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Postby CyberTooth » Fri Feb 16, 2007 8:10 pm

DISCHARGE wrote:Great! Now I just gotta hope it doesn't suck as bad as Daredevil.


It should be noted that the rerelease of Daredevil featured a much better edit of the overall movie as well as a substory which actually made the whole movie better.
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Postby DISCHARGE » Fri Feb 16, 2007 9:31 pm

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Are you serious? More Daredevil crap to watch. God it was bad enough with the Electra spin off. At least they didn't make the whole thing an origins film. Of course none of Daredevil was as bad as Catwoman.
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Postby Faceful of Kitchen » Fri Feb 16, 2007 10:08 pm

overall i thought the movie was pretty decent, but i had a few problems with it aside from what's already been mentioned:

1) there's more of him riding around on his bike than actually, y'know, fighting evil and stuff.

*POSSIBLE SPOILERS*
2) the three elemental fights were way too short, especially the first one. what they had was awesome, i just wish the fights had lasted a bit longer before he beat them.

*DEFINITE SPOILERS*
they totally just left the whole thing about him being wanted by the police for the murders (and the prison escape, i'd assume) hanging. maybe they intended it that way for a sequel, but it felt more to me like they just forgot to resolve it.
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Postby Caelus » Sat Feb 17, 2007 12:02 am

We went to see it tonight and loved it. I can see some of the complaints you guys are pointing out, but I think the pluses out weighed the flaws. My big disappointment was not getting to see his mentor fight.

And for reference, we're passingly acquainted with Ghost Rider - not fanatics. So it's definately still good if you aren't a die hard fan.


DISCHARGE wrote:So I got a 6 year old who is flamin' mad to see this this. Should I hold off and not take her. She did grow up watching Godzilla movies, and for some reason is just crazy about a guy with a flaming skull that rides a 'cycle.


Even if she's okay with the flaming skull part, I'd save it for DVD. The flaming skull may be kind of cartoony to a kid, but Blackheart is downright creepy, and what he does to people could give her some serious nightmares. Ergo, a smaller screen in a well lit, familiar room might be good...
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Postby TheMuffin » Sat Feb 17, 2007 1:42 am

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Just got back from seeing it. Pretty good surprisingly. Some things bothered me though and they were glaring.

1. Ghost Riders lines were soooooooooooo cliche.
2. While I liked how they played off Blackheart I would have been even happier if we had seen a form similar to his comic version. The comic version is downright freaky looking and would have fit in well at the end.
3. The fights were pretty bad. I liked seeing the ole chain brought to good use but it was so little of buildup and then bam the guys were dead.

Theres a few other things but overall it was a much better movie than the theater cut of Daredevil. Plus Xarathos just having a ball when he was let loose was great.
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Postby Senor Hugo » Sat Feb 17, 2007 1:51 am

Just got back from seeing it. The movie was awesome, nothing beats Nicholas Cage coming out to Crazy Train.

The lines and some of the scenes were corny, but it was awesome as hell.

The only things I didn't like was how Slade was built up to help Ghost Rider, then just ran off, also I was kind of angry that Vengeance wasn't in the film, yet he has a toy in the movie line(to which is attributed that he'll be a boss in the Ghost Rider movie video game, but it still sucks.)
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Postby Nightracer GT » Sat Feb 17, 2007 2:47 am

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Kind of dumb, but I still had a good time. Same complaints of everyone else concerning the fights.

I think the whole first twenty minutes should have been cut. It should have started with the prologue of Carter Slade, then the credits, then gone straight to Crazy Train and Nicholas Cage as the main character with a deep dark secret that only becomes clear as the movie goes on. That would have made it soooo much better. I hate being hit over the head with a 2x4 at the movies.

Also, he just should have been silent in Ghost Rider form. End of discussion.
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Postby Predaprince » Sat Feb 17, 2007 5:17 am

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You guys keep saying that the fights with the three Elemental demons were too short, I agree with the wind guy since he was wind, but what do you expect is going to happen when the Earth and Water demons are put on fire.

I still think it was a pretty good movie of the character and I am crossing my fingers for a sequel. It seems that things would get a lot better and some of the issues some of you bring up would be resolved.
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Postby Nemesis_Apoc » Sat Feb 17, 2007 2:30 pm

I saw it last night and had a great time. It was fantabulous. Honestly, I didn't go into the theatre with high expectations just because the main character has a freaking flaming skull for a head, and to be honest, I thought it would cheezy. There's really no good way to do a flaming skull as some things just don't transfer from comics to the big screen very well. I have to say that I was proven completely wrong. The only gripes I have about the movie are 1) I think it should have been more violent and given an R-rating just because the character is a violent character, like Blade and The Punisher (both of whom have an R-rated movie or 3). 2) I think there was too much comedic crap for a movie like this. Case in point, the fat goth chick doing the interview. I rest my case.
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Postby Predaprince » Sat Feb 17, 2007 2:47 pm

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Nemesis_Apoc wrote:I think there was too much comedic crap for a movie like this. Case in point, the fat goth chick doing the interview. I rest my case.


I agree with the goth chick interview part especially since it made me wonder why later when Johnny tries to tell Roxie about the creature he just says a creature. He was there and knew that she heard that talk from that girl; the lines there should have been written with him bringing that interview up.
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Nemesis_Apoc wrote:I think there was too much comedic crap for a movie like this. Case in point, the fat goth chick doing the interview.


Which could be actually be funnier if they didn't show it ever TV spot.
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Postby DISCHARGE » Sat Feb 17, 2007 6:16 pm

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I gotta say, I didn't have great expectations, what with Marvels track record, but I thought it was pretty good.
The swath of destruction laid down by the Ghost Rider was, well, awesome. And the kid liked it too.
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Postby .op. » Sun Feb 18, 2007 2:57 pm

Just got back from seeing it. I have to say that I really liked the movie. I sure hope that there is going to be a sequal to this.
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Postby TheMuffin » Sun Feb 18, 2007 3:02 pm

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On an off note I just finished watching the Wicker Man...I've never laughed harder in my life.

Seriously folks. Watch this then read the comments.

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Postby The Happy Locust » Sun Feb 18, 2007 7:55 pm

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I just got back from seeing the movie. I.LOVED.IT!

I agree with Senor Hugo's idea for a shorter cut of the intro, but It didn't hinder the movie as much as You'd think it would.
The path of destruction left by Ghost Rider's first ride (and the morning after look at it) was probably the single best shot in the film.

My parents loved it and neither of them are fans of the character. In fact, my father admitted he didn't even know it was based on a comic (he'd wanted to see it from the promos and word of mouth)>
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Postby Bombus distinguendus » Mon Feb 19, 2007 10:24 am

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ok so i saw it on sat night. i like it alot. of course it could of been better. heck all movies could be better but anyways heres the few things i had a problem with the movie....and ya their spoilers if u havent seen it yet.


1: maybe because im an illustrator and have taken anatomy but it seemed like his skull was way to small and the body was way to be when we was GR. it just seem way to un proportionit

2: i was super happy when he got his chain but then when he started fighting with it was when i went wtf? ok at times the chain was double/triple/quadriple its length. like the helicopter scene? umm ya unless i dont know something about GR's powers that chain grew in legth multipul times.

3: black heart. ok i thought the guy who played his human form was awsome....but when we was at the end and ann beefed up it would of been kewl if he looked more like his comic book version.

4: the elements: they were lame badguys. the fights were to short with them and they didnt seem that hard to beat. but the way GR killed air was pretty smart. i would of never thought of that lol.

5: caretaker. i wish he actually fought in the movie....the scene where their riding together was awsome.

6: now this is y fault for being stupid. when i wa slooking at the toys they made a vengence figure for the movie so i thought " hey awsome hes gonna be in there also"...well he wasnt and i was a bit dissapoited lol


so thats it for me..atleast for now.. also anyone know the name of the song that they played in GR? i know it was a remake. it was played in the scene wiht caretaker and GR riding to the town then again as the first song in the credits...i wanna listen to it again
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Postby Caelus » Mon Feb 19, 2007 11:11 am

Bombus distinguendus wrote:2: i was super happy when he got his chain but then when he started fighting with it was when i went wtf? ok at times the chain was double/triple/quadriple its length. like the helicopter scene? umm ya unless i dont know something about GR's powers that chain grew in legth multipul times.


AFAIK, Ghost Rider's chain can do all sorts of crazy things in the comics, the least of which is changing length.
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Postby TheMuffin » Mon Feb 19, 2007 12:48 pm

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Bombus distinguendus wrote:also anyone know the name of the song that they played in GR? i know it was a remake. it was played in the scene wiht caretaker and GR riding to the town then again as the first song in the credits...i wanna listen to it again


Ghost Rider in the Sky by Johnny Cash. The remake is by Spiderbait.

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Postby Nemesis_Apoc » Mon Feb 19, 2007 8:55 pm

Bombus distinguendus wrote:
3: black heart. ok i thought the guy who played his human form was awsome....but when we was at the end and ann beefed up it would of been kewl if he looked more like his comic book version.


I was thinking the same thing.
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Postby Supreme Convoy » Mon Feb 19, 2007 9:10 pm

:BOT: I plan on seeing this... but I'm not expecting much. I liked Ghost Rider as a kid. :CON:
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Postby The Happy Locust » Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:02 am

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Supreme Convoy wrote::BOT: I plan on seeing this... but I'm not expecting much. I liked Ghost Rider as a kid. :CON:


I think you'd enjoy it. and not expecting much is usually a good thing, it leaves you free to take it for what it is.
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Just saw it last night. Amazing. Just one question: Where was Stan Lee. He makes cameos in the Marvel movies. I didn't notice him. Must have been a real subtle cameo.
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AutobotJazz wrote:Just saw it last night. Amazing. Just one question: Where was Stan Lee. He makes cameos in the Marvel movies. I didn't notice him. Must have been a real subtle cameo.


He only get's cameo's in movies where he helped create the character.
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Postby Duke of Luns » Mon Feb 26, 2007 8:06 am

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Bombus distinguendus wrote:
3: black heart. ok i thought the guy who played his human form was awsome....but when we was at the end and ann beefed up it would of been kewl if he looked more like his comic book version.


I was thinking the same thing.


That was actually the main reason I wanted to see Ghost Rider, to see if Blackheart took on his big demonic form. But alas, he did not, but they portrayed the character well enough for me to like it anyway.

The fights were too short, but they were pretty cool anyway. About those Demons, I take it they were created just for the film?

One thing I loved about the movie was the effects. I thought they were outstanding, and enjoyed Ghost Rider's flame going blue when he was expressing emotion.

One comment was made that the lines were cheesy. Well, I'm not a hardcore Ghost Rider fanatic, but based on what I read of Ghost Rider from the 90's, that's how he talked. Ghost Rider isn't the Beast or Spider-Man, and didn't to have much of a wit or vocabulary other than "Vengence!!!" Voice was perfect, and thought they captured the character of Ghost Rider very well. Also, I really thought the use of a shotgun was good, cause that homages Blaze when he doesn't have the Ghost Rider powers anymore.

Speaking of characters, what was up with the monkey's and jellybeans? Did Johnny Blaze or Dan Ketch ever express any interest in that respect in the comics, or was that just something added to the movie?

And Mephisto was done very well, heck, he even looked pretty right for a move representation.

All in all, not my favorite Marvel movie, but certainly higher on my list than The Hulk or Elektra(I REALLY like Daredevil), and hope the DVD has some good special features.

I'm looking forward to the sequal, even though that won't be for a couple years or so. I would expect Vengence to appear in that.
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Postby The Happy Locust » Mon Feb 26, 2007 7:03 pm

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Duke of Luns wrote:I'm looking forward to the sequal, even though that won't be for a couple years or so. I would expect Vengence to appear in that.


They'd either go the vengeance route or have Jonny separated from Zarathos and trying to reunite in order to contain his power.

I noticed that they pretty much combined Johnny blaze and Danny Keitch's ghost riders for the movie, but I never realized how much more they added. I've been reading the original Ghost Rider comics and noticed a lot more nods. Examples, Carter slade was the night rider, a cowboy hero. There was a burning-head horse rider who was a bounty hunter sent after Johnny. The bike used in the movie is pretty much Vengeance's... etc. Wikipedia is your friend. :mrgreen:
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