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Re: Frenzy: Barricade's Minion or Soundwave's?

Postby Lastjustice » Tue Aug 30, 2011 10:04 pm

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Nothing.

Hasbro pointed out the issue before the film was released.The writers pointed out the issue before the film was released.



But since Michael actually reused the name Devastator(which by your own words is able to veto this.) ....wait for it...he concedes that intent as well. This is same continuity , it's not Megatron in G1, and Megatron 2 in beast wars...so they can't both be Devastator.

I say by them ignoring the problem left us with 2 different characters with the same name.They had the chance to retcon it and refused to do so.



When did they have chance to retcon it? They hadn't made the second movie yet, and had no idea what was going be in it.(or that there was going be sequel for sure, as it wasn't announced till a couple months after the first movie was out of theathers I believe.) In order for a retcon to happen something new has to be made. Given Brawl was dead, there was no need to rename him on screen. So they needed to rename a dead character for you to acknowledge the error....that would noly made it more confusing than just ignoring the throw away line in the first film.

This likely reason they didn't have a roll call in second film for the Cons...people can't mess up names of unnanmed minions heh. The majority of the Decepticons names were never mentioned during the film...Does that somehow mean they don't have names? I mean that's what Bay gave us. Is that how silly yuo want to get with this?


I believe what was given to us on film.


No, you just refuse to acknowledge contuity errors.

Take Xmen series, their contuity is all sorts of jacked up. The only explanion that makes a lick of sense is X3 and Wolverine can not have happened for First Class to have taken place.

If I go with this well the movie says so, and people can't change their minds or make mistakes stance you are there's two characters named Emma frost. Two different mutant experts named Hank Mccoy. Professor X regained use of his legs after he was shot, and somehow lost the ability to walk again after recruiting Cyclops and Jean. (and made amends briefly with Magneto to recruit Jean at the beginning of X3.)

So no this Movie is the highest canon, and errors can not be made is pure slag. If the powers that be, Hasbro the highest authority on Transformers say in the end it's an error, it's an error. The fact Bay himself allows the name to be reuse only reinforces this. (Though I don't think you'll ever hear him say I goofed up wasting the potential name on Brawl.This the closest you'd get to him admitting he was wrong..my father was same way.)

There's plenty of other errors with in the films Bay made, so Game Set and Match. Is really that hard to just say Brawl was mistakenly named in the first film ?
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Re: Frenzy: Barricade's Minion or Soundwave's?

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Tue Aug 30, 2011 10:51 pm

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Lastjustice wrote:But since Michael actually reused the name Devastator(which by your own words is able to veto this.) ....wait for it...he concedes that intent as well. This is same continuity , it's not Megatron in G1, and Megatron 2 in beast wars...so they can't both be Devastator.


A] even if he [now] acknowledges the intent of Hasbro it doesnt change what he did in the film
B] who says they can't both be Devastator?

There have been other examples of 2 different characters with the same name in other TF continuities.

When did they have chance to retcon it?


First DVD release.

Not to mention that Hasbro,Archer and the writers said it would likely be fixed on the DVD release.It doesnt matter that the 2nd film wasnt made yet, if Bay felt it was a mistake that was his chance to fix it.

And by the time the first DVD was in production, he already knew he was going to make a 2nd film.

(or that there was going be sequel for sure, as it wasn't announced till a couple months after the first movie was out of theathers I believe.)


Actually the 2nd film was green lite within days of the premier.

In order for a retcon to happen something new has to be made. Given Brawl was dead, there was no need to rename him on screen.


A] the retcon could have been done on the DVD release
B] their could have been some mention of the character in the 2nd film.

The majority of the Decepticons names were never mentioned during the film...Does that somehow mean they don't have names?


It means no names were given on film.If you choose to use the toy or credit names thats up to you.

No, you just refuse to acknowledge contuity errors.


Not at all, but even continuity errors are in fact what we may have seen.

But differences in names arent really a "continuity error".

Take Xmen series, their contuity is all sorts of jacked up. The only explanion that makes a lick of sense is X3 and Wolverine can not have happened for First Class to have taken place.

If I go with this well the movie says so, and people can't change their minds or make mistakes stance you are there's two characters named Emma frost. Two different mutant experts named Hank Mccoy. Professor X regained use of his legs after he was shot, and somehow lost the ability to walk again after recruiting Cyclops and Jean. (and made amends briefly with Magneto to recruit Jean at the beginning of X3.)


I know the X-films have a few issues.But most of what people assume to be "continuity" errors in those films arent....I'll trey to explain.

Emma Frost

X-men origins Wolverine did not name a character "Emma Frost" in the film.

The only name given was "Emma", and she was the sister of Silverfox.Theres nothing in the story that says the "Emma" seen in the XoW film wasnt the daughter of Emma Frost we saw in FC.

Now true I doubt that it was intended that way,but it does allow for continuity to not be dented.

Hank McCoy

Why would there be a need for 2 Hank Mccoy???, because he went furry in FC and wasnt in the 2nd X-film?

Are you a fan of the character in the comics?

He has gone from "not furry", to furry and not furry and furry again several times in the comics.

That could very well be the case in the films continuity.

So again, not a continuity issue yet.

Professor X

Just as with Beast, in the comics Professor X did INDEED regained the use of his legs several times and lost it again.

At one point he was even given a cloned body.

I'm not saying I would like to see these explanations on film, but it does allow for "continuity" to go un-damaged if they see fit to introduce these story points into the film universe.

Bottom line, these arent continuity errors....yet.

The writers may explain them in a new or familiar way.

So no this Movie is the highest canon,


I never claimed or implied that the film was "the highest canon".

But it IS canon.

As are the the other medium,.But they are all seprate continuities, all equal in standing.

Which is why I particulkasr in saying "the film" in my original claim.

The tank was called Devestator in the film
The tank was called Brawl in the game.

What ever other mediums call him its that name.

No one continuity is higher then the other.

If the powers that be, Hasbro the highest authority on Transformers say in the end it's an error, it's an error.


Hasbro can say what it wants, but it doesnt change the facts of the issue.

Bay did it deliberately.That nullifies the "error" claim made by anyone after the fact.

Is really that hard to just say Brawl was mistakenly named in the first film ?


I cant call it a mistake when it was deliberately done.

"Game Set and Match"......your not even close.The fact that there are other mistakes in the film arent even on point with this issue.
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Re: Frenzy: Barricade's Minion or Soundwave's?

Postby Red 50 » Thu Sep 01, 2011 6:54 am

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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Red 50 wrote:The way I see it:

The tank is Brawl, he was just called Devastator in movie 1 because Michael Bay thought it sounded cooler, but officially he is Brawl.

And Que probably shares the same fate: he's called Que because it sounds cooler, but OFFICIALLY he's Wheeljack.

That's the best I got, take it or leave it.


So what your saying is that the movies arent official?


No, what I'm saying is that in MOVIES certain characters had different names because the movies director found those other names cooler. What I meant is that these names in movies are more like nicknames. You know what I mean?

Let me put it this way...
Decepticon Brawl is nicknamed Devastator
Autobot Wheeljack is nicknamed Que

but in movies they used only nicknames of these characters (+ Dino, who is Mirage.) Kinda like Wheels is known only as Wheelie.

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Re: Frenzy: Barricade's Minion or Soundwave's?

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:07 am

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Red 50 wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Red 50 wrote:The way I see it:

The tank is Brawl, he was just called Devastator in movie 1 because Michael Bay thought it sounded cooler, but officially he is Brawl.

And Que probably shares the same fate: he's called Que because it sounds cooler, but OFFICIALLY he's Wheeljack.

That's the best I got, take it or leave it.


So what your saying is that the movies arent official?


No, what I'm saying is that in MOVIES certain characters had different names because the movies director found those other names cooler. What I meant is that these names in movies are more like nicknames. You know what I mean?

Let me put it this way...
Decepticon Brawl is nicknamed Devastator
Autobot Wheeljack is nicknamed Que

but in movies they used only nicknames of these characters (+ Dino, who is Mirage.) Kinda like Wheels is known only as Wheelie.

Savvy?


If thats how you want to see it, thats fine.Its your right,theres nothing wrong with it

But with out the names Wheeljack and Brawl ever being mentioned on screen I cant go for your "nick name" reasoning.
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Re: Frenzy: Barricade's Minion or Soundwave's?

Postby Cthulhunicron » Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:59 am

This is one of the stupidest arguments I've ever seen.
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Re: Frenzy: Barricade's Minion or Soundwave's?

Postby PrymeStriker » Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:19 pm

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Cthulhunicron wrote:This is one of the stupidest arguments I've ever seen.

This.

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Re: Frenzy: Barricade's Minion or Soundwave's?

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Fri Sep 02, 2011 5:59 pm

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its a conversation.
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Re: Frenzy: Barricade's Minion or Soundwave's?

Postby Cthulhunicron » Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:14 pm

Then this is one of the stupidest conversations I've ever seen.
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Re: Frenzy: Barricade's Minion or Soundwave's?

Postby Red 50 » Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:56 pm

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Cthulhunicron wrote:This is one of the stupidest arguments I've ever seen.


Well, sorry. My imagination and reasoning have limits.

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If you don't want to take part of this, no one's forcing you. If we want to discuss something, we have our rights.
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