Joshua Vallse wrote:I find alot of this funny,
Not because of the FCC mind you...
http://www.fcc.gov/aboutus.html wrote:"charged with regulating interstate and international communications by radio, television, wire, satellite and cable. The FCC's jurisdiction covers the 50 states, the District of Columbia, and U.S. possessions.
Forgotten wrote:just a side note "Zack And Miri Make A Porno" became simply "Zack And Miri" because of the FCC I was quite surprised when I picked up the UNRATED DVD of it and it didn't even say porno on it. You know Kevin Smith probably had a caniption over that one.
NewFoundStarscreamLuv wrote:me and my friends combine all the time. Sometimes I even combine by myself if no one is around.
TCJJ wrote:Yes, perfect! This is my biggest problem with the movies. Ok, I guess it's a fair point about 12-13 years old (although maturity can jump between a year around that age), but these kids that go in when they're 5 years old or 8 years or 10 or what not, it's ridiculous.
TCJJ wrote:The film is strictly PG-13 (sometimes I wonder if that's too low - society is getting slack on ratings today e.g. the original Transformers Movie had to be rated R for the violence, but these days, it usually gets a G with Low Level Animated Violence or something stupid like that) and we get all these stupid little kids getting into the Transformers community, getting toys they can't figure out at all because they're not really designed for kids and then, most of all (which pisses me off the most), I see on TradeMe (it's like eBay for New Zealanders), all these awesome collectors items, and sometimes even rare figures, get bought for stupid little kids that'll probably break them!
TCJJ wrote:Now I'm not saying I don't want children to play with Transformers, but they need to stick to the stuff for them (and of course, when I say stupid children, I mean the stupid ones. The smart ones are fine, but they are generally few and far beyond these days). Like Animated, for example. But not the movie toys, and not those rare figures, because that just makes me want to cry. What confuses the hell out of me is the fact that the movie IS PG-13, but Hasbro continues to market more than half of the movie merchandise towards children as young as 3 years old. Now, fine, they can play with those toys, but why are they marketing a PG-13 film to little children? The excuse always comes up that they were always children's toys, so it's hard to change, and I guess at the end of the day, it's up to the parents to control what the children have and see, and if they're dumb enough to take them to a PG-13 movie at the age of 5, then they may as well live in a box.
TCJJ wrote:But here's a point: what about figures from lines such as Masterpiece? Would you give Masterpiece Megatron to your 8-year-old son for his birthday? I think not. Unless you were an idiot, of course.
And to be honest, Transformers and Transformers Revenge of The Fallen to have plenty of sexual references and stuff. To be honest, I hate it. I mean, it's Transformers. It's bloody stupid. It was even worse the second time round, and if I'm the only one, I don't care: I hate Megan Fox. She's ugly as anything. But I took my mum to see both films, and she really didn't like Megan Fox in the second one. She pointed out it was unnecessary, all those love scenes and stuff. I can't say I disagree. But still, it's not for kids. Again, it's up to the parents, but obviously, there aren't enough smart parents in the world.
NuclearConvoy wrote:I thought PG-13 meant that any kid can see it so long as a Parent/guardian was present and with them? Technically, then, by virtue of aiming for a PG-13 rating you WANT to market to everyone possible, no?
metaphorge wrote:I wish the film/TV/videogame rating system was based on "likelihood that this media will make your children think idiotic, obnoxious behavior is awesome and should be emulated".
By that standard, I still shouldn't have been old enough to watch Transformers 2, and I'm 36....
metaphorge wrote:I'm still waiting for the first news story of a ten year old who starts humping women's legs and asking them to "suck my popsicle!" after seeing Revenge of the Fallen.
metaphorge wrote:I do think the final responsibility does lie with parents and I hate electronic gizmos like this article concerns that make it easier for parents to rationalize abandoning their children to television instead of, you know, being a parent, but I do feel Hasbro was irresponsible to let one of its flagship toy properties be turned into a platform for pseudo-porno posturing of scantily-clad actresses and copious genitalia jokes... and I live in the SF Bay Area so I'm not exactly a prude.
metaphorge wrote:The Rise of Cobra is not the best film ever, but it manages to avoid being any where near this lurid even if a number of the primary characters wear skintight leather outfits.
polystyleneman wrote:Great news that this is being seriously looked at.
Rotf was such a clear example of where the demographic the movie was meant for clearly did not match the audience the marketing was aimed at.
metaphorge wrote:I wish the film/TV/videogame rating system was based on "likelihood that this media will make your children think idiotic, obnoxious behavior is awesome and should be emulated".
By that standard, I still shouldn't have been old enough to watch Transformers 2, and I'm 36....
I'm still waiting for the first news story of a ten year old who starts humping women's legs and asking them to "suck my popsicle!" after seeing Revenge of the Fallen.
I do think the final responsibility does lie with parents and I hate electronic gizmos like this article concerns that make it easier for parents to rationalize abandoning their children to television instead of, you know, being a parent, but I do feel Hasbro was irresponsible to let one of its flagship toy properties be turned into a platform for pseudo-porno posturing of scantily-clad actresses and copious genitalia jokes... and I live in the SF Bay Area so I'm not exactly a prude.
The Rise of Cobra is not the best film ever, but it manages to avoid being any where near this lurid even if a number of the primary characters wear skintight leather outfits.
soundwavegt wrote:I tell you what, it seems that no matter what they do, film makers just can't win. They make a movie, put every bit of effort into it, then it gets ripped apart by the so-called critics, who in my opinion, don't know how to have fun anyway or it gets condemned by a load of P.C. hypocrites who don't know what an off button is or by hyperactive do-gooders who say that it's not good for us or our kids!!
soundwavegt wrote:Guys, whatever happened to freedom of choice in the USA and the UK? If you don't want to watch it or you don't want to let your kids watch it, then don't. Nobody will force you. But these so-called concerned experts who pass judgement on, it would seem, everything we do or watch or whatever need to take a back seat and chill a bit. Let people make the decision for themselves.
Is that too much to ask?
Autobot032 wrote:soundwavegt wrote:I tell you what, it seems that no matter what they do, film makers just can't win. They make a movie, put every bit of effort into it, then it gets ripped apart by the so-called critics, who in my opinion, don't know how to have fun anyway or it gets condemned by a load of P.C. hypocrites who don't know what an off button is or by hyperactive do-gooders who say that it's not good for us or our kids!!
This is one time their concerns have some legitimacy. TransFormers started out as a comic book, cartoon show, and toy line for KIDS.
Now, these two movies come along, and while they're aimed at kids (mainly to help sell product, not much else), they're definitely meant for a mature, and perhaps even adult, crowd.
There is content in these films that I wouldn't let any child watch until they were 13 or so. Even then, I wouldn't be pleased about it. When your heroes start swearing and become more violent than the villains, I'd say something went wrong.
The opinion of the critics, however, isn't worth a crap.soundwavegt wrote:Guys, whatever happened to freedom of choice in the USA and the UK? If you don't want to watch it or you don't want to let your kids watch it, then don't. Nobody will force you. But these so-called concerned experts who pass judgement on, it would seem, everything we do or watch or whatever need to take a back seat and chill a bit. Let people make the decision for themselves.
Is that too much to ask?
What are you talking about? We still have freedom of choice. Just because this watchdog group is up in arms, and the FCC's being asked to step in, doesn't mean ANYthing will change. The FCC might just smooth some ruffled feathers, put on a good show, and go back to business as usual.
Oh and these watchdog groups wouldn't have a chance to get a word in edgewise if people would parent better. The old adage "Necessity is the mother of invention" fits here. These groups wouldn't form, or wouldn't have as much power, or much of a voice if today's parents did a better job.
Go to any Wal-Mart, Target, even the local mall and see how the kids act. The parents aren't doing their job. When the cashier behind the counter has to be the one who stops the sale of explicit music and restricted movies, when it should be the parent saying no...it's proof that there's a problem. A big problem.
And these watchdog groups are taking notice. And to be honest, why wouldn't they? Bad parenting is blatant these days. The parents who do their job, never get the recognition they deserve. The trashy parents who would rather let the TV babysit and raise their children are the ones we see first and foremost.
So, if they can't step in at your front door and put their foot down and prevent your children from seeing/hearing/experiencing things that aren't for them, they'll go to corporate America and try and put a stop to it there.
It sucks, it's not really fair, but parents allow it to happen by not taking control of the situation better.
Parenting is no easy task. I'm not a parent, but I have friends who are and I've seen the highs, the lows, the scares, the hopes, the fears, the joys, and it's a rollercoaster. It's a daunting, but rewarding task.
Some kids are more mature than others, this is true. Some can handle Freddy, Jason, Leatherface, or a mix of 'em all, this is true. The question is, do they NEED to? No. And that's where the door is opened. The idiot parents who don't make a decision either way and just let the chips fall where they may. That's stupid. That's dangerous.
I agree, we should have the right to choose, but when people constantly choose the wrong thing again and again, someone has to step in for the sake of the children.
We call protective services in when we see children being abused, so why wouldn't someone wouldn't want to step in and protect children from questionable content?
I've seen bad parents, I've seen the aftermath. If someone had stepped in long ago, the stories most likely wouldn't have ended in tragedy.
Blame the parents first and foremost.
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