit.

I've transformed my Fansproject Menasor between the individual figures' three modes probably about a dozen times or so now. (Not to mention the probably half a dozen or so extra times the limb bots got transformed between robot and alt mode before they were joined by their leader.)

The only problem I ever had was, quite early on, an issue with Drag Strip's windshield. Fortunately, I was able to secure a replacement part, and when I installed it I made sure not to overly tighten the screw and everything has been fine, since. (So I'd quite recommend loosening the screw holding that part on a bit for anyone worried about that windshield, themselves.)

I'll admit that the assembly in Motormaster's waist is a tiny bit scary, but only when you're mid-transformation between any of his modes. Once he's transformed, he seems pretty solid to me. And being aware of that part during transformation, and taking care with it, should hopefully be enough to fend off any fears becoming reality.

I have fun transforming these figures and posing them, or posing their gestalt. I have no idea what you're talking about with the gestalt's shoulders. They assemble and disassemble easily, and pose quite freely. Not to say I'm not a bit careful with him when I do so. But I'm not a child, nor is this figure intended for one.

Also, probably the most poseable gestalt I've yet to see. And it has the best feet ever! Good flexibility in the ankles, and a nice wide footprint with rubberized, non-slip bits on the soles! Makes for a very steady figure even in some extreme poses!

Finally, as I said, I may not be able to compare him with Herc... But he does look damn good with Giant! (And with the FP augmented Bruticus, as well.)

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Re: Now I Know Why notMenasor Is So Expensive...

Postby Arctorro » Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:32 am

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Mykltron wrote:In comparison to Herc. he's much more stable. I had to take apart Herc's hips and glue in pieces of plastic to make him stable and eliminate all the wobble between ratchet points. I still need to do that to the flip-out connector pegs for Herc's arms. M3 doesn't need any of that.
I've never had those problems with Herc, mine is great. As for M3, one thing I forgot to mention is his ankles. A lot of people over on TFW have mentioned that they have lost the ability to hold him straight after a few transformations, and I've noticed it is there on mine as well, he starts to lean forward.

Mykltron wrote:As for removing M3's connectors: it's much less scary if you use a thin, slightly pointed stick and insert it in the gaps to push against the cylindrical part attached to Diesel. I found removing all the weapons parts from Diesel quite easy that way. I've done it quite a few times with no trouble.
Shouldn't need to use 'tools' to disconnect the limbs on something this expensive :P

Mykltron wrote:It's true that they would benefit from being rather larger but I much prefer them to Herc. as they all look so much more dynamic. Also, I enjoy their rather more complex transformation. I love detail and I'm not a ham-fisted-bumble-thumbs like the rest of you!
Ham fisted! :-x :lol:

Nah, I have no major trouble transforming them, it is just that certain spots would benefit greatly from thicker plastic. Something that can only be achieved through simpler transformations or larger size.

Yotsuyasan wrote:I've transformed my Fansproject Menasor between the individual figures' three modes probably about a dozen times or so now. (Not to mention the probably half a dozen or so extra times the limb bots got transformed between robot and alt mode before they were joined by their leader.)

The only problem I ever had was, quite early on, an issue with Drag Strip's windshield. Fortunately, I was able to secure a replacement part, and when I installed it I made sure not to overly tighten the screw and everything has been fine, since. (So I'd quite recommend loosening the screw holding that part on a bit for anyone worried about that windshield, themselves.)
Then you are very fortunate as there have been numerous QC issues mentioned on this site alone. I not going to go looking for all the QC issues mentioned on other sites as well.

Yotsuyasan wrote:I'll admit that the assembly in Motormaster's waist is a tiny bit scary, but only when you're mid-transformation between any of his modes. Once he's transformed, he seems pretty solid to me. And being aware of that part during transformation, and taking care with it, should hopefully be enough to fend off any fears becoming reality.
And how is that different from what I said? I said he was fun, just scary.

Yotsuyasan wrote:I have fun transforming these figures and posing them, or posing their gestalt. I have no idea what you're talking about with the gestalt's shoulders. They assemble and disassemble easily, and pose quite freely. Not to say I'm not a bit careful with him when I do so. But I'm not a child, nor is this figure intended for one.
Again, you must be fortunate. One of my M3 legs pops of with no trouble what so ever. The other leg and both shoulders are an absolute bitch to remove, and there have been photos of the joint that is part of Diesel breaking during attempts to remove the shoulder pieces. That joint is very flimsy.

Yotsuyasan wrote:Also, probably the most poseable gestalt I've yet to see. And it has the best feet ever! Good flexibility in the ankles, and a nice wide footprint with rubberized, non-slip bits on the soles! Makes for a very steady figure even in some extreme poses!
I couldn't care less about being able to get dynamic posses from something that is supposed to be a heavy hitting, heavy armoured giant war machine :P As for the ankles, read what I posted above. Also, those rubber pads are the only thing stopping my M3 from doing permanent splits, neither Herc nor Uranos require those [-(
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Re: Now I Know Why notMenasor Is So Expensive...

Postby Yotsuyasan » Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:44 am

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Arctorro wrote:
Yotsuyasan wrote:I'll admit that the assembly in Motormaster's waist is a tiny bit scary, but only when you're mid-transformation between any of his modes. Once he's transformed, he seems pretty solid to me. And being aware of that part during transformation, and taking care with it, should hopefully be enough to fend off any fears becoming reality.
And how is that different from what I said? I said he was fun, just scary.


Well, on one hand, your original post just indicated that you found the waist scary, not that it was only scary during transformation. So it could have been read as saying that it was scary even just during posing of the figure even once transformed. If that was what you were intending to say, then I was rebutting that one bit of what you were saying with my statement regarding the waist.

On the other hand, if you did only intended to say that the waist was scary during transformation... then, well, I guess we agree on that one point. Doesn't invalidate anything I've said. Heck, my starting that paragraph with, "I'll admit," was intended to imply some slight agreement with you on this one point.

But overall, the waist was just one point amongst many. It sounds like you and I are having very different experiences with the same toy. A bit of a shame, as I love him and find him quite fun to transform. I guess it just goes to show that your mileage may vary. People interested in these figures should read all opinions from both ends of the spectrum, weigh the good against the bad for themselves, and purchase accordingly.
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Re: Now I Know Why notMenasor Is So Expensive...

Postby Autobot032 » Tue Mar 11, 2014 6:01 am

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Re: FansProject Motor Force Military Multiplexer / M3 combiner.

Postby xyl360 » Fri Mar 28, 2014 1:21 am

Well, I got my not-Motormasters today and while it took quite a while, I was able to transform him directly from truck to combiner mode without any instructions and without having seen any video reviews of him. I combined him with his crew and while I find the skinny torso to be a bit underwhelming, overall I'm happy with my not-Menasor and I'm glad I got him. He's kinda fidgety and he likes to slump unless you balance him just right and his wrists tend to be a bit floppy, but he poses well and looks pretty good on the shelf.
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Re: FansProject Motor Force Military Multiplexer / M3 combiner.

Postby Agamemnon » Fri Mar 28, 2014 7:22 am

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xyl360 wrote:Well, I got my not-Motormasters today and while it took quite a while, I was able to transform him directly from truck to combiner mode without any instructions and without having seen any video reviews of him. I combined him with his crew and while I find the skinny torso to be a bit underwhelming, overall I'm happy with my not-Menasor and I'm glad I got him. He's kinda fidgety and he likes to slump unless you balance him just right and his wrists tend to be a bit floppy, but he poses well and looks pretty good on the shelf.

I might recommend watching a video now. :)

On the wrist thing, Dragstrip has a couple of notches in the wheels that line up with pegs. That should prevent the one wrist from flopping. Other than that, it seemed like there were about a thousand tabs to align. Once they are all in, he's very stable. Is the slumping happening at around the knee area? There's a tab that does slide out easily on Motormaster on the part that wraps around the thigh.

How did the shoulder connectors go for you? Just like Peaugh, I had a devil of a time with one of the shoulder connections.

And I completely agree with you. He looks great once all assembled!
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Re: FansProject Motor Force Military Multiplexer / M3 combiner.

Postby xyl360 » Fri Mar 28, 2014 10:27 am

Agamemnon wrote:I might recommend watching a video now. :)

On the wrist thing, Dragstrip has a couple of notches in the wheels that line up with pegs. That should prevent the one wrist from flopping. Other than that, it seemed like there were about a thousand tabs to align. Once they are all in, he's very stable. Is the slumping happening at around the knee area? There's a tab that does slide out easily on Motormaster on the part that wraps around the thigh.

How did the shoulder connectors go for you? Just like Peaugh, I had a devil of a time with one of the shoulder connections.

And I completely agree with you. He looks great once all assembled!

Thanks for the tip on Dragstrip, I'll check that out. That's the floppier of the two by far. The slumping happens in the ball joints in the feet. He tends to lean forward or back on them unless I balance him just right. I noticed the same issue with the tabs around the thighs but they're holding on pretty well for me.

The shoulder connectors plugged into not-Motormaster just fine, I just had to make sure I had them turned the right way and wiggled them while using a bit of pressure. No brute force was required. The only issue I had with the shoulders was connecting the small rotating bits that clip onto the sides of the arm-bots. Those things were scary tight to get around the notches in not-Deadend and not-Dragstrip, but once in place they're fine.
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Re: FansProject Motor Force Military Multiplexer / M3 combiner.

Postby Mkall » Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:55 pm

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Sorry for the bump, but I got my MotorMaster about a couple weeks back and finally set about getting Menasor on my shelf.

12 months waiting for a complete team + 0.5 hours of transforming each figure + 1 broken Drag Strip windshield (I even knew about that issue too :BANG_HEAD: ) another 20 minutes of realising I didn't have to transform each limb fully into car mode and correcting the mistake + 5 minutes assembly + 10 minutes of going "oooo, aaaaahhhhh"

all equals 1 badass combiner figure.

I guess I'll hold out hope that someone will make a replacement windshield for Drag Strip, which is conveniently hidden in Menasor's pose.
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Re: FansProject Motor Force Military Multiplexer / M3 combiner.

Postby Agamemnon » Sat Apr 19, 2014 9:34 pm

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Doh! If Dragstrip's windshield cracked on me, I'd consider writing FP and see if they'd be willing to send me a replacement windshield, if I were willing to pay a nominal charge. Who knows, maybe they'd send it out for no charge. Given the problems with that part... *shrug*
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Re: FansProject Motor Force Military Multiplexer / M3 combiner.

Postby necr0blivion » Sat Apr 19, 2014 10:43 pm

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Mkall wrote:I guess I'll hold out hope that someone will make a replacement windshield for Drag Strip, which is conveniently hidden in Menasor's pose.

Ag's idea of getting in touch with FP (or maybe even the retailer you purchased Drag Strip from) might be a good idea. Another is that EchoTransformer (Boosticus set) and TFW board member G.I.Eddie are working on an add on kit for the Stunticon team, and will also include a new windshield. Worth checking out the progress on the other board.
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Re: FansProject Motor Force Military Multiplexer / M3 combiner.

Postby Rated X » Sat Apr 19, 2014 11:02 pm

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Mkall wrote:I guess I'll hold out hope that someone will make a replacement windshield for Drag Strip, which is conveniently hidden in Menasor's pose.

Ag's idea of getting in touch with FP (or maybe even the retailer you purchased Drag Strip from) might be a good idea. Another is that EchoTransformer (Boosticus set) and TFW board member G.I.Eddie are working on an add on kit for the Stunticon team, and will also include a new windshield. Worth checking out the progress on the other board.

Do you have the link for the stunticon add on set ? Threads get lost so quickly in the radicon section.
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Re: FansProject Motor Force Military Multiplexer / M3 combiner.

Postby necr0blivion » Sat Apr 19, 2014 11:05 pm

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Rated X wrote:Do you have the link for the stunticon add on set ? Threads get lost so quickly in the radicon section.

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-3rd-party-discussion/963632-g-i-eddie-echotf-g1ification-kit-fansproject-m3-menasor-stunticons.html
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Re: FansProject Motor Force Military Multiplexer / M3 combiner.

Postby megatronus » Sat Apr 19, 2014 11:05 pm

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Rated X wrote:
necr0blivion wrote:
Mkall wrote:I guess I'll hold out hope that someone will make a replacement windshield for Drag Strip, which is conveniently hidden in Menasor's pose.

Ag's idea of getting in touch with FP (or maybe even the retailer you purchased Drag Strip from) might be a good idea. Another is that EchoTransformer (Boosticus set) and TFW board member G.I.Eddie are working on an add on kit for the Stunticon team, and will also include a new windshield. Worth checking out the progress on the other board.

Do you have the link for the stunticon add on set ? Threads get lost so quickly in the radicon section.

I could be on board for an M3 upgrade. I second X's request for a link!

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Re: FansProject Motor Force Military Multiplexer / M3 combiner.

Postby Agamemnon » Sat Apr 19, 2014 11:13 pm

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Rated X wrote:Do you have the link for the stunticon add on set ? Threads get lost so quickly in the radicon section.

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-3rd-party-discussion/963632-g-i-eddie-echotf-g1ification-kit-fansproject-m3-menasor-stunticons.html

Ah, I remember this set from a long while back. Looks good. I'll try to read through the thread later when I'm not falling asleep...
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Re: FansProject Motor Force Military Multiplexer / M3 combiner.

Postby Yotsuyasan » Sun Apr 20, 2014 5:03 am

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Mkall wrote:I guess I'll hold out hope that someone will make a replacement windshield for Drag Strip, which is conveniently hidden in Menasor's pose.


Where did you buy yours from? TFSource sent me a new windshield when mine cracked. If you do get a replacement, I'd suggest not making the screw super tight when attaching it. (And to anyone who hasn't cracked theirs yet, loosen that screw a bit to be safe!) I haven't had any problems with my new windshield, and I think the fact that it is a lot easier to move it may have helped in that regard.

But other then the windshield issue (which, for me, has now been fixed) I have had no issues with my Menasor. I love these figures! I see no need for an add on kit, myself. (Other then Reprolabels, that is!) But I suppose if others are interested in the kit that is being mentioned, hopefully it comes out well and you enjoy it!
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