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D-340 wrote:
I was thinkin' of a witty response to this, but hell, with the way things are going now you may be right.

@Down_Shift, recommended Godzilla viewing:

Gojira(they just released a 2-disc set with this and Godzilla:King of the Monsters. Gojira is far superior.)
Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla
Godzilla vs. Spacegodzilla
Godzilla vs. Destroyah
Godzilla 2000
Godzilla against Mechagodzilla
Godzilla GMK

These are my personal favs. And do yourself a favor, stay far, VERY FAR away from Godzilla 98. Anyone out there see Final Wars, I have yet to?

I bought Final Wars as soon as it came out. The references to past films (like the alien antagonists, Minilla, and GINO) are there and it doesn't take itself seriously at all which is kind of nice. I've heard people complain about all the human scenes but there really isn't any more dialogue or less kaiju action than previous films and Ultimate Championship Fighting 8 winner Don Frye is pretty amusing. The martial-arts scenes beat the cheesy dramatics any day. The Gigan redesign (by famous Japanese pop artist Yasushi Nirasawa ) is a thing of beauty. The only drawback I can think of is how brief each Kaiju's scene is due to the number of them that appear. For awhile it was my 3 year-old nephew's favorite film and he has no attention span whatsoever.

@Down_Shift: My personal fave is vs Destroyah, but unless you can find a decent fansub the domestic release is pretty bad with awful dubbing (no subs) and the screen cropped all to hell. Other than that the entire 200x series is pretty easy to get into but they all vary to the point where your enjoyment would depend on your preferences. GMK is a pretty serious film with a lot of asian mysticism and a Godzilla who serves as a demon whose purpose is to remind the people of modern Japan of the sins commited by their Imperial ancestors. The Mechagodzilla films have an updated Mechagodzilla who is obviously heavily inspired by the EVAs from Neon Genesis Evangelion and Final Wars is all about action and self-deprecating humor.

Other than Godzilla you may also want to check-out the Heisei Gamera trilogy done by the director and sfx head who did GMK immediately after. They're great. I'd avise you to watch them in order though because the quality of the special effects improves incrementally by each film to the point where the 3rd installment makes the 1st look cheesy by comparison.

can I ask a question? How can someone be a fan of something for 20 years, and not be care about how its treated on celluloid. How can you invest hundreds of dollars on toys, Spend hundreds of hour on websites dedicated to it, but when it comes to the movie you don't demand quality? What if you spent $200.00 for MP prime and it fell apart the minute you took it out of the box? Why is Spiderman treated like the Holy Grail? It has nothing to do with how popular one series is over another It has to do with Director and Writer Competency. The thing is a lot of the "Fans" don't demand quality. But at least they (fans with low standards)can "enjoy the movie"

Phategod1 wrote:can I ask a question? How can someone be a fan of something for 20 years, and not be care about how its treated on celluloid. How can you invest hundreds of dollars on toys, Spend hundreds of hour on websites dedicated to it, but when it comes to the movie you don't demand quality? What if you spent $200.00 for MP prime and it fell apart the minute you took it out of the box? Why is Spiderman treated like the Holy Grail? It has nothing to do with how popular one series is over another It has to do with Director and Writer Competency. The thing is a lot of the "Fans" don't demand quality. But at least they (fans with low standards)can "enjoy the movie"

Because we haven't had quality in a Transformers show since Beast Wars.

Zuko wrote:

Phategod1 wrote:can I ask a question? How can someone be a fan of something for 20 years, and not be care about how its treated on celluloid. How can you invest hundreds of dollars on toys, Spend hundreds of hour on websites dedicated to it, but when it comes to the movie you don't demand quality? What if you spent $200.00 for MP prime and it fell apart the minute you took it out of the box? Why is Spiderman treated like the Holy Grail? It has nothing to do with how popular one series is over another It has to do with Director and Writer Competency. The thing is a lot of the "Fans" don't demand quality. But at least they (fans with low standards)can "enjoy the movie"

Because we haven't had quality in a Transformers show since Beast Wars.

Beast Machines at least had a plot besides "OH NOSE--IT'S UNYCRONE!!!"

I bought Final Wars as soon as it came out. The references to past films (like the alien antagonists,

That reminds me... Final Wars inspired me to make a gif of it back then.
In 2 ways, i feel it is appropriate for this topic.


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DesalationReborn wrote:

Zuko wrote:

Phategod1 wrote:can I ask a question? How can someone be a fan of something for 20 years, and not be care about how its treated on celluloid. How can you invest hundreds of dollars on toys, Spend hundreds of hour on websites dedicated to it, but when it comes to the movie you don't demand quality? What if you spent $200.00 for MP prime and it fell apart the minute you took it out of the box? Why is Spiderman treated like the Holy Grail? It has nothing to do with how popular one series is over another It has to do with Director and Writer Competency. The thing is a lot of the "Fans" don't demand quality. But at least they (fans with low standards)can "enjoy the movie"

Because we haven't had quality in a Transformers show since Beast Wars.

Beast Machines at least had a plot besides "OH NOSE--IT'S UNYCRONE!!!"

Forgive me. It's 2:30 in the morning and I'm not thinking correctly.

"Because we haven't had quality in a Transformers show since Beast Machines."

DesalationReborn wrote:
Beast Machines at least had a plot besides "OH NOSE--IT'S UNYCRONE!!!"

True, but it also had a ton of plot-holes (like how Waspinator managed to get to Cybertron), unnecessary retcons, Primal constantly rambling on like a hippie, an angsty teen character 100x more annoying than Cheetor ever was, Botanica, and the fire always looked like opaque plastic. For every 1 thing it did right there were 3 things wrong.

Riotflea wrote:That reminds me... Final Wars inspired me to make a gif of it back then.
In 2 ways, i feel it is appropriate for this topic.


(spelling error intentional)

ROFL

AbsumZer0 wrote:

DesalationReborn wrote:
Beast Machines at least had a plot besides "OH NOSE--IT'S UNYCRONE!!!"

True, but it also had a ton of plot-holes (like how Waspinator managed to get to Cybertron), unnecessary retcons, Primal constantly rambling on like a hippie, an angsty teen character 100x more annoying than Cheetor ever was, Botanica, and the fire always looked like opaque plastic. For every 1 thing it did right there were 3 things wrong.

But it is still was light-years above anything from RiD and after.

DesalationReborn wrote:

AbsumZer0 wrote:

DesalationReborn wrote:
Beast Machines at least had a plot besides "OH NOSE--IT'S UNYCRONE!!!"

True, but it also had a ton of plot-holes (like how Waspinator managed to get to Cybertron), unnecessary retcons, Primal constantly rambling on like a hippie, an angsty teen character 100x more annoying than Cheetor ever was, Botanica, and the fire always looked like opaque plastic. For every 1 thing it did right there were 3 things wrong.

But it is still was light-years above anything from RiD and after.

Again with the hate for RID, I friggin' loved RID. But yeah, story-wise, Beast Machines was the last quality story we had.

To answer the question at hand, I do care. But, I've also come to realize this is something new. Loosly based on G1 or not, at the end of the day it's not G1, and in some instances thankfully so. The story so far, though mostly hollywood action-wank, actually isn't too bad. I went into this thinking is was gonna be horrible, like a real bad 2 hour toy comercial. That was the part of the shows from pretty much any one of the series' I despised, especially G1 and the Uni-trilogy. Instead of any real story we got conflict which went into introducing new characters that would if not already be on toy shelves. It was genuinely iritating. That's why I'm glad they're taking the X-men movie approach. New looks for characters(albeit some terrible ones), smaller core teams, and a story that will introduce us to the character's struggles that will continue into the inevitable sequels.

Sure, we have yet to see it, but I still think it'll end up being pretty good. But then again, I was expecting an action movie involving TFs, not something like Lord of the Rings. The only way we'd get that is if Peter Jackson got a hold this franchise.

Completly off-topic but I hated RiD too. If I wanted anime-crap I'd watch DBZ. Transformers did not, does not need to be Anime-ish and before anyone chimes in and says that G1 was anime. Im talking about those stupid japanimation "wild takes" (sweat Bubbles and other non-sense.)That plus there was too many humans. Beast wars and Beast machines had the right amount of Humes. NONE.