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I never said anyone was a Low level Fan Just that certain Fans Movie-going standards are Higher then Others. There has been Fans That have blatantly said All they look for in movies to paraphrase are, explosions, Bullets and B00B!3S. and that they have Never seen a action movie they haven't liked. Some of us have a ability to call a spade a spade. That Script, these designs all point to signs that this movie is one Bat nipple short of Batman & Robin. And I'm sick of hearing "just be glad there making movie" Or "You haven't seen Anything yet" but like I said my main question was How do you invest 20 Years of your life into something and when they decide to make a movie about it you'll take anything Hollywood dishes out. and I still can't understand how anyone can say Spiderman deserves better treatment then TF because its older and a literary figure. As for prime in the rest yes he has had many forms but we all know which one is the most recognized. That all I have to say for Now I need a Sammich.

Phategod1 wrote: I still can't understand how anyone can say Spiderman deserves better treatment then TF because its older and a literary figure.

Simple. For every Transformers fan, there are 3 or 4 hunderd Spider-man fans.

Phategod1 wrote:I never said anyone was a Low level Fan Just that certain Fans Movie-going standards are Higher then Others. There has been Fans That have blatantly said All they look for in movies to paraphrase are, explosions, Bullets and B00B!3S. and that they have Never seen a action movie they haven't liked. Some of us have a ability to call a spade a spade. That Script, these designs all point to signs that this movie is one Bat nipple short of Batman & Robin. And I'm sick of hearing "just be glad there making movie" Or "You haven't seen Anything yet" but like I said my main question was How do you invest 20 Years of your life into something and when they decide to make a movie about it you'll take anything Hollywood dishes out. and I still can't understand how anyone can say Spiderman deserves better treatment then TF because its older and a literary figure. As for prime in the rest yes he has had many forms but we all know which one is the most recognized. That all I have to say for Now I need a Sammich.

Have a Wawa Sizzli, it's a good cold day for one.

You sure seem to imply that "fans" shouldn't be able to enjoy this movie - because in your opinion, it's crap. That's the point of contention. Many collectors have valid reasons for disliking the direction of the movie, but none of them think that anyone who actually enjoys the movie is a lesser, or a low standard, fan.

Ironhidensh wrote:

Phategod1 wrote: I still can't understand how anyone can say Spiderman deserves better treatment then TF because its older and a literary figure.

Simple. For every Transformers fan, there are 3 or 4 hunderd Spider-man fans.

The stats don't lie.

Bonecrusher reminds me of Quickstrike, which gives me joy and makes me want to yell "AW, HECK!"

Does not look like any Starscream or Ironhide I know, but what are we gonna do anyway. Looks like the work in Progress bit was pretty much the final result. We've already seen the toy proto and it looks pretty much the same. So Oh well. I do have a question that I haven't asked before. If the robots are not supposed to be humanoid influenced, what are their designs based on?

Grimshock wrote:Really guys, what you have to do is just not go see the movie if it bothers you. And, you've got to let the casual fans know that it's not a TF movie, just some sci-fi flick. If you decide to go, you will add to its success and the downfall of TF's as we know and love them.

You knom what you do. You buy it on bootleg for $10 and if its good then you go see it in the movie theater. That solves all the problems.
Or use a free movie ticket thing.

collector maximus wrote:I do have a question that I haven't asked before. If the robots are not supposed to be humanoid influenced, what are their designs based on?

Ther are very slight influences from the older designs. Megs still has his bucket head, Bumblebee has his horns, Prime has basically the same head, and Jazz has an updated version of his head.

Now, to adress a few things:

1. It is a Transformers movie. It is endorsed by Hasbro and, oh! It's called Transformers. And it has robots that turn into vehicles and stuff.

2. Pirating I'm normally all for. Pirating purely to stick it to someone is just dumb.

3. There's the biggest possibility that this movie failing will kill the line. Hasbro will look, and, since the fans didn't see it, then Transformers must not be worth continuing. Then won't you feel stupid?

Shadowman wrote:

collector maximus wrote:I do have a question that I haven't asked before. If the robots are not supposed to be humanoid influenced, what are their designs based on?

Ther are very slight influences from the older designs. Megs still has his bucket head, Bumblebee has his horns, Prime has basically the same head, and Jazz has an updated version of his head.

Now, to adress a few things:

1. It is a Transformers movie. It is endorsed by Hasbro and, oh! It's called Transformers. And it has robots that turn into vehicles and stuff.

2. Pirating I'm normally all for. Pirating purely to stick it to someone is just dumb.

3. There's the biggest possibility that this movie failing will kill the line. Hasbro will look, and, since the fans didn't see it, then Transformers must not be worth continuing. Then won't you feel stupid?

If Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within Didn't kill the FF franchise how could one bad movie destroy the TF franchise.

Shadowman wrote:3. There's the biggest possibility that this movie failing will kill the line. Hasbro will look, and, since the fans didn't see it, then Transformers must not be worth continuing. Then won't you feel stupid?

That's one reason why I'm torn over the movie. On the one hand, I don't like the direction it appears to be taking and would prefer not to encourage sequels in the same vein. On the other, the success of the movie will undoubtedly be a good thing for the TF fandom in the long run - I fully expect the non-movie media, particularly the comics and likely the toys, to pick up the bits they like from the movie and ignore the rest. The fact that there is a movie is already a measure of success in its own right, and overall I think a summer movie I don't like will be a better thing for TF as a whole than no movie at all.

However, I was under the impression that TF is currently Hasbro's best-performing brand, and that they're desperate to build it up to compensate for the shrinking Star Wars market. Given those circumstances, I would think it likely that a poor commercial result for the movie - and here I am talking about merchandise, critical response and impact on brand / manufacturer / industry credibility, not just immediate box office returns - would cause Hasbro to try to rethink rather than drop the brand.