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Optimus Primevil wrote: so what's stopping them to go back or is such a hell-hole that optimus doesn't want to go back? probably because based on the ending of the first movie he basically tells them to go to earth.

Optimus Primevil wrote: you even read the part about the using them as bait for a trap?).

Optimus Primevil wrote:they're sentient are they? so by optimus' logic they are entitled to freedom...hence why he kills them all instead(according to the movies).

Optimus Primevil wrote:so it's ok for the humans to capture and dissect advanced beings and not the other way around?

5150 Cruiser wrote:

Optimus Primevil wrote:so it's ok for the humans to capture and dissect advanced beings and not the other way around?

When did we disect any advance beings? If your referring to megatron we never decected him.

But i'll ask again, how do you plan on holding any decpticon prisoners?

5150 Cruiser wrote:

Optimus Primevil wrote: don't the autobots have any 'holding facilities' on cybertron?

Maybe. But there not on Cybertron. There on earth.

Optimus Primevil wrote:and what makes megatron (and sentinel) any different from the roman and british empires who conquered and enslaved yet history sings praises of their accomplishments? then again megatron would be more alike with chinggis khan and history speaks more of his brutality than his accomplishments.?

Um, no history does not praise slavery as their acomplishments. Don't know who is teaching you history, but i'd switch classes.

Optimus Primevil wrote: in the dark horse star wars mini-series crimson empire, the main baddie carnor jax was wanted captured alive by the rebellion because of all his knowledge of the empire. with him they could end the war in a matter of months (as opposed to years). even though megatron and sentinel were off-planet for millenia, they still have forces loyal to them and by killing them off, those forces would've probably gone underground and engage in hit-and-run tactics. a skilled tactician could've used them (megatron and sentinel) as bait to draw those forces into a trap.

Again, your asuming that there is a facility large and strong enough to house them. And even if that were the case, you run the risk of the enemy forces staging a rescue and putting more lives in danger. Sentinel Proved that he was as strong, aif not stronger than Optimus. Atempting to hold him would have been to high of a risk. And concidering both Megs and Sentinel's ideal were to destroy/enslave the human race and that they can potentially lie for thousands of years, holding them captive wasn't feasible from logical stand point.

Optimus Primevil wrote:but then again, they are sentient and thus have the right to freedom

So its their right for freedom, but it it ok for them to take our freedom away? Sentinel and Megatron wanted to use Humans as slave labor, clean us dry of natural resources and were responisble for not only Autobot deaths, but hundreds of human deaths as well. Yet you believe they should still have the rights of freedom? Really?

twiztid_soundwave wrote:The thing that gets me, is that people understate the power the director has in regards to re-writes. If something goes on that the director didn't like, he has, full right to revise, and change it if he wishes, See Richard Donner's superman, their were many things cut, and changed by the directors wants. Bay is given FAR too little negativity where people use the writers as an excuse for bad character representation

But as this is, and always was, HIS vision, His Prime is just that, Bay's view of what Prime should do, and what he should be, taking nothing g1 or anything in regard. Hence, why he gets bashed for it

Optimus Primevil wrote:

5150 Cruiser wrote:

Optimus Primevil wrote:so it's ok for the humans to capture and dissect advanced beings and not the other way around?

When did we disect any advance beings? If your referring to megatron we never decected him.

But i'll ask again, how do you plan on holding any decpticon prisoners?

chop off zee limbs, surround the area with earth's toxic waste(well if cybertron's such a hell hole now then prime won't object to the earth's governments to use it as a dumping ground now would he?) then blow off aging earth nukes when someone gets on the perimeter.

harsh, yes but movie prime's all ready ruthless.