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None of those articles list or address any financial information other than the budget. Flop is used to describe the reviews, not the financials.

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Shadowman wrote:American Godzilla made $379,014,294 worldwide, with a budget of $125 million.

It's all right there. That's a $254,000,000 profit. Prove "that" as a financial failure.

Milanion wrote:None of those articles list or address any financial information other than the budget. Flop is used to describe the reviews, not the financials.

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flop /flɒp/ -verb, flopped, flop·ping, noun
–verb (used without object)

3. to be a complete failure; fail: The play flopped dismally.

Flop is being used to describe the film as a whole, not whether it made money. The argument isn't whether Tristar pulled a profit, they did. That, by itself, does not make a film a 'success'. In this case it wasn't a success, it was a flop. A sequel never could have gotten off the ground because after opening weekend it was DOA and nobody would have touched a sequel. That does not = success in the film industry.

"Biggest Flop 1998: "Godzilla." It got a tremendous amount of hype but the movie flopped so no one wanted the licensed products. It's always risky to license a movie because it can be a very expensive flop. Of course, if you go with a successful movie, you're golden. Movies about insects were a much better choice this year. * Hottest License 1999: unable to predict at this time, but it will probably be a movie "
-Selling to Kids (toy industry rag)
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/ ... i_53710950

Milanion wrote:

Shadowman wrote:American Godzilla made $379,014,294 worldwide, with a budget of $125 million.

It's all right there. That's a $254,000,000 profit. Prove "that" as a financial failure.

COMMERCIAL FAILURE. AS A WHOLE. AS IN IN REGARDS TO THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY.

QuietStorm wrote:I'm sorry, but these designs are terrible. If I wanted to watch Gundam, Evangelion, and other Anime series styled robots, I'd watch those shows/movies.

These robots look NOTHING LIKE ANIME MECHA'S
ffs people, if you have no clue what you are talking about then don't talk!

Spoon wrote:

QuietStorm wrote:I'm sorry, but these designs are terrible. If I wanted to watch Gundam, Evangelion, and other Anime series styled robots, I'd watch those shows/movies.

These robots look NOTHING LIKE ANIME MECHA'S
ffs people, if you have no clue what you are talking about then don't talk!

yeah, I've never seen robots like these anywhere. I expect the closest they come to anime would be Evangelion, but even that's a pretty big stretch.

AbsumZer0 wrote:COMMERCIAL FAILURE. AS A WHOLE. AS IN IN REGARDS TO THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY.

I hate to break it to you, but you still have no "proof" - just circumstantial evidence as before.

Get a calculator. Subtract $125 million from $379 million. The number you get is called net profit.

Guess what, a movie doesn't fail financially when it makes a $254 million dollar profit on it's investment of $125m.

Also, I guess I'll be the one to break it to you, a $254m profit is better than a $10m profit.

The fact that you can't seem to grasp either basic concept is amazing.

If a movie doesn't make more than it's budget, it's a financial flop.

Look up, that is not the case here - it's the complete opposite.

Time to move on.

Milanion wrote:

AbsumZer0 wrote:COMMERCIAL FAILURE. AS A WHOLE. AS IN IN REGARDS TO THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY.

I hate to break it to you, but you still have no "proof" - just circumstantial evidence as before.

Get a calculator. Subtract $125 million from $379 million. The number you get is called net profit.

Guess what, a movie doesn't fail financially when it makes a $254 million dollar profit on it's investment of $125m.

Also, I guess I'll be the one to break it to you, a $254m profit is better than a $10m profit.

The fact that you can't seem to grasp either basic concept is amazing.

If a movie doesn't make more than it's budget, it's a financial flop.

Look up, that is not the case here - it's the complete opposite.

Time to move on.

If you regard every fact other than what the studio made as 'irrelevant', as you have. Meanwhile every industry analyst (people who, unlike you, actually make a living in the industry) have in hindsight taken all the factors you've deemed 'irrelevant' into account, like the fact that Tristar demanded a then-unheard of 80% of ticket sales for the first few weeks in the U.S. and other nations while ticket sales dropped 60% by the 2nd weekend, and almost universally declared the film a 'flop' or 'failure'. You can believe what you like but I personally feel they're more likely to know what it is they're talking about than some guy on a fan forum.

What do they care? They made a load of money, three times as much as they spent on the whole thing.

Doesn't matter what the critics think if the company has a hefty wallet after the whole ordeal.

you know, you can stop trying to prove that godzilla made a large profit at the box office, because nobody's denying it. the point absumzer0 is making is that, although it made a profit, it also significantly damaged tristar's credibility and power in the industry because it was so bad that nobody wanted the merchandise. as a result, the profit they made from the box office take on the film wasn't as much as they lost over the next few years because most big-time investors wouldn't come near them after that movie. hence, for tristar as well as everyone else concerned, the movie was a huge mistake.

to summarize, it was a financial success, but also proved to be a huge commercial flop. you guys are fighting two different arguments, and you're both right.

AbsumZer0 wrote:If you regard every fact other than what the studio made as 'irrelevant', as you have. Meanwhile every industry analyst (people who, unlike you, actually make a living in the industry) have in hindsight taken all the factors you've deemed 'irrelevant' into account, like the fact that Tristar demanded a then-unheard of 80% of ticket sales for the first few weeks in the U.S. and other nations while ticket sales dropped 60% by the 2nd weekend, and almost universally declared the film a 'flop' or 'failure'. You can believe what you like but I personally feel they're more likely to know what it is they're talking about than some guy on a fan forum.

I can only present the blatant facts so many times. If you can't accept them, that's fine, but I'm officially done wasting my time here.