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Re: FOC Combaticons combined Bruticus mode: I just can't do it

Postby DevastaTTor » Thu Aug 02, 2012 8:01 pm

This thread confirms exactly why I sold this set when I got back from Comic Con. I really wanted to like it and hated to sell one of my exclusives but in the end, I just wanted the cash to go towards green Giant.
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Re: FOC Combaticons combined Bruticus mode: I just can't do it

Postby Gauntlet101010 » Thu Aug 02, 2012 8:42 pm

Legends Devy was good for it's size. But then, when you have zero expectations, you'll never be dissapointed.

I mean, it didn't really have any articulation. And I think we're all giving it a big pass when it comes to movie accuracy. Also, no need for real fists (most combiners get flak for claw hands). So it's a good combiner, but our expectations of it are really, really low.
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Re: FOC Combaticons combined Bruticus mode: I just can't do it

Postby RAcast » Thu Aug 02, 2012 8:45 pm

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Gauntlet101010 wrote:Legends Devy was good for it's size. But then, when you have zero expectations, you'll never be dissapointed.

I mean, it didn't really have any articulation. And I think we're all giving it a big pass when it comes to movie accuracy. Also, no need for real fists (most combiners get flak for claw hands). So it's a good combiner, but our expectations of it are really, really low.

It's also Legends class. Considering the size restrictions, HasTak did an AMAZING job with it.
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Re: FOC Combaticons combined Bruticus mode: I just can't do it

Postby Gauntlet101010 » Thu Aug 02, 2012 10:45 pm

RAcast wrote:
Gauntlet101010 wrote:Legends Devy was good for it's size. But then, when you have zero expectations, you'll never be dissapointed.

I mean, it didn't really have any articulation. And I think we're all giving it a big pass when it comes to movie accuracy. Also, no need for real fists (most combiners get flak for claw hands). So it's a good combiner, but our expectations of it are really, really low.

It's also Legends class. Considering the size restrictions, HasTak did an AMAZING job with it.

"Amazing" would involve more articulation than Legends devy has. :P
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Re: FOC Combaticons combined Bruticus mode: I just can't do it

Postby atomicgoofball » Sat Aug 04, 2012 6:21 pm

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i posted this in the other bruticus thread, there are so many of them
but...


i was looking forward to the release of this, but im sorry Pic after pic, he just looks like a POS. Like he fell down the steps of the short bus on the way to some cybertronian school for the special needs. Im sorry if i sounded offensive but it is just an opinion.

His hands are tiny and crappy

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no matter how you arrange the limbs, brutishit looks like his shoulders are pooping out arms that look like slugs. He can scratch his shins without bending over.

It looks like to whole FOC line has been halfassed honestly.
60-100 bucks for this? ive seen complaints about buying 3rd party combiners for 200-500+, i understand not everyone wants to pay that price, but i wouldnt pay 100 bucks for a crappy combiner that looks like its a happy meal special.

you might as well put this inspector gadget on display next to bruti

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Re: FOC Combaticons Cobined Mode: I Just Can't Do It

Postby Breakdown 2099 » Sat Aug 04, 2012 11:01 pm

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orangeitis wrote:I didn't say it is. But the force of the limb landing on the floor first, with all the pressure of the rest of the figure falling on top of it, the limb would be tossed away at a decent speed.


I'm not a drop test expert either, but I don't think that has anything to do with it.

orangeitis wrote:It's an SDCC toy. Not a retail version. That's like wanting to hold 2007 Shattered Glass Oprimus Prime to $700 standards, because that's around how much it's being sold for now(last time I checked, at least)


Okay, but you can get Hercules for like $300 in shops over in China so from now on we'll just consider him a $300 toy then. Or six $50 toys which is about the same price as a voyager United figure. ;)


Can somebody explain to me the different categories that may effect the outcome of said "drop test"? Logically thinking, a TF would do less damage than a Lego City dropped from the height? (Think of all those annoying small studs) Are there different levels of drop testing-ness(?) Cheers.
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Re: FOC Combaticons Cobined Mode: I Just Can't Do It

Postby Autobot032 » Sat Aug 04, 2012 11:05 pm

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breakdown99 wrote:
Kibble wrote:
orangeitis wrote:I didn't say it is. But the force of the limb landing on the floor first, with all the pressure of the rest of the figure falling on top of it, the limb would be tossed away at a decent speed.


I'm not a drop test expert either, but I don't think that has anything to do with it.

orangeitis wrote:It's an SDCC toy. Not a retail version. That's like wanting to hold 2007 Shattered Glass Oprimus Prime to $700 standards, because that's around how much it's being sold for now(last time I checked, at least)


Okay, but you can get Hercules for like $300 in shops over in China so from now on we'll just consider him a $300 toy then. Or six $50 toys which is about the same price as a voyager United figure. ;)


Can somebody explain to me the different categories that may effect the outcome of said "drop test"? Logically thinking, a TF would do less damage than a Lego City dropped from the height? (Think of all those annoying small studs) Are there different levels of drop testing-ness(?) Cheers.


Well, the thing is, Lego pieces are modular. They're meant to break away and because of this, usually cause less injury or damage.

A Transformer falling from said height (I believe it's 3 feet...) is problematic because if it breaks, it can shatter and those pieces can become small shrapnel. Smaller chunks could be swallowed, etc. Even entire limbs or sections of the figure could go flying and cause injury.
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Re: FOC Combaticons Cobined Mode: I Just Can't Do It

Postby Breakdown 2099 » Sat Aug 04, 2012 11:11 pm

Autobot032 wrote:
breakdown99 wrote:
Kibble wrote:
orangeitis wrote:I didn't say it is. But the force of the limb landing on the floor first, with all the pressure of the rest of the figure falling on top of it, the limb would be tossed away at a decent speed.


I'm not a drop test expert either, but I don't think that has anything to do with it.

orangeitis wrote:It's an SDCC toy. Not a retail version. That's like wanting to hold 2007 Shattered Glass Oprimus Prime to $700 standards, because that's around how much it's being sold for now(last time I checked, at least)


Okay, but you can get Hercules for like $300 in shops over in China so from now on we'll just consider him a $300 toy then. Or six $50 toys which is about the same price as a voyager United figure. ;)


Can somebody explain to me the different categories that may effect the outcome of said "drop test"? Logically thinking, a TF would do less damage than a Lego City dropped from the height? (Think of all those annoying small studs) Are there different levels of drop testing-ness(?) Cheers.


Well, the thing is, Lego pieces are modular. They're meant to break away and because of this, usually cause less injury or damage.

A Transformer falling from said height (I believe it's 3 feet...) is problematic because if it breaks, it can shatter and those pieces can become small shrapnel. Smaller chunks could be swallowed, etc. Even entire limbs or sections of the figure could go flying and cause injury.



A-haaa... Now it makes a bit more sense. I thought they just put on their safety goggles and hurled the buggers down the stairs regardless of the toy. Thanks Autobot032!
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Re: FOC Combaticons Cobined Mode: I Just Can't Do It

Postby Autobot032 » Sat Aug 04, 2012 11:52 pm

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breakdown99 wrote:
Autobot032 wrote:
breakdown99 wrote:
Kibble wrote:
orangeitis wrote:I didn't say it is. But the force of the limb landing on the floor first, with all the pressure of the rest of the figure falling on top of it, the limb would be tossed away at a decent speed.


I'm not a drop test expert either, but I don't think that has anything to do with it.

orangeitis wrote:It's an SDCC toy. Not a retail version. That's like wanting to hold 2007 Shattered Glass Oprimus Prime to $700 standards, because that's around how much it's being sold for now(last time I checked, at least)


Okay, but you can get Hercules for like $300 in shops over in China so from now on we'll just consider him a $300 toy then. Or six $50 toys which is about the same price as a voyager United figure. ;)


Can somebody explain to me the different categories that may effect the outcome of said "drop test"? Logically thinking, a TF would do less damage than a Lego City dropped from the height? (Think of all those annoying small studs) Are there different levels of drop testing-ness(?) Cheers.


Well, the thing is, Lego pieces are modular. They're meant to break away and because of this, usually cause less injury or damage.

A Transformer falling from said height (I believe it's 3 feet...) is problematic because if it breaks, it can shatter and those pieces can become small shrapnel. Smaller chunks could be swallowed, etc. Even entire limbs or sections of the figure could go flying and cause injury.



A-haaa... Now it makes a bit more sense. I thought they just put on their safety goggles and hurled the buggers down the stairs regardless of the toy. Thanks Autobot032!


No problem. :) Although, the goggles idea could be cool... Hmm. C'mere FOC Jazz...we's gon' try an experiment...
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Re: FOC Combaticons combined Bruticus mode: I just can't do it

Postby El Duque » Sun Aug 05, 2012 10:59 am

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I'm certainly no expert on the "drop test", but from what I understand it has less to do with things shooting off and more to do with the plastic actually breaking into sharp and potentially dangerous shards.
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Re: FOC Combaticons Cobined Mode: I Just Can't Do It

Postby Breakdown 2099 » Thu Aug 09, 2012 4:06 am

Autobot032 wrote:
breakdown99 wrote:
Autobot032 wrote:
breakdown99 wrote:
Kibble wrote:
orangeitis wrote:I didn't say it is. But the force of the limb landing on the floor first, with all the pressure of the rest of the figure falling on top of it, the limb would be tossed away at a decent speed.


I'm not a drop test expert either, but I don't think that has anything to do with it.

orangeitis wrote:It's an SDCC toy. Not a retail version. That's like wanting to hold 2007 Shattered Glass Oprimus Prime to $700 standards, because that's around how much it's being sold for now(last time I checked, at least)


Okay, but you can get Hercules for like $300 in shops over in China so from now on we'll just consider him a $300 toy then. Or six $50 toys which is about the same price as a voyager United figure. ;)


Can somebody explain to me the different categories that may effect the outcome of said "drop test"? Logically thinking, a TF would do less damage than a Lego City dropped from the height? (Think of all those annoying small studs) Are there different levels of drop testing-ness(?) Cheers.


Well, the thing is, Lego pieces are modular. They're meant to break away and because of this, usually cause less injury or damage.

A Transformer falling from said height (I believe it's 3 feet...) is problematic because if it breaks, it can shatter and those pieces can become small shrapnel. Smaller chunks could be swallowed, etc. Even entire limbs or sections of the figure could go flying and cause injury.



A-haaa... Now it makes a bit more sense. I thought they just put on their safety goggles and hurled the buggers down the stairs regardless of the toy. Thanks Autobot032!


No problem. :) Although, the goggles idea could be cool... Hmm. C'mere FOC Jazz...we's gon' try an experiment...


LOL Judging by all the breaking tabs, brainfart design ideas and asspie execution on the thing, maybe we should throw the designers instead
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Re: FOC Combaticons combined Bruticus mode: I just can't do it

Postby BeastProwl » Thu Aug 09, 2012 10:54 am

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If they are using less plastic to cut costs, why not just release less figures at a time? That way we would have quality, and also have the time to collect them. Of course, Has/Tak probably doesn't think that way, but it could work.

It's like, they made the FE figures, so why remake them if they already have perfect molds that are already manufactured and available to the company? It just seems dumb to, well, dumb down figures because of the costs when you make mistakes that are that stupid and in lack of any common sense. I understand that they dumbed down the complexity, but not the quality.

Kids are smarter than people give them credit for. My little cousin was able to transform ROTF Leader Class Starscream, and he was just a little kid, and he didnt know much about TFs other than the movies. He made it go from robot to jet too, wich takes brains at that age.

ROTF Figures were ridiculously complex because they were trying to make them as accurate as possible, that I can agree with. But they have proven with the generations WFC figures, and the FE Prime figures that they can be accurate, but not terribly complex. I think that Has/Tak should look into its target demographic a bit harder. Kids arent that dumb, and the ones that are are either to young, or shouldnt be playing with TFs period.

This is all terribly ironic, because as FOC Bruticus is a combiner with a scramble function, that means that, in a way, they "upped" the complexity a bit. In this case I think they could have benefited a bit from the ideology of "less is more"

If they would have kept it simple, it probably could have been loads better. No need for that scramble function, and without it, it wouldnt be inaccurate, because every bot would go in a certain place. They wouldnt need to sacrifice the transformations and such for some stupid option that most people probably wouldnt even notice.
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