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SKYWARPED_128 wrote:I thought they were planning several different games based on a single universe, named Fabula Nova Crystallis.

The thing about Fabula Nova Crystallis is that the only recurring number is XIII, and two of the games (Type-0 and Versus XIII) are totally unrelated to the Lightning Trilogy outside of certain terms. It's a lot like the Compilation of Final Fantasy VII, although everything in the Compilation was directly and neatly tied together, so it's more along the lines of the Ivalice Alliance. (Tactics, Tactics Advance, Tactics A2, XII, and Revenant Wings, and only the last two have any real connection)

Short version: This is far from the first time they've done this.

SKYWARPED_128 wrote:The first of them is FF XIII. In fact, it wasn't even supposed to have a number, initially.

At least, that's what it says here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabula_Nova_Crystallis_Final_Fantasy

Uh...it doesn't say that there. It says the number XIII was removed from the name of the collection, after Agito XIII was renamed to Type-0.

SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Oh, and despite everything going against the possibility of yet another FF XIII sequel, Squeenix seems adamant at making you like the FF XIII universe. I give you...Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII.

Check it out here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning_Returns:_Final_Fantasy_XIII

What, exactly, was going against the possibility? Square had the means and the motive to make it happen, and XIII-2 ended in a massive cliffhanger, it was pretty obvious it was going to happen. Despite bitching and moaning about it all, people still buy Final Fantasy no matter what.

Shadowman wrote:The thing about Fabula Nova Crystallis is that the only recurring number is XIII, and two of the games (Type-0 and Versus XIII) are totally unrelated to the Lightning Trilogy outside of certain terms. It's a lot like the Compilation of Final Fantasy VII, although everything in the Compilation was directly and neatly tied together, so it's more along the lines of the Ivalice Alliance. (Tactics, Tactics Advance, Tactics A2, XII, and Revenant Wings, and only the last two have any real connection)

Short version: This is far from the first time they've done this.

Guess you got a point there.

I came to that conclusion basically because I view Versus as a standalone game, taking place in the same universe as XIII, but in a different time period and different cast, instead of "side-games" like VII's Dirge of Cerberus and Crisis Core.

I only just realized FF XII was tied to the earlier FF's. My first FF was VII, so the whole Ivalice thing was "before my time" so to speak.

Shadowman wrote:Uh...it doesn't say that there. It says the number XIII was removed from the name of the collection, after Agito XIII was renamed to Type-0.

Wha? But why does it still have a number at release?

Shadowman wrote:What, exactly, was going against the possibility? Square had the means and the motive to make it happen, and XIII-2 ended in a massive cliffhanger, it was pretty obvious it was going to happen. Despite bitching and moaning about it all, people still buy Final Fantasy no matter what.

If Sankaku Complex articles are to be believed, FF XIII did pretty well initially, selling 1.5 million copies in its initial opening, but soon plummeted sharply, with the games later sold at a massive discount within 2 months.

http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/02/02/final-fantasy-xiii-price-plummets/

]http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/02/12/final-fantasy-xiii-from-90-to-40-in-2-months/

http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/01/02/final-fantasy-xiii-sales-plummet/

I might be wrong on this, but Japanese companies mostly base the success or failure of a product on domestic sales alone.

Also from Sankaku; an article stated that Squeenix is planning to outsource its "big" game making to other companies, stating that it was "too much work." By "big", I take it to mean disc-based games, as opposed to downloadable, mobile phone, or PSP games.

http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2012/06/29/square-enix-we-wont-make-any-more-big-games-ourselves/

Because Music, right?

SKYWARPED_128 wrote:I only just realized FF XII was tied to the earlier FF's. My first FF was VII, so the whole Ivalice thing was "before my time" so to speak.

Except Tactics came out after VII.

SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Wha? But why does it still have a number at release?

...it doesn't. Versus XIII and XIII itself do, but Fabula Nova Crystallis dropped the number from it's name after Agito XIII was renamed Type-0. I literally just explained all this to you.

SKYWARPED_128 wrote:I might be wrong on this, but Japanese companies mostly base the success or failure of a product on domestic sales alone.

No More Heroes got a sequel because, despite selling like crap in Japan, it sold great in the US.

SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Also from Sankaku; an article stated that Squeenix is planning to outsource its "big" game making to other companies, stating that it was "too much work." By "big", I take it to mean disc-based games, as opposed to downloadable, mobile phone, or PSP games.

http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2012/06/29/square-enix-we-wont-make-any-more-big-games-ourselves/

Square bought Eidos a couple years ago. Deus Ex: Human Revolution was one of the big releases in 2011, so I'd say, yeah, they're already on that.

BeastProwl wrote:Because Music, right?

Because Music indeed:



And hell yes even Doom music:

Shadowman wrote:Except Tactics came out after VII.

Didn't play it. I thought it was some compilation of older FF games or something and ignored it when it came out.

And before you say it, yes, I'm a Philistine who's incapable of appreciating such a fine RPG masterpiece just because it doesn't have flashy graphics.

Shadowman wrote:...it doesn't. Versus XIII and XIII itself do, but Fabula Nova Crystallis dropped the number from it's name after Agito XIII was renamed Type-0. I literally just explained all this to you.

Never mind, this is getting a little too complicated for me. I just thought Fabula Nova Crystallis was some universe where XIII, Versus XIII and many other games would be set in. I hope I at least got this part right.

Shadowman wrote:

SKYWARPED_128 wrote:I might be wrong on this, but Japanese companies mostly base the success or failure of a product on domestic sales alone.

No More Heroes got a sequel because, despite selling like crap in Japan, it sold great in the US.

I did tell you I might be wrong on this.

SKYWARPED_128 wrote:I just thought Fabula Nova Crystallis was some universe where XIII, Versus XIII and many other games would be set in. I hope I at least got this part right.

Nope, you got that one wrong, too. The only thing tying them together is recurring terms and concepts.

Shadowman wrote:

SKYWARPED_128 wrote:I just thought Fabula Nova Crystallis was some universe where XIII, Versus XIII and many other games would be set in. I hope I at least got this part right.

Nope, you got that one wrong, too. The only thing tying them together is recurring terms and concepts.

Hey. Can this not devolve into a debate thread?

Oh, and thanks shadpwman, now I cant stop listening to Clash on the Big Bridge. I f*cking love this song.

He started it.

Anyways, Bridgette's theme, "Simple Life", and Dizzy's theme, "Awe of SHE", both from Guilty Gear. Gotta love em.

Ive got some