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Ok here's the deal im pretty much 100% positive that this fallen toy is leader class, here's why.. #1 he's got the twist ties on in robot mode and judging bye the last movie leader class toys only the leader class where in there boxes in robot form #2 the back of the toy shows the screw holes in his back there are alot of screw holes in his back i checked and double checked all of my tf 1 movie toys and deluxes don't even come close to having that many screws again either do the voyagers close but nope and my megatron prime and brawl leader class are caked in screw holes..so like i said im pretty much 100% positive he's a leader class

Tell me what's going on with this cybertronian jet idea? I thought that The Fallen is supposed to be some epic ancient Decepticon not just a jet like Megs, Starscrem, Jetfire, Dreadwing and so on! And speaking about Jetfire, If the idea that he is Jetfire turn out to be true it would be the most retarded thing about Bayformers! How is he going to combine with Prime?!

Its about as bad as Megatron was

now that i think about it he has to be a leader or deluxe the instructions start from the robot mode which is what the deluxe figures are packed in or it could be a leader but it's not a voyager so I'm thinkin this is a deluxe.

I'm not a big fan. Looks like the Renegade Vamp. I might like the vehicle mode, and I do like the arms. That's about it.

he reminds me a lot of Don Figureoa's concept art for cybertron vector prime

Another one futuristic jet? Boring...

LordGrift wrote:Tell me what's going on with this cybertronian jet idea? I thought that The Fallen is supposed to be some epic ancient Decepticon not just a jet like Megs, Starscrem, Jetfire, Dreadwing and so on! And speaking about Jetfire, If the idea that he is Jetfire turn out to be true it would be the most retarded thing about Bayformers! How is he going to combine with Prime?!

ON TOPIC: I think this is one bad-ass looking toy, and promises to be one bad-ass character, even if he is brought in to set up the third film.

OFF TOPIC: He is not Jetfire!

and The Fallen was a Cybertronian Tank, and now he's a Cybertronian Jet...

I, for one, understand the switch, because how much of a threat can you be when you are stuck on land as a tank, and let's not forget, IT IS A DIFFERENT TRANSFORMERS UNIVERSE, FFS!!!!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fallen_(Transformers)
...just in case anyone isn't familiar with The Fallen



They should rename this and all threads suggesting this ridiculous Fallen/Megatron/Jetfire talk as "How to beat a Dead Horse into Glue"

It gives off a sort of Beast Wars/Machines vibe, I think it's rubbish.

HE'S JETFIRE !!!!!