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Postby Riotflea » Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:36 am

Phategod1 wrote:
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briizilla wrote: They are Transformers only because Micheal Bay and Co. are telling us they are. The same arrogant attitudes that ruined Godzilla 98 are at work on this film.


Really? With the sole exception of Frenzy, I think these 'bots and 'cons fulfill every aspect and definition of Transformers.


And Godzilla '98 rocked. It was a Godzilla movie that didn't look like a middle school theatre club made it.


There was a point when I seriously revered your taste and thought People underestimated your taste and intelligence. Sorry to say that moment has passed.


For the amount of times I argued with him, that last post just made me realize I truly was right.
Wow. lol

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Postby Saber Prime » Mon Feb 05, 2007 3:20 am

This just in, Bay's new movie "Transformers" has been canceled due to law suit by George Lucas.

Don't you wish that was real?
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Postby D-340 » Mon Feb 05, 2007 4:38 am

kimmer wrote:oh i see, so only comments that praise this movie are useful? this is called a forum and people express their opinions and i guarantee more people feel the way i do about this movie than the way you do. if you can't handle both points of view then leave.


I love it when someone other than a Mod/Admin/Owner tells someone to leave like they run the joint, it's funny. But seriously, neither of us are goin' anywhere, so let's deal with it. I stated, basicly, you've got nothing positive to say what so ever. I've read the majority of your posts, and even in threads that have absolutly nothing to do with the film, you manage to slam it. You are most definately entitled to your opinion, I never said you weren't. I just gets old hearing all the negativity, that's what ruins disscussions about the movie. Yeah, you hate it, we all get it. Is it gonna change anything? No. Do I like everything with the movie? No. But I got over it. Yeah this is something new, yeah some of the designs suck ass, but whatever. It's not ruining anything for me yet, I'll wait til I see it in action before I pass final judgement.

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And Godzilla '98 rocked. It was a Godzilla movie that didn't look like a middle school theatre club made it.


Man, normally I agree with ya, but not on this. I couldn't headbutt a brick wall enough to forget how bad Godzilla '98 was.
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Postby Nemesis Cyberplex » Mon Feb 05, 2007 4:45 am

Saber Prime wrote:This just in, Bay's new movie "Transformers" has been canceled due to law suit by George Lucas.

Don't you wish that was real?
I don't think one of his companies would make a design for somebody else that would infringe copyrights.
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Postby Megatron Wolf » Mon Feb 05, 2007 10:49 am

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In a way frenzy transforms. He can cast a hologram over himself to look like a human. So he "Transforms" into a human. And im sure there isnt just one frenzy. Each D-CON has to have at least one so it looks like someone is driveing them.
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Postby Down_Shift » Mon Feb 05, 2007 10:51 am

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kimmer wrote:oh i see, so only comments that praise this movie are useful? this is called a forum and people express their opinions and i guarantee more people feel the way i do about this movie than the way you do. if you can't handle both points of view then leave.


I love it when someone other than a Mod/Admin/Owner tells someone to leave like they run the joint, it's funny. But seriously, neither of us are goin' anywhere, so let's deal with it. I stated, basicly, you've got nothing positive to say what so ever. I've read the majority of your posts, and even in threads that have absolutly nothing to do with the film, you manage to slam it. You are most definately entitled to your opinion, I never said you weren't. I just gets old hearing all the negativity, that's what ruins disscussions about the movie. Yeah, you hate it, we all get it. Is it gonna change anything? No. Do I like everything with the movie? No. But I got over it. Yeah this is something new, yeah some of the designs suck ass, but whatever. It's not ruining anything for me yet, I'll wait til I see it in action before I pass final judgement.

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And Godzilla '98 rocked. It was a Godzilla movie that didn't look like a middle school theatre club made it.


Man, normally I agree with ya, but not on this. I couldn't headbutt a brick wall enough to forget how bad Godzilla '98 was.


Well put D. Everyone is entitled and welcomed to express your opinions here. But like most any other place on earth, if you can't do it with respect for others then you'll be asked to leave. There are lot of people on this board that can state there distaste for the movie without crying all over their keyboards, and those are the ones that can support a valid and enjoyable debate on what ever it is they are talking about. I'm not telling anyone to jump on the bandwagon or get off the road, all I'm asking is that people maturely address the situation with out the "OMFG, THAT'S IS TEH SUXZORZ!1!1!!111!" that can ruin what could be a solid statement from someone intellegent.

As for the Godzilla part, to tell you all the truth, I've never in my life seen a Godzilla Movie. It never appealed to me as a kid and to this day doesn't make a statement to me. Oh well, my loss I'm sure. If I were to watch one, which would you all recommend? (No one get angry when Ironhidish recommends the '98 version, ok? :P )
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Postby Megatron Wolf » Mon Feb 05, 2007 10:58 am

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Postby Handels-Messerschmitt » Mon Feb 05, 2007 11:12 am

That Starscream would be a better Apeface and that version of Bonecrusher reminds me of something out of Metroid Prime 2. Which isn't bad at all, I suppose.
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Postby Milanion » Mon Feb 05, 2007 11:43 am

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kimmer wrote:oh i see, so only comments that praise this movie are useful? this is called a forum and people express their opinions and i guarantee more people feel the way i do about this movie than the way you do. if you can't handle both points of view then leave.


I love it when someone other than a Mod/Admin/Owner tells someone to leave like they run the joint, it's funny. But seriously, neither of us are goin' anywhere, so let's deal with it. I stated, basicly, you've got nothing positive to say what so ever. I've read the majority of your posts, and even in threads that have absolutly nothing to do with the film, you manage to slam it. You are most definately entitled to your opinion, I never said you weren't. I just gets old hearing all the negativity, that's what ruins disscussions about the movie. Yeah, you hate it, we all get it. Is it gonna change anything? No. Do I like everything with the movie? No. But I got over it. Yeah this is something new, yeah some of the designs suck ass, but whatever. It's not ruining anything for me yet, I'll wait til I see it in action before I pass final judgement.

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And Godzilla '98 rocked. It was a Godzilla movie that didn't look like a middle school theatre club made it.


Man, normally I agree with ya, but not on this. I couldn't headbutt a brick wall enough to forget how bad Godzilla '98 was.


Well put D. Everyone is entitled and welcomed to express your opinions here. But like most any other place on earth, if you can't do it with respect for others then you'll be asked to leave. There are lot of people on this board that can state there distaste for the movie without crying all over their keyboards, and those are the ones that can support a valid and enjoyable debate on what ever it is they are talking about. I'm not telling anyone to jump on the bandwagon or get off the road, all I'm asking is that people maturely address the situation with out the "OMFG, THAT'S IS TEH SUXZORZ!1!1!!111!" that can ruin what could be a solid statement from someone intellegent.

As for the Godzilla part, to tell you all the truth, I've never in my life seen a Godzilla Movie. It never appealed to me as a kid and to this day doesn't make a statement to me. Oh well, my loss I'm sure. If I were to watch one, which would you all recommend? (No one get angry when Ironhidish recommends the '98 version, ok? :P )


Personally, I think all of the Godzilla movies were a waste of time. At least the 98 one had something that looked "real" versus the obvious "man in rubber suit" of every other incarnation. The plots... what plots? Godzilla fights an equally ridiculous monster, or destroys a city. In the 98 movie the destorys a city.

I think the older movies fit into the Mystery Science Theater category. The 98 was "trying to make a silly idea seem serious" sort of like the recent King Kong... and another movie coming out in July ;)
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Postby Down_Shift » Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:14 pm

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Milanion wrote:Personally, I think all of the Godzilla movies were a waste of time. At least the 98 one had something that looked "real" versus the obvious "man in rubber suit" of every other incarnation. The plots... what plots? Godzilla fights an equally ridiculous monster, or destroys a city. In the 98 movie the destorys a city.

I think the older movies fit into the Mystery Science Theater category. The 98 was "trying to make a silly idea seem serious" sort of like the recent King Kong... and another movie coming out in July ;)


See that was my thinking back in the day. Looks like that's one point for the "don't bother" side of the score card.
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Postby lilcarus » Mon Feb 05, 2007 1:21 pm

Megatron_Wolf wrote:In a way frenzy transforms. He can cast a hologram over himself to look like a human. So he "Transforms" into a human. And im sure there isnt just one frenzy. Each D-CON has to have at least one so it looks like someone is driveing them.


since when has he been able to do this...the holo-drivers that the robots use are completely self contained...no other bots are used for that...poof
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Postby Megatron Wolf » Mon Feb 05, 2007 2:03 pm

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Megatron_Wolf wrote:In a way frenzy transforms. He can cast a hologram over himself to look like a human. So he "Transforms" into a human. And im sure there isnt just one frenzy. Each D-CON has to have at least one so it looks like someone is driveing them.


since when has he been able to do this...the holo-drivers that the robots use are completely self contained...no other bots are used for that...poof


Then why does frenzys face and the pilots face in black out look alike. And why would frenzy pop out of baricades chest. And how do you know the drives are self contained? Frenzy is likely a scout/spy and how better to spy on flesh creatures then to look like one? This is my asumption. This also makes frenzy suck less because it isnt the frenzy that we all know from G1. It would just be a name recycle like hasbro has done befor. Which we are all use to by now.

And also the pic we just saw of "soundbyte" is concept art. So he is going to be diffrent in the movie. This was also most likely made when they thought that Soundwave was still going to be part of the movie. Hence the name "soundbyte". And the "product which SB originates from TBD". Or the name could just refference the sound we here in the trailer.
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Postby AbsumZer0 » Mon Feb 05, 2007 2:39 pm

Milanion wrote:
Personally, I think all of the Godzilla movies were a waste of time. At least the 98 one had something that looked "real" versus the obvious "man in rubber suit" of every other incarnation. The plots... what plots? Godzilla fights an equally ridiculous monster, or destroys a city. In the 98 movie the destorys a city.

I think the older movies fit into the Mystery Science Theater category. The 98 was "trying to make a silly idea seem serious" sort of like the recent King Kong... and another movie coming out in July ;)


The whole point is entertainment. Yes, they're bodybuilders and martial artists in intricate foam latex suits hitting each other and doing wire-fu and smashing the hell out of incredible scale replicas while fireworks and sparklers go off around them. You could do the same thing entirely in cgi for 100 million more, but how exactly does that make it any more real? You have to approach kaiju films the same was as martial arts films. They're obviously not really causing one another bodily harm and the glass they get thrown through, the furniture they smash, and the walls they get kicked through are all obviously rigged. So? It's still entertaining and ultimately you have to respect the people who put it together.

Tristar's Godzilla may have tried to make 'a silly idea seem serious' but they failed miserably. How is a marine iguana that gets turned giant by nuclear testing, loves fish (in spite of the fact that all iguanids are primarily herbivores with marine iguanas being strictly so) and lays hundreds of eggs in a sewer really any more realistic or more serious than a bipedal dinosaur living on a hidden tropical island gets turned into a giant monster by nuclear testing and goes on an agry spree of destruction? They're both completely ridiculous, but one of them happens to be the iconic Godzilla with 30 films and multiple toy-lines and television series under his belt while the other had a short-lived summer toy line and a cartoon that is more respected than the film.

In making King Kong Jackson did nothing more than remake the original with modern cgi in place of stop-motion puppetry. He added more scenes, upped the action, changed the dialogue a bit, but King Kong was still King Kong. I didn't like the way it turned-out primarily because of the cast and pacing but you can tell by the film he held a deep respect for the original.
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You seem to know alot about Godzilla Movies. Think you could recommend one to me? I'm interested to see what these things are all about now that it's been brought up.
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Postby Milanion » Mon Feb 05, 2007 3:24 pm

AbsumZer0 wrote:Tristar's Godzilla may have tried to make 'a silly idea seem serious' but they failed miserably.


Godzilla 98 Worldwide: $ 379,014,294 USD
Godzilla 00 Worldwide: $ 12,924,063 USD
Godzilla vs Mothra Worl $ 30,000,000 USD (est)

G98 was a box office success, not a failure.

As "entertainment" goes, I think that the 98 movie fits the bill just the same as the old movies, just in a different - yet equally crappy - way.
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AbsumZer0 wrote: It's still entertaining and ultimately you have to respect the people who put it together.


Respect? Yes, and I do. Find it entertaining and like it? No. You can't tell me Godzilla '98 was a bad movie anymore than I can tell you that Transformers will be a good movie.

Anyway, out of the original Godzilla movies, the only one I found decent enough to enjoy was Godzilla 1984. Try that one Down_Shift.

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And Godzilla '98 rocked. It was a Godzilla movie that didn't look like a middle school theatre club made it.


It looked like a Godzilla movie made by a couple Hollywood hot-shots with no respect or admiration for the property and a $150 million budget.
I agree with AbsumZer0. Seriously Ironhidensh, stop kidding yourself. Sure it has special effects which every movie goer loves but ask yourself this: Could it be better? Of course it could have! All they needed was Mothra or a slew of other Godzilla foes.


Except you didn't factor in one HUGE aspect: Suspension of disbelief.

We have a giant mutant lizard. Of course. It's not necessarily evil, just looking for a home, and it unfortunately picked a spot where people shoot it.

With suspension of disbelief, that works out good.

But if you start to add more monsters, suspension of disbelief doesn't work out well. You can't explain both Godzilla and a bunch of other monsters without getting boring.

If they did a sequel, that would've worked excellently. They explained that Godzilla had one surviving child. It would've worked if Mothra or someone else came and it became a fight between Godzilla and another monster in a fight for territory, with the military trying to kill them both.

And the CGI looked way better than a craptastic rubber suit on a cardboard city.
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Postby Ironhidensh » Mon Feb 05, 2007 3:44 pm

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Fireblast wrote: Seriously Ironhidensh, stop kidding yourself. Sure it has special effects which every movie goer loves but ask yourself this: Could it be better? Of course it could have!


Every single movie every made, since the invention of the movie could have been better. If you are always looking at how it could have been better, you will never be happy.

Oh, and just because it could have been better, doesn't mean it was bad.

I'm not kidding myself at all. If you are to full of yourself to sit back and enjoy a good, visually spectacular and all around entertaining film.....well, that's your loss, not mine.
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Postby Shadowman » Mon Feb 05, 2007 3:45 pm

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Ironhidensh wrote:I'm not kidding myself at all. If you are to full of yourself to sit back and enjoy a good, visually spectacular and all around entertaining film.....well, that's your loss, not mine.


That's why I hate fandoms. They focus so much on why the details weren't exactly right, and in the process they can't enjoy themselves at a good movie.
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Postby Milanion » Mon Feb 05, 2007 4:02 pm

The trouble here is that even if the movie brings in $500,000,000 worldwide... many here will still consider it a "failure" because it doesn't meet their subjective view of Transformers.

Some will say that it is a failure on a plot level, but this is Transformers, not Little Miss Sunshine.

But either way, the 2007 movie is likely to blow away the 1986 Movie's $5 million dollar gross and is likely to be considered to more "sucessful" Transformers Movie.
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Postby AbsumZer0 » Mon Feb 05, 2007 4:09 pm

Shadowman wrote:
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AbsumZer0 wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:
And Godzilla '98 rocked. It was a Godzilla movie that didn't look like a middle school theatre club made it.


It looked like a Godzilla movie made by a couple Hollywood hot-shots with no respect or admiration for the property and a $150 million budget.
I agree with AbsumZer0. Seriously Ironhidensh, stop kidding yourself. Sure it has special effects which every movie goer loves but ask yourself this: Could it be better? Of course it could have! All they needed was Mothra or a slew of other Godzilla foes.


Except you didn't factor in one HUGE aspect: Suspension of disbelief.

We have a giant mutant lizard. Of course. It's not necessarily evil, just looking for a home, and it unfortunately picked a spot where people shoot it.

With suspension of disbelief, that works out good.

But if you start to add more monsters, suspension of disbelief doesn't work out well. You can't explain both Godzilla and a bunch of other monsters without getting boring.

If they did a sequel, that would've worked excellently. They explained that Godzilla had one surviving child. It would've worked if Mothra or someone else came and it became a fight between Godzilla and another monster in a fight for territory, with the military trying to kill them both.

And the CGI looked way better than a craptastic rubber suit on a cardboard city.


If they'd actually used Godzilla then they could have done as Jan de Bont nearly did (but Tristar refused to let him because it would have taken a budget of around 140 million and they wanted to keep it around 70 million, which Devlin and Emmerich promised to do) and assumed, as all the Toho 200x alternate universe series did, that the film was taking place in a world where Godzilla is known to exist.

Godzilla is such an iconic character that they could have simply jumped into it as they would a sequel-type film, with minimum background, and been successful. Instead they chose to reinvent Godzilla with an entirely new background and an appearance nothing like the original, necessitating an introductory film. What they ended-up with was a generic kaiju film with none of the metaphorical depth of the original Godzilla and none of the fun and action of the Godzilla vs films. Instead of creating a franchise any interest in a possible sequel quickly died.

And yes, a properly done big-budget cgi Godzilla film would be great but by dismissing the Toho films as 'a craptastic rubber suit and a cardboard city' you're making it pointedly obvious you haven't actually seen any of the Godzilla or Gamera films made in the last 20 years. If you don't know what you're talking about then you can't be expected to have your opinion taken seriously.

Shadowman wrote:That's why I hate fandoms. They focus so much on why the details weren't exactly right, and in the process they can't enjoy themselves at a good movie.


It wasn't just 'the details' that weren't exactly right. Nearly everything was entirely wrong to the point that it bore nothing more than a slight superficial resemblance to the original property. It wasn't just 'the fanboys', either. The folks at Toho were pretty displeased about the whole incident as well.
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Postby briizilla » Mon Feb 05, 2007 5:16 pm

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briizilla wrote: They are Transformers only because Micheal Bay and Co. are telling us they are. The same arrogant attitudes that ruined Godzilla 98 are at work on this film.


Really? With the sole exception of Frenzy, I think these 'bots and 'cons fulfill every aspect and definition of Transformers.


And Godzilla '98 rocked. It was a Godzilla movie that didn't look like a middle school theatre club made it.



If that definition is robots that transform into stuff, then I suppose it does. Then the Go-bots are Transformers too by your reasoning. That must be why the Go-bots have such a huge fan-base and annual cons and comic books and toy re-issues right? 8-|

The Transformers have distinct looks and personalities, just like my Godzilla example. If you take those looks and personalities away then how are they still Transformers? How is a big ugly bug looking robot with no personality other than "mindless killing machine" Megatron? Because Bay says he is....chug that kool aid brother...

And your comment about the Godzilla series looking like a middle school production...compare the effects of the 1960s films to any SF being made in the US or anywhere else at that time and maybe you might rethink that asinine statement....made all the more asinine by the fact that it was made by someone on a fanboard dedicated to a fairly poorly animated kids cartoon from the 80s....
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