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so is that why optimus never leaves any transformer he fights to live? if only he let demolishor lived to find out more about the fallen, then he could've stopped a majority of the events on RotF from happening andhe could've also just beat the crap out of megatron and sentinel then have them locked up, but then he had to violate his own rule.


then again seeing an optimus giving no quarter is one of the movies strong points (no "out of the way hot rod' scenes)

Optimus Primevil wrote:if only he let demolishor lived to find out more about the fallen, then he could've stopped a majority of the events on RotF from happening

That is assuming that Demolishor was privy to all of the details of the Fallen and Megatron's plans for Earth. For all the audience knows, he knows nothing more than "The Fallen shall rise again". I always say him as more of a messenger, who's purpose was to deliver an ominous warning. Any extent of his knowledge about the actual plan that the Fallen and Megatron execute later isn't really much beyond speculation.

Optimus Primevil wrote:and he could've also just beat the crap out of megatron and sentinel then have them locked up, but then he had to violate his own rule.

Where would he lock them up? What country would want to undertake the responsibility and national security risk of housing intergalactic war criminals? And who would be responsible for paying for, funding, and maintaining the facility? The size that would be necessary to house Megatron and Sentinel alone would have been a very large undertaking in terms of construction, and the size you would need to house numerous Decepticon prisoners is an even greater, more expensive undertaking for any nation. And ultimately, what would stop the Decepticons from working to free those captured, or the prisoners themselves from escaping and starting the conflict all over again.

Megatron has only one goal: The utter extermination and/or enslavement of the human race. That is the end result of his attempts to rebuild Cybertron. The moment he chose to attempt to use the All-Spark to rebuild an army of Decepticons and restart the war he lost his right to freedom. The moment he chose to use a sun harvester to destroy our sun, and thus ALL SENTIENT LIFE ON OUR PLANET he lost his right to freedom. And the moment he and Sentinel tried to enslave the entire human race to be used as slave labor he lost his right to freedom. He and the Decepticons chose their path to their goal, and in the end, Optimus chose to sacrifice the freedom of the few to ensure the freedom of the many.

Because they all threatened freedom. When someone defies freedom, Optimus gets pissed, and when he gets pissed he kills those who oppose freedom.

yeah sure freedom isnt free, you gotta thrown in your buck o'five

Joker'sRequiem wrote:That is assuming that Demolishor was privy to all of the details of the Fallen and Megatron's plans for Earth. For all the audience knows, he knows nothing more than "The Fallen shall rise again". I always say him as more of a messenger, who's purpose was to deliver an ominous warning. Any extent of his knowledge about the actual plan that the Fallen and Megatron execute later isn't really much beyond speculation.

well... if he let his live long enough to 'ask' then we could've been sure now would we?

Joker'sRequiem wrote:Where would he lock them up? What country would want to undertake the responsibility and national security risk of housing intergalactic war criminals? And who would be responsible for paying for, funding, and maintaining the facility? The size that would be necessary to house Megatron and Sentinel alone would have been a very large undertaking in terms of construction, and the size you would need to house numerous Decepticon prisoners is an even greater, more expensive undertaking for any nation. And ultimately, what would stop the Decepticons from working to free those captured, or the prisoners themselves from escaping and starting the conflict all over again.

Megatron has only one goal: The utter extermination and/or enslavement of the human race. That is the end result of his attempts to rebuild Cybertron. The moment he chose to attempt to use the All-Spark to rebuild an army of Decepticons and restart the war he lost his right to freedom. The moment he chose to use a sun harvester to destroy our sun, and thus ALL SENTIENT LIFE ON OUR PLANET he lost his right to freedom. And the moment he and Sentinel tried to enslave the entire human race to be used as slave labor he lost his right to freedom. He and the Decepticons chose their path to their goal, and in the end, Optimus chose to sacrifice the freedom of the few to ensure the freedom of the many.

don't the autobots have any 'holding facilities' on cybertron?

and what makes megatron (and sentinel) any different from the roman and british empires who conquered and enslaved yet history sings praises of their accomplishments? then again megatron would be more alike with chinggis khan and history speaks more of his brutality than his accomplishments.


in the dark horse star wars mini-series crimson empire, the main baddie carnor jax was wanted captured alive by the rebellion because of all his knowledge of the empire. with him they could end the war in a matter of months (as opposed to years). even though megatron and sentinel were off-planet for millenia, they still have forces loyal to them and by killing them off, those forces would've probably gone underground and engage in hit-and-run tactics. a skilled tactician could've used them (megatron and sentinel) as bait to draw those forces into a trap.

but then again, they are sentient and thus have the right to freedom

After watching all three films in one day, I came to the realization that Prime seems to have given up most of his hope for his own race, even from the get go of the first film, like how he would rather get rid of the cube at any cost (IE his own life is the greatest he can offer without beginning to involve others). It starts when Bumblebee is captured and Prime's refusing to rescue him because "there's no way to free Bumblebee without harming the humans." From there he defends the human race in speaking to the other Autobots because we're "primitive."
It gets reinforced in the second film when he's revived.

It looks a lot like he's molding and trying desperately to protect the human race from what happened to the Cybertronians.
From that perspective, suddenly human life (or any form of life he deems more redeemable than his own race's) has more value than his brothers.

The Long and short of it is Bay Never understood the character of Optimus. Bay made him your typical Kill everything hero. The G1 Optimus would never Kill a defenseless opponent, There is no honor in that. Optimus killing with cheap one liners is not Optimus at all.

He did set them free....to the afterlife.

Powermaster Jazz wrote:He did set them free....to the afterlife.

so basically optimus is darkseid? in case no one gets it, the worst thing darkseid can do to you is send you into an eternal reincarnation loop, with the next life being more crap-@$$ than the last. the best thing he can do to you is a quick death.

Optimus Primevil wrote:so is that why optimus never leaves any transformer he fights to live? if only he let demolishor lived to find out more about the fallen, then he could've stopped a majority of the events on RotF from happening andhe could've also just beat the crap out of megatron and sentinel then have them locked up, but then he had to violate his own rule.

then again seeing an optimus giving no quarter is one of the movies strong points (no "out of the way hot rod' scenes)

well, the autobots aren't living in freedom....

NatsumeRyu wrote:After watching all three films in one day, I came to the realization that Prime seems to have given up most of his hope for his own race, even from the get go of the first film, like how he would rather get rid of the cube at any cost (IE his own life is the greatest he can offer without beginning to involve others). It starts when Bumblebee is captured and Prime's refusing to rescue him because "there's no way to free Bumblebee without harming the humans." From there he defends the human race in speaking to the other Autobots because we're "primitive."
It gets reinforced in the second film when he's revived.

It looks a lot like he's molding and trying desperately to protect the human race from what happened to the Cybertronians.
From that perspective, suddenly human life (or any form of life he deems more redeemable than his own race's) has more value than his brothers.

Cybertronians are endangered race but he cares. Optimus Prime is the leader and he decides their fate.