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IHide wrote:
Understood, my point was things can change, allegiances change. My G1 knowledge is a little hazy, but unless I'm mistaken, Magnus' past isn't revealed in any of the shows. Although I personally don't believe he was once a Decepticon, I just think that it's possible.

I'm with you. I like the idea that despite their age Cybertronians are capable of chaning their minds as the centuries roll on. They are sentient afterall, and so they may be programed (for lack of a better word) with a function (like how Ratchet is a medic) but not necessarily programmed to follow any particular set of unchanging, linear allegiance. I think a sort of appropriate G1 example would be Mirage or Thundercracker, who are both to varying degrees not at home with their faction ideology. They are fairly middle of the road kind of guys though; I strongly doubt you'd ever see the real wild, bloodthirsty Decepticons going over, or some one like Beachcomber going to the Decepticon side.

Dagon wrote:

IHide wrote:
Understood, my point was things can change, allegiances change. My G1 knowledge is a little hazy, but unless I'm mistaken, Magnus' past isn't revealed in any of the shows. Although I personally don't believe he was once a Decepticon, I just think that it's possible.

I'm with you. I like the idea that despite their age Cybertronians are capable of chaning their minds as the centuries roll on. They are sentient afterall, and so they may be programed (for lack of a better word) with a function (like how Ratchet is a medic) but not necessarily programmed to follow any particular set of unchanging, linear allegiance. I think a sort of appropriate G1 example would be Mirage or Thundercracker, who are both to varying degrees not at home with their faction ideology. They are fairly middle of the road kind of guys though; I strongly doubt you'd ever see the real wild, bloodthirsty Decepticons going over, or some one like Beachcomber going to the Decepticon side.

i couldn't disagree with you more, sometimes the most hardened of enemies can become a friend under the right circumstances. Look at dinobot in beast wars, he believed in the predacon cause of throwing off the maximal yoke, his concept of honour, and in his own right to rise to the top. yet he still joined the maximals, it may have been to further his own cause but he still did it.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

d_sel1 wrote:Scourge in The Hardest Burden to Bear was able to use the Matrix (albeit unhealthfully), so I wonder he started life as an Autobot.

Scourge started life as either a seeker or an Insecticon. Can't remember which. Not sure why he was able to manipualte the Matrix, especially since he was infused with Unicron's life energy. Same happened to megatron, and Galvatron was unable to use the Matrix.

I'll throw a (very non-canonical, just my own wannabe fan fiction opinion) monkey wrench at you, Rodimus. You completely right we first saw Scourge as a either a Seeker or Insecticon (I completely blanked on this too after two weeks from seeing the G1 Movie), but was Scourge (or his predecessor) always a Decepticon? I can imagine in a G1 prequel that one of Insecticons or even Seekers might be originally an ethnic Autobot, but somewhere down line he was rebuilt (ala Orion Pax, but more grim way) into a machine more like an ethnic Decepticon. Of course, this traitor Autobot might be a willing convert to Megatron's ways or had its personally altered via the Robosmasher. Heck, if Scourge was originally Thundercracker, it might be a more viable option.

Really can't see it. I get the whole 'red eye' thing but no.

Ultra Magnus, I don't know too much about him, besides the fact that he was "temporary leader" of the Autobots in the 1986 Movie. I don't know the reason behind his red eyes for his white form. But the G1 version of him looks very nice. All I know about Former Decepticon/Autobot is Jetfire from Movieverse in "Revenge of the Fallen" and Sentinel Prime also from Movieverse in "Dark of the Moon"




Sentinel's death was VERY reasonable, I was glad he died. Ironhide will be forever missed.

Orion Paximus wrote:
Sentinel's death was VERY reasonable, I was glad he died. Ironhide will be forever missed.

I couldn't agree with you more! If an Autobot had to die, why not Ratchet? Or Bumblebee!? Who would've seen that coming?