Optimus Primevil wrote:1a. it all the insta-powers RoTF had, no one thought of having a transformer capable of freezing abilities?.
Apparently not. We can only go by what we have seen, not what we "Think" they could have come up with.
2a. can't it be a closed door meeting? if the decepticons are such a threat then why inform only a few that there is such a threat?
Because people a whole are stupid. You tell who you need to tell and thats it. The more you tell, the more likely it is that priliged information gts out in the public eye.
3a. if you listen at prime's line to a fallen demolishor, optimus had no plans to let them live at all, hence why can't they have a sniper unit take them down rather than send an combat unit to drag the fight as long as it did. moviewise that would suck, real life it's practical. prime don't have the experience to think of such a plan?
You just answered you own question.
1.- people don't pay $10 to see a con get snipered and thats it.
2.- Demolisher, Sideways, and presumibly every con in hiding) is in vehicle mode. If your going to sniper someone, you need a clear shot of a vital body part. You don't have that shot in vehicle mode. (and no, there aren't no speacial infra red energon sensing equipment that can tell nest or the autobots were the heads or sparks are. So don't even try it.
4. so when adolf uses that arguement it's bad but when optimus does it, it's good? it's like torture and WMDs it's either bad or not, you don't go renaming it to "weapons of mass protection" or "whatever the US is calling torture".
Do you even pay attention to what is said? Seriously, last time dude. I've explained on 3 different occasions what the differance is. Hittler was about world domination and imprisoned inocent people based on lies and his own personal predijuce. Basicly exactly what the decepticons cause were about. Prime and the autobots were about fefending the humans and the right to live on their own planet from the decepticons who planed on destroying earth and enslaving humanity. Yet, you somehow still believe that their lifes should be spared?
5. allspark fell on earth, megs could've just taken it but got skyfired and humans picked off pieces of him to make "earth" tech while being aware and not being able to do anything. if megatron had no hatred of humans when he came here, he did now. the fallen would've killed us anyway if the sun harvester was on mercury, the rule of the primes was that never put the darn thing on a planet with life.
Again, you don't listen to anything. He was never picked off. He was studied! Get it?? Studied!! And the rule was to never destroy a sun that would in turn destory a planet with life. And even so, if your rule was the correct one, you just proved yourself wrong again!
They did put the damn thing on a planet with life and the fallen knowing this still wanted to turn it on!
6.so dylan gould doesn't count?
No he doesn't, cause the decepticons were doing far worse to humans long before him. Heck, the Cons even turned against their own human conspirators and had Lazerbeak kill them all.
7. they're protecting theirs by trying to get the allspark and turn the darn machine on
No, it had nothing to do with protecting their own. It was the Fallen's greed that was the modivation to turn on the machine.
At this point, we seem to be going around in circles and you have disproved your own "therey's" in your own posts. So at this pint, i'm not sure if there anything more that can be added to help your case. Maybe we should just agree to disagree.