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Re: Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengence Discussion Thread

Postby Duke of Luns » Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:22 am

Saw it today. Overall, a mixed bag. Some random thoughts:

The Good:

-I was surprised to see Christopher Lambert. He didn't do much no and after seeing him the "sacrafice" was no surprise. After all, can you really trust a guy with heiroglyph's all over his face?

-The Twinkie scene is awesome. It just works so well.

-Speaking of awesome, Ghost Rider commondeering that earth digger(Cybertron Metroplex). That was cool.

-Ghost Rider's overall look and CG was well done.

-Blackout was slightly underutalized, but he got decent motivation and characterization, and his powers, while I'm not sure are comic accurate, were cool enough. Though how could he hold onto Johnny without decaying him before he got his Rider powers back?

-I liked Nick Cage a lot more as a tortured Johnny. Despite seeminlgy spending less time setting up the character, I thought he was more likable than in the first one.

-Mereua was cool. Not sure if he was from the comics, but I liked him.

Now for the not so great stuff:

-The film didn't seem as big or driving as in the first one. At the core the story was better and less cliche', but there seemed to be fewer set pieces or musically intense. I don't know, but it didn't grab me as much as the first one.

-The first fight scene with Ghost Rider was odd and kinda bad. Ok Ghost Rider eats souls, but why did he move so weird and hold onto that one guy so long? He didn't have to wait until innocent blood as spilled to penance stare did he, because he had no trouble frying a couple other guys.

-Agreed on Ghost Rider talking more. However, he got in a couple good one liners.

-The humor(save for the Twinkie) I thought was mostly blah, and the peeing fire is still stupid. Ghost Rider is not a super happy character and is meant to be dark and gritty, so quit trying to make him appeal to everyone. Still, it was grittier than the first one.
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Re: Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengence Discussion Thread

Postby Dead Metal » Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:47 pm

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Duke of Luns wrote:-The first fight scene with Ghost Rider was odd and kinda bad. Ok Ghost Rider eats souls, but why did he move so weird and hold onto that one guy so long? He didn't have to wait until innocent blood as spilled to penance stare did he, because he had no trouble frying a couple other guys.


Ghost Rider is crazy in this film, he was supposed to seem an act random and insane, attacking his victims not just fiscally but also mentally.

I loved it, the only thing I would change would be a better super powered villain and more Ghost Rider scenes.
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Re: Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengence Discussion Thread

Postby Duke of Luns » Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:06 pm

Dead Metal wrote:
Duke of Luns wrote:-The first fight scene with Ghost Rider was odd and kinda bad. Ok Ghost Rider eats souls, but why did he move so weird and hold onto that one guy so long? He didn't have to wait until innocent blood as spilled to penance stare did he, because he had no trouble frying a couple other guys.


Ghost Rider is crazy in this film, he was supposed to seem an act random and insane, attacking his victims not just fiscally but also mentally.

I loved it, the only thing I would change would be a better super powered villain and more Ghost Rider scenes.


Yeah I guess that makes senese. I haven't read too much Ghost Rider, mainly Essential Collection Vol. 2 I picked up from the Flea Market last year. I suppose old Ghostie is a bit of a vandal, and enjoyed tormenting his foes. Maybe when I see it again on DVD someday I'll pick out some of the nuances in his character I missed the first time out. He did seem a little underpowered in the opening fight, but I guess getting hit by a few grenade rounds'll knock anyone sensless.

Oh, and I feel dumb. I didn't realize the kid was Dan Ketch, as I found out in review I saw from on of my subcriptions on Youtube. The reviewer also said they cut a sword fighting scene with Christophter Lambert. His presence in the film makes more sense now.

Last thing, the Blue Ghost Rider. Is it a thing in the comics now? I know the new Marvel Legends is blue, so maybe it is.
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Re: Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengence Discussion Thread

Postby Dead Metal » Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:59 pm

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Duke of Luns wrote:
Dead Metal wrote:
Duke of Luns wrote:-The first fight scene with Ghost Rider was odd and kinda bad. Ok Ghost Rider eats souls, but why did he move so weird and hold onto that one guy so long? He didn't have to wait until innocent blood as spilled to penance stare did he, because he had no trouble frying a couple other guys.


Ghost Rider is crazy in this film, he was supposed to seem an act random and insane, attacking his victims not just fiscally but also mentally.

I loved it, the only thing I would change would be a better super powered villain and more Ghost Rider scenes.


Yeah I guess that makes senese. I haven't read too much Ghost Rider, mainly Essential Collection Vol. 2 I picked up from the Flea Market last year. I suppose old Ghostie is a bit of a vandal, and enjoyed tormenting his foes. Maybe when I see it again on DVD someday I'll pick out some of the nuances in his character I missed the first time out. He did seem a little underpowered in the opening fight, but I guess getting hit by a few grenade rounds'll knock anyone sensless.

Oh, and I feel dumb. I didn't realize the kid was Dan Ketch, as I found out in review I saw from on of my subcriptions on Youtube. The reviewer also said they cut a sword fighting scene with Christophter Lambert. His presence in the film makes more sense now.

Last thing, the Blue Ghost Rider. Is it a thing in the comics now? I know the new Marvel Legends is blue, so maybe it is.

I believe the blue Rider is a thing in the comics, I've seen a few covers and pics with it, but haven't gotten around to reading them, the book was cancelled over here just after they revealed he was an Angel. The current Ghost Rider is a woman though I believe.

Thing with the grenades though, in the next fight they hit him with rockets which I believe are more powerful than grenades, so it looks like a bit of a continuity error.

It's also pretty difficult to really nail the Ghost Rider character, almost every writer writes him differently, I#ve read stories in which he's a mute, a simpleton with a heart of gold, an emo, a crazy guy and a violent blood thirsty ass hole.
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Re: Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengence Discussion Thread

Postby MGrotusque » Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:56 pm

Visually i REALLY want to see this flick.But i'll wait till it's rentable/downloadable. Looks good for a sunday hangover type of movie but nothing that i'm gonna go to the theatre for and pay 17 bucks to see.

Even though i want to. :twisted:
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Re: Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengence Discussion Thread

Postby captain craig » Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:08 am

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Not sure what the theaters are like around your way but it sounds similar in price point to me.
$17=IMAX 3-D
$14=Real 3-D
$11=standard 2-D evening show
$8=standard 2-D matinee show
$7= anytime senior/military show


I saw Ghost Rider SOV for $8 and felt like it was well worth that price point. I would've felt ripped off at a 3-D price point. So if you have some pricing options such as this then I think you'd get your $8 worth out of this movie.


As for the blue flame that is meant to visually distinguish the "demon/angel" that is bound to Danny Ketch vs the orange flame for Blaze/Zarathos. So in the course of the movie I'm not sure why they went for the blue flame, is it not Zarathos now bonded to Blaze? Just one plot point that isn't mentioned. If you don't know the flame color has significance than as just a viewer of the film I don't guess you'd feel there is a problem.

I agree about the issue regarding hit by grenade in first fight is a problem for GR, but hit by a 'bunker buster' later only phases him.
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Re: Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengence Discussion Thread

Postby The Happy Locust » Sun Feb 26, 2012 5:41 pm

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What I take from the flame color in the movie is that the spirit he's bonded with has somehow been at least partially redeemed. The red flame was the psycho who was addicted to giving punishment. Blaze winning in the end freed the spirit to embrace it's more angelic "spirit of justice" side, hence the blue flame over the red one.

I am in love with this movie! The cut-away gags seem limited enough to break tension without killing the overall tone of the movie and the Rider bits were really well done. The "Death Miner" bit was jaw dropping.
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Re: Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengence Discussion Thread

Postby captain craig » Sun Feb 26, 2012 7:39 pm

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While it wasn't as jaw dropping perhaps I did enjoy the military style transport convoy being "Rider-fied" in the final act.

The movie had the standard 60% drop for it's second weekend. Despite 4 films opening wide this weekend it still managed to finish #6 this weekend. It's domestic total is now around $38m according to estimates and when international numbers come in on Tuesday will be over $50m worldwide. I'll update it with actuals later.

It's a fun film that I've seen twice now. It's not perfect but I really enjoy the last half of the film. It flows much better from the midpoint till the end. That alone was worth me seeing it again.

It has a bit of a Grindhouse feel to it that I found enjoyable as well.
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