Master Force Skyfire wrote:This does seem kinda harsh, but to each their own.
I did notice that while most TF are (or were) made in China, this was made in Vietnam. Don't know if that has anything to do with it.
I've never thought Hasbro's or Tomy's plastics felt like knock-offs, even at the nadir of the FoC line. FoC Bruticus, for all of it's faults, still has more durable, less brittle plastic than Fansproject's stuff, which hasn't had the impact or drop testing that Hasbro's toys have to go through. Titan Metroplex has lots of hollow spaces and he's one of my favorite figs ever.
So if you don't like your Leader Jetfire, take it back or give it away. I'm sure there's someone else who'll enjoy it.
fenrir72 wrote:Yeah. The ones on his inner thighs and below the wings are quite distracting (the former being the most overt) as Muffin mentioned you can like pull his legs off the socket.
TheMuffin wrote:
I honestly can't believe Hasbro has sunk this far in their bid to save a buck. Or Takara. Whoever if it was that decided it was worth sacrificing the build quality of this and future figures down the line. Over the past 20 years I've watched the prices of Transformers go up, and watched the quality and size of them go down. I can't support this anymore. I can't in good faith keep purchasing their stuff if this is what I get.
I'm done.
TheMuffin wrote:
I honestly can't believe Hasbro has sunk this far in their bid to save a buck. Or Takara. Whoever if it was that decided it was worth sacrificing the build quality of this and future figures down the line. Over the past 20 years I've watched the prices of Transformers go up, and watched the quality and size of them go down. I can't support this anymore. I can't in good faith keep purchasing their stuff if this is what I get.
I'm done.
fenrir72 wrote:Reference: http://pleasesavemerobots.blogspot.com/ ... lypse.html
Some facts you can get all over the net.
1984 Air Guardian price was $ 21.99 compare Leader class Jetfire is $ 45.00 to $ 60.00 in 2014
http://anymoon.com/blog/?p=6244 and
http://tfsource.com/products/view/produ ... gle.com%2F
2001 up Bandai re-issue (estimated at ¥ 2000 up but always sold out back then)at $109.95
Of course the original was purchased by Bandai from a bankrupt company (Takatuko) already designed so very little R/D in their (Bandai) part which Hasbro later purchased from them.
Prices back then (die-cast and plastic was different then in price and composition especially the plastics)
American dollar had MORE value then while the Yen is an up or down streak even now.
So what does it all mean?
No way in cold hell will Hasbro/Tomy ever release THE Macross Jetfire under their company.
Bandai is sitting on a Golden Goose
All this talk of the latest Jetfire is a Macross wannabee..........OF COURSE its a Macross wannabee! He WAS a Macross jet originally.
Hollow parts are ugly.
Prices have changed.Even the old Snickers packs have higher prices at smaller sizes.
People expect too much today for their $ 45.00 as the latest IS not Masterpiece. Add an extra $30.00 then we probably get more solid parts (I said probably)
Scalpers suck!
Jetfire is AWESOME!So supply nd demand issues to contend and scalpers.
Hammer wrote:TheMuffin wrote:
I honestly can't believe Hasbro has sunk this far in their bid to save a buck. Or Takara. Whoever if it was that decided it was worth sacrificing the build quality of this and future figures down the line. Over the past 20 years I've watched the prices of Transformers go up, and watched the quality and size of them go down. I can't support this anymore. I can't in good faith keep purchasing their stuff if this is what I get.
I'm done.
I respect your decision... Less crap to deal with & think of all the money you'll be saving that can be used for more worthwhile ventures.fenrir72 wrote:Reference: http://pleasesavemerobots.blogspot.com/ ... lypse.html
Some facts you can get all over the net.
1984 Air Guardian price was $ 21.99 compare Leader class Jetfire is $ 45.00 to $ 60.00 in 2014
http://anymoon.com/blog/?p=6244 and
http://tfsource.com/products/view/produ ... gle.com%2F
2001 up Bandai re-issue (estimated at ¥ 2000 up but always sold out back then)at $109.95
Of course the original was purchased by Bandai from a bankrupt company (Takatuko) already designed so very little R/D in their (Bandai) part which Hasbro later purchased from them.
Prices back then (die-cast and plastic was different then in price and composition especially the plastics)
American dollar had MORE value then while the Yen is an up or down streak even now.
So what does it all mean?
No way in cold hell will Hasbro/Tomy ever release THE Macross Jetfire under their company.
Bandai is sitting on a Golden Goose
All this talk of the latest Jetfire is a Macross wannabee..........OF COURSE its a Macross wannabee! He WAS a Macross jet originally.
Hollow parts are ugly.
Prices have changed.Even the old Snickers packs have higher prices at smaller sizes.
People expect too much today for their $ 45.00 as the latest IS not Masterpiece. Add an extra $30.00 then we probably get more solid parts (I said probably)
Scalpers suck!
Jetfire is AWESOME!So supply nd demand issues to contend and scalpers.
Factoring in inflation, that $21.99 you would have paid in 1984 is worth $50.34 today.
If we were to compare the two items, then yes, in my opinion the 1984 version is far better value. But there are also other factors to consider like cost of materials etc. even crude oil in 1984 was approximately $29 ( or $66 in todays money) per barrel vs the $98 we pay now.
All of that aside, it's standard big business procedures; less product for more profit. Did Hasbro lower their prices when the DoTM toys were released to justify the smaller sizes? No. Will they? No. As long as people keep buying their product, they won't lift a finger to do us, the consumers any favours.
And Bandai only licensed the Jetfire mold to Hasbro, they've never owned the mold outright.
TheMuffin wrote:I'd love to own Wheeljack, Prowl and Bumblebee. But not when they're smaller than an Alternator/Binaltech and 3 times the price that they were.
GuyIncognito wrote:What's all this about quality? G1 figures had metal parts, but they were bricks with four points of articulation, and they broke pretty easily. Very few of mine survived fully intact. They were subject to rust, yellowing, and GPS.
ScottyP wrote:GuyIncognito wrote:What's all this about quality? G1 figures had metal parts, but they were bricks with four points of articulation, and they broke pretty easily. Very few of mine survived fully intact. They were subject to rust, yellowing, and GPS.
I'm thinking of, roughly, 2002-2010. Occasional gimmick intrusion aside, and occasional GPS use aside (rawr), these were big toys with some pretty hefty plastic, with increasing complexity as time went by.
shajaki wrote:i dont think that disappointment in figure X means you need to quit collecting all together. it just means be choosey over what to buy. virtually every figure released gets a review of some sort, be it video or pictoral/text. make informed decisions.
the only figures i buy today (without extensive researching) are the ones i would have bought regardless, for the sake of the collection. do i really dislike IDW bumblebee? yeah. will it stop me from getting generations nightbeat? nope. because he at least looks good and i love the character.
fenrir72 wrote:
The price range is not MP so don't expect MP features. Hollow? Arrgh! I hate it too but I like to see him as half glass full.
GuyIncognito wrote:It's not a $46 figure; it should have been sold as a $35 "Ultra".
But if this feels like a KO to TheMuffin, I want to know where's he's buying his KOs, because I want to buy some of them!
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