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Re: Frenzy: Barricade's Minion or Soundwave's?

Postby PrymeStriker » Thu Aug 25, 2011 10:05 pm

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Soundwave was originally planned to be in the movie, (at one point, he was a damn blender...) but was cut out (only to be in ROTF and DOTM). Since Frenzy was already in there (Was going to be named Soundwave at one point) they gave him to Decepticon Prowl Barricade.

Although G1 and Movie-Verse have many, many similarties (and differences. This is one of them), they are NOT the same continuity. And it's made very obvious. Everything does not have to match up with G1, although some GEEWUNNERS fans have continuously hope this to be so.
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Re: Frenzy: Barricade's Minion or Soundwave's?

Postby Mizuno » Thu Aug 25, 2011 10:31 pm

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I guess soundwave sent frenzy with barricade to help him with his mission to find the cube and megs as soundwave was himself unable to go (as he was collecting intelligence in orbit)
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Re: Frenzy: Barricade's Minion or Soundwave's?

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Sun Aug 28, 2011 7:33 pm

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Marcdachamp wrote:The films are a LOT more faithful than I think most fans would care to admit.


To quote Incepticon from TFW
Prime: semi truck, mouthplate, red & blue, Autobot leader, voiced by Peter Cullen - as per G1
Bumblebee: yellow car, cute, Sam's "buddy" - as per G1
Jazz: small sports car, visor in robot mode, sounds "black" (not in a racist way) - as per G1
Ratchet: medic vehicle, medic character - as per G1
Ironhide: old, war torn & gruff in character - as per G1
Wheeljack: inventor character - as per G1
Megatron: silver & gray, Decepticon leader - as per G1
Shockwave: cyclops eye, head antenna, purple, large canon on arm - as per G1
Starscream: jet, underling to Megatron, weasley personality - as per G1
Soundwave: recon, spy, has Ravage & Laserbeak minions, voiced by Frank Welker - as per G1
Ravage: cat-like beast mode, minion of Soundwave - as per G1
Laserbeak: condor bird-like beast mode, minion of Soundwave - as per G1
Brawl: giant green tank - as per G1
Devastator: combiner made of Constructicons - as per G1
Long Haul: dump truck, Constructicon, colored bright green - as per G1
Sam: last name Witwicky, companion to Bumblebee - as per G1
Carly: blonde, girlfriend of Sam - as per G1

Plus...

- Cullen & Welker reprising the roles they originally did for G1

- G1 transformation sound heard throughout all three movies

- Matrix of Leadership existing and possessed by Prime - introduced via G1

- existence of the space bridge - introduced via G1

- Prime having a glowing orange axe and Megatron utilizing a mace - introduced via G1

- DOTM main plots being the exile of the Autobots and the transport of Cybertron to Earth, as per the G1 episodes "The Ultimate Doom" and "Megatron's Master Plan"

- Jazz's flip onto Brawl in TF1 was almost a frame for frame recreation of Kup flipping onto Blitzwing in the original G1 animated movie

- most of Prime's key one-liners such as "one shall stand, one shall", "Autobots, roll out", and "it's just you and me now, Megatron" lifted directly from G1

- Sam tells Mikeala she's "more than meets the eye" - G1's definitive tagline

- Ironhide's mention of "leaking lubrant" in direct reference one of his most famous G1 lines

- Autobot & Decepticon logos based off G1 versions - not G2, not Beast Wars


these films didnt have characters by the name of Brawl or Wheeljack.
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Re: Frenzy: Barricade's Minion or Soundwave's?

Postby PrymeStriker » Sun Aug 28, 2011 7:50 pm

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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:these films didnt have characters by the name of Brawl or Wheeljack.


:^/
Que/Wheeljack
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So, how are they not in the movies???
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Re: Frenzy: Barricade's Minion or Soundwave's?

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Sun Aug 28, 2011 7:57 pm

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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:these films didnt have characters by the name of Brawl or Wheeljack.


:^/
Que/Wheeljack


Named Que in the film
Brawl


Named Devastator in the film

So, how are they not in the movies???


Because no characters by those names were in the films.

And before you go there

"Devastator" was not a mistake, it was deliberately done by Bay
And "Wheeljack" may have appared in the credits but the end credits arent "in continuity" with the story.
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Re: Frenzy: Barricade's Minion or Soundwave's?

Postby PrymeStriker » Sun Aug 28, 2011 8:03 pm

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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Named Que in the film
Named Devastator in the film

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Again. Que/Wheeljack
So this would be Devastator/Brawl

I suppose you should be more specific:
these films didnt have characters by the name of Brawl or Wheeljack
How about:
these characters were not named Brawl and Wheeljack in the films

Because in this continuity (as far as I know), they have them named Brawl and Wheeljack everywhere else (Games, Comics, Toyline)
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Re: Frenzy: Barricade's Minion or Soundwave's?

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Sun Aug 28, 2011 8:14 pm

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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Named Que in the film
Named Devastator in the film

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gain. Que/Wheeljack
So this would be Devastator/Brawl


No.

the names Brawl and Wheeljack were never used in side the story.

I suppose you should be more specific:
these films didnt have characters by the name of Brawl or Wheeljack


I suppose you should pay more attention to what you reply too.

Sorry if that sounds rude but my words were very specific:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:these films didnt have characters by the name of Brawl or Wheeljack.


Because in this continuity (as far as I know), they have them named Brawl and Wheeljack everywhere else (Games, Comics, Toyline)


Your confused.

They are all part of the same "continuity family" but each branch is a different continuity

the games are their own continuity
the comics are their own continuity
the novels are their own continuity
the toys have their own continuity
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Re: Frenzy: Barricade's Minion or Soundwave's?

Postby Lastjustice » Mon Aug 29, 2011 4:46 am

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Sto, it's a technicality, and I'm a spirit of the law sort of guy so this doesn't fly with me. It even sounds like it says brawl reporting when you hear the clip. The movie's ignore this , and acknowledge Devastator to be the combined form of the Constructicons(whcih Megatron actually says the name not a text box that could easily be edited to anything at the last minute.), retconning your point out of existence as Brawl is the name used in every other instance of the character outside of the movie. The movies treat the throw away line as an error, and ultimately just comes down to another Frenzy is red, and rumble is blue argument.(as if transformers needed more of those.)

There's some conflict with names, but these characters are modeled directly after their G1 counterparts, and the same name in some versiosn of the stories. I accept either name it's just being nitpicky to squabble over something that got screwed up by Hasbro/Bay/whoever else worked on these projects. Not the fans.
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Re: Frenzy: Barricade's Minion or Soundwave's?

Postby Red 50 » Mon Aug 29, 2011 12:01 pm

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The way I see it:

The tank is Brawl, he was just called Devastator in movie 1 because Michael Bay thought it sounded cooler, but officially he is Brawl.

And Que probably shares the same fate: he's called Que because it sounds cooler, but OFFICIALLY he's Wheeljack.

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Re: Frenzy: Barricade's Minion or Soundwave's?

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Mon Aug 29, 2011 1:46 pm

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Lastjustice wrote:Sto, it's a technicality, and I'm a spirit of the law sort of guy so this doesn't fly with me.


Hardly a technicality,Its just an other example of difference between different branch's of the franchise.

G1 originally had what?About 5 or 6 different branch's for their fictions continuity???

The movie franchise is the same.

It even sounds like it says brawl reporting when you hear the clip.


I've seen that argument, but no one has been able to show any clinical evidence of it.

The movie's ignore this , and acknowledge Devastator to be the combined form of the Constructicons(whcih Megatron actually says the name not a text box that could easily be edited to anything at the last minute.),


The fact that the sequels ignore the issue is not the same thing as a retcon.They had their chance to retcon the problem with the DVD release.Reports are that Bay refused to fix the issue.

The "text box" was ment to translate the cyberton language, so its part of the story.

retconning your point out of existence as Brawl is the name used in every other instance of the character outside of the movie.


Your wrong about that as well.

He wasnt called Brawl in the Titan Magazines Transformers movie comics and was not Brawl in the novel of the first film.
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