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Postby zorian » Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:54 pm

To take the "how old are you" in a different direction, you guys do know that G.I.Joe was not invented in the '80s right? They used to be Barbie sized with cloth clothing back in at least the 60s maybe earlier. The '80s stuff was a reinvent of the line to use the changes to boy oriented dolls (yes that is what they were called untill the late 70s/early 80s) to piggy back the popularity of Star wars toy (who if they weren't the first in that size range they were close and the first stupidedly popular one)
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Postby Roadbuster » Fri Mar 09, 2007 12:12 am

zorian wrote:To take the "how old are you" in a different direction, you guys do know that G.I.Joe was not invented in the '80s right? They used to be Barbie sized with cloth clothing back in at least the 60s maybe earlier. The '80s stuff was a reinvent of the line to use the changes to boy oriented dolls (yes that is what they were called untill the late 70s/early 80s) to piggy back the popularity of Star wars toy (who if they weren't the first in that size range they were close and the first stupidedly popular one)


While true there is one flaw with what they're planning. The target audience (consisting mainly of the two most recent generations) grew up with GI JOE battling Cobra. That's what audiences will expect. GI JOE was reinvented into what many have come to know and accept as today.
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Roadbuster wrote:
zorian wrote:To take the "how old are you" in a different direction, you guys do know that G.I.Joe was not invented in the '80s right? They used to be Barbie sized with cloth clothing back in at least the 60s maybe earlier. The '80s stuff was a reinvent of the line to use the changes to boy oriented dolls (yes that is what they were called untill the late 70s/early 80s) to piggy back the popularity of Star wars toy (who if they weren't the first in that size range they were close and the first stupidedly popular one)


While true there is one flaw with what they're planning. The target audience (consisting mainly of the two most recent generations) grew up with GI JOE battling Cobra. That's what audiences will expect. GI JOE was reinvented into what many have come to know and accept as today.


I concur, that would be like comparing Diaclone to Transformers.
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Postby Senor Hugo » Fri Mar 09, 2007 1:51 am

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Operation Ravage wrote:No, it doesn't.

Bluebullet, one of these things is not like the other. It's simple Cookie Monster logic. If numerous people are complaining about your attitude, then it's probably you who are the problem.

Hold on. Because I'm not like everyone else, I don't belong here? My attitude is fine UNTIL someone insults me. Honestly. I can make one lousy comment and I get a personal attack within 5 minutes. My first posts in every topic are on the topic's subject until someone decides to start a fight. Go back a page. This whole arguement started with a personal attack. The sarcastic remark of "How old are you?" began this crap. If people didn't feel the need to be jerks we would still be talking about GI Joe.


No, it's not because you're not like everyone else. We pride individualism here, however, that does not give you the right to act like a total douchebag, which is what you seem to do, alot. You can make one lousy comment, and you get a personal attack, sure, but then for every 1 non lousy comment you seem to make, is followed by 5 lousy ones.

Now, while I may be throwing in my two-cents, you said it yourself. "The sarcastic remark started this." The fact that you went ahead and fed that sarcasm, when you could have stopped it there, with some, oh I dunno, humor. You instead immediatly got defensive and emo.

I agree, if a crapload of people complain about one persons attitude. Theres something wrong.

In this case, you may want to....reevaluate yourself.
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Postby Cyber Bishop » Fri Mar 09, 2007 4:48 am

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Bluebullet wrote:
Operation Ravage wrote:No, it doesn't.

Bluebullet, one of these things is not like the other. It's simple Cookie Monster logic. If numerous people are complaining about your attitude, then it's probably you who are the problem.

Hold on. Because I'm not like everyone else, I don't belong here? My attitude is fine UNTIL someone insults me. Honestly. I can make one lousy comment and I get a personal attack within 5 minutes. My first posts in every topic are on the topic's subject until someone decides to start a fight. Go back a page. This whole arguement started with a personal attack. The sarcastic remark of "How old are you?" began this crap. If people didn't feel the need to be jerks we would still be talking about GI Joe.


No it does not and how do you know what everyone else is like on here?
Heather Prime has a handicap which makes yours look like nothing yet she tries to post normal and pleasant messages without giving attitude.

Now Bluebullet what Hugo said was correct,
I agree, if a crapload of people complain about one persons attitude. Theres something wrong.

In this case, you may want to....reevaluate yourself.


You need to step back and look at yourself and how you are ticking people off with this attitude.
As I said I am getting tired of your name being brought up as a troublesome poster lately (not to mention that you are driving some veteran members away).

Chill out NOW or face the consequences as this is your last warning.

And Zorian, there are a good amount of people here that know the history of GiJoe and how it started (alot of members here are in the 20 - 40 age bracket).
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Postby Wheeljack35 » Fri Mar 09, 2007 6:47 am

Count me as the 40 in that range :P

How did this thread get to be about a 14 year old?

ANYWAYS:

This movie will bomb

Just avoid it and not see it
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Postby Cyber Bishop » Fri Mar 09, 2007 7:14 am

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Wheeljack35 wrote:Count me as the 40 in that range :P

How did this thread get to be about a 14 year old?

ANYWAYS:

This movie will bomb

Just avoid it and not see it


Because he is a 14 year old with a crappy attitude that always seems to piss off other members with his posts.

As for the movie, it sounds like complete crap..
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Postby Milanion » Fri Mar 09, 2007 11:18 am

Hey guys. What'd I miss?
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Postby Cyber Bishop » Fri Mar 09, 2007 11:20 am

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Milanion wrote:Hey guys. What'd I miss?


Scroll back a page. :D
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Postby Faceful of Kitchen » Fri Mar 09, 2007 12:05 pm

Milanion wrote:Hey guys. What'd I miss?

:D :lol: it's the sig! IT'S THE SIG!!! :APPLAUSE:
ah, great to see it finally made it over here.

as far as the gi joe movie is concerned, i now officially have less interest in it than i do in the tf movie. and trust me, that's no small feat.
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Postby Milanion » Fri Mar 09, 2007 12:10 pm

Faceful of Kitchen wrote:as far as the gi joe movie is concerned, i now officially have less interest in it than i do in the tf movie. and trust me, that's no small feat.


That actually does say quite a lot!
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Postby Cyber Bishop » Fri Mar 09, 2007 12:13 pm

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Faceful of Kitchen wrote: :D :lol: it's the sig! IT'S THE SIG!!! :APPLAUSE:
ah, great to see it finally made it over here.


I just noticed that.. LOL!!! :grin: :grin: :grin:
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Postby Operation Ravage » Fri Mar 09, 2007 12:14 pm

That sig is classic.
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Postby Cyber Bishop » Fri Mar 09, 2007 12:25 pm

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That it is. :D
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Postby Robinson » Fri Mar 09, 2007 2:14 pm

Here is a serious question to bluebullet.

In another post you basically stated that "the division among fans over the movie has cause your mental and physical health to deteriorate." Now if that is the case then why do you subject yourself to this, day in and day out? You know what the general opinion about your attitude is and what needs to done to change it. Ive been a member of this site for like 2 weeks now and I've already grown disenchanted with your outlook and attitude, I can imagine what it is like for the other things you have posted about in your short term. I think its time you took a step back and reevaluated some priorities and come back with a fresh outlook.

I'm not trying to start anything here or dog you or instigate, I'm just trying o let you know that some tf movie isnt the end all of the tf fandom and that you should think about taking care of yourself above all.
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Postby Bluebullet » Fri Mar 09, 2007 3:04 pm

1bigray wrote:Here is a serious question to bluebullet.

In another post you basically stated that "the division among fans over the movie has cause your mental and physical health to deteriorate." Now if that is the case then why do you subject yourself to this, day in and day out? You know what the general opinion about your attitude is and what needs to done to change it. Ive been a member of this site for like 2 weeks now and I've already grown disenchanted with your outlook and attitude, I can imagine what it is like for the other things you have posted about in your short term. I think its time you took a step back and reevaluated some priorities and come back with a fresh outlook.

I'm not trying to start anything here or dog you or instigate, I'm just trying o let you know that some tf movie isnt the end all of the tf fandom and that you should think about taking care of yourself above all.

I have nothing else to do. There aren't any new TFs to hunt for. TV is full of crap nowadays. Truthfully, I don't take care of my body anyway. The only veggies I eat are potatoes and corn. I don't eat much fruit. Mainly, I just want to interact with people, since I don't go to public school.
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Postby Supreme Convoy » Fri Mar 09, 2007 4:36 pm

:BOT: My 2 cents into GI Joe: The Movie.

If you don't like Lorenzo's approach to GI Joe, then you need to complain to Hasbro. Ryan smartly pointed out for Transformers, Hasbro has a say because it's their franchise. Since it's in development stage, Joe fans seem to have a fair shot at changing the outcomes.

Though in my opinion... not having Cobra as a main villain could work (hell, I'm shocked to even say that!). Check out the first arcs of GI Joe: America's Elite where the team dealt with a terrorist cell not entirely associated with Cobra. Of course it was a giant prelude to Cobra Commander's return to comics but this story worked.

I think they don't want Cobra Commander because he's stereotyped as a terrorist with cartoony plans like putting cruise missiles in fast food signs (Red Rockets!). Of course that wouldn't work for a movie! But that doesn't stop the filmmakers from putting him in realistic situations like in GI Joe: Reloaded.

As for the Duke & Alex team up, it's understandable. GI Joe is an American icon... but it won't play as well across the world unlike Transformers. Having an European hero like Action Man will help play in Europe. It's a business strategy but I don't think it'll hamper the movie.

All I ask is for a Snake Eyes & Scarlett romance subplot and I'm happy :) :CON:
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Postby Darth Screamer » Fri Mar 09, 2007 6:08 pm

TheMuffin wrote:I honestly don't even remember Joe that much and I think this sounds like crap. Wasn't Cobra essentially a terrorist group? Why is that so hard to transfer over to a movie? I don't see what the big problem is. And last time I checked a ninja really isn't that hard to implement either.

I call bullshit.


Because those in Scientology land don't want to admit to a terrorist anything in our world today.

Christ what a lame pos this movie is going to be.
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Postby Loki120 » Fri Mar 09, 2007 6:23 pm

Supreme Convoy wrote:Though in my opinion... not having Cobra as a main villain could work (hell, I'm shocked to even say that!). Check out the first arcs of GI Joe: America's Elite where the team dealt with a terrorist cell not entirely associated with Cobra. Of course it was a giant prelude to Cobra Commander's return to comics but this story worked.

I think they don't want Cobra Commander because he's stereotyped as a terrorist with cartoony plans like putting cruise missiles in fast food signs (Red Rockets!). Of course that wouldn't work for a movie! But that doesn't stop the filmmakers from putting him in realistic situations like in GI Joe: Reloaded.



The villain at the beginning to American Elite was an already existing character from back Marvel way, so there was already an in road there.

Cobra Commander from the comics is a long way off from the schreechy voice wimp from the cartoon. This guy shot his own son, kicked Serpentor's ass, and has more webs of deceit than Beast War Megatron could ever hope to keep up with (And he kicks puppies! It's true!). He's perfect for a movie villain.
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Postby SeekerInAFakeMoustache » Fri Mar 09, 2007 7:35 pm

Supreme Convoy wrote:But that doesn't stop the filmmakers from putting him in realistic situations like in GI Joe: Reloaded.


I loved him in Reloaded (more than usual, even!). He's a salesman, all right - you can see him appealing to his wildly dissimlar crew differently, winning their alliance (and in some unfortunate cases, even their trust). It'd be amazing to see that guy on the big screen.

Loki120 wrote:This guy shot his own son, kicked Serpentor's ass, and has more webs of deceit than Beast War Megatron could ever hope to keep up with (And he kicks puppies! It's true!).


Indeed, he kicked Serpentor's ass in one panel. After fighting his way to him. After being tortured.

But then, in the cartoon, he ran through a laser volley to plant a bomb on top of the Statue of Liberty, then jumped off the darned thing, so it's not like he never did anything cool there.
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Postby Sun Runner » Fri Mar 09, 2007 8:23 pm

Dynamax wrote:How the hell can people screw this stuff up? It hurts my brain trying to think about it.

Because it's hollywood and other things can become complicated sometimes improtant things need to be cut for budjet or Directitorial influence.

An example of this was the first Resident Evil movie.George Ramero wrote the original script and it actually stayed true to the game. But marketing and production execs realizing it as a videogame believed it would be more appealing to make it more technilogical and futuristic (thus a whole umbrella department under the mansion, and girl computer AI killing them all instead of the virus outbreak. Also the lack of Stars and the new character that has no relation to resident evil at all) and they pretty much preassured these ideas into the script since the director was on their side. Ramero quit and took the script with him so they got new writers who followed the directors orders and bam you have a movie that has little relation to the Resident Evil game except in title and a few instances. a few instances.

I just think if the director if he does this is a real douche for going against what the people want in favor for what the directors want to add artistically or to appeal to production companies.
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Postby Senor Hugo » Sat Mar 10, 2007 12:16 am

SeekerInAFakeMoustache wrote:
Supreme Convoy wrote:But that doesn't stop the filmmakers from putting him in realistic situations like in GI Joe: Reloaded.


I loved him in Reloaded (more than usual, even!). He's a salesman, all right - you can see him appealing to his wildly dissimlar crew differently, winning their alliance (and in some unfortunate cases, even their trust). It'd be amazing to see that guy on the big screen.

Loki120 wrote:This guy shot his own son, kicked Serpentor's ass, and has more webs of deceit than Beast War Megatron could ever hope to keep up with (And he kicks puppies! It's true!).


Indeed, he kicked Serpentor's ass in one panel. After fighting his way to him. After being tortured.

But then, in the cartoon, he ran through a laser volley to plant a bomb on top of the Statue of Liberty, then jumped off the darned thing, so it's not like he never did anything cool there.


The Cobra Commander from reloaded was awesome. I wish I had my issues here in Fort Wayne with me, but I remember his talk with Storm Shadow as they were watching Destro's men build a base, the talk was about how he became Cobra Commander, you actually felt for the guy, sure he was loony as hell, but damned if he didn't have a good reason for doing what he did. I wish Reloaded was kept going, that series kicked so much ass, and on a side note, Beachhead friggin rules.

Anyway, they could easily do a realisitc Cobra Commander for the movie, not one who tries to carve his face into the moon, or builds a machine to burn all the worlds money and other silly James Bond-esque traits like that, they could really make Cobra Commander something to not laugh at, and at the same time throw in bits and pieces of his "I'm whacked off my ass" lunacy when it's called for.

I just hope they change their minds about this whole buddy-cop premise for the movie.
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Postby Loki120 » Sat Mar 10, 2007 10:42 am

Senor Hugo wrote:
SeekerInAFakeMoustache wrote:
Supreme Convoy wrote:But that doesn't stop the filmmakers from putting him in realistic situations like in GI Joe: Reloaded.


I loved him in Reloaded (more than usual, even!). He's a salesman, all right - you can see him appealing to his wildly dissimlar crew differently, winning their alliance (and in some unfortunate cases, even their trust). It'd be amazing to see that guy on the big screen.

Loki120 wrote:This guy shot his own son, kicked Serpentor's ass, and has more webs of deceit than Beast War Megatron could ever hope to keep up with (And he kicks puppies! It's true!).


Indeed, he kicked Serpentor's ass in one panel. After fighting his way to him. After being tortured.

But then, in the cartoon, he ran through a laser volley to plant a bomb on top of the Statue of Liberty, then jumped off the darned thing, so it's not like he never did anything cool there.


The Cobra Commander from reloaded was awesome. I wish I had my issues here in Fort Wayne with me, but I remember his talk with Storm Shadow as they were watching Destro's men build a base, the talk was about how he became Cobra Commander, you actually felt for the guy, sure he was loony as hell, but damned if he didn't have a good reason for doing what he did. I wish Reloaded was kept going, that series kicked so much ass, and on a side note, Beachhead friggin rules.

Anyway, they could easily do a realisitc Cobra Commander for the movie, not one who tries to carve his face into the moon, or builds a machine to burn all the worlds money and other silly James Bond-esque traits like that, they could really make Cobra Commander something to not laugh at, and at the same time throw in bits and pieces of his "I'm whacked off my ass" lunacy when it's called for.

I just hope they change their minds about this whole buddy-cop premise for the movie.


I never picked up reloaded so I don't know CC's origin from there. But in the regular comics he was once a used car salesman who felt that the government was out to get the little guys like him. He became excessively paranoid and ran out on his wife and took his son with him. He built up Cobra from the small town of Springfield and recruited those who felt like him, and built an empire through illegal pyramid schemes. Cool stuff.

They expanded his history more with the Snake-Eyes Declassified limited. I highly recommend it, it stays exactly with the original material and builds on it. It also explains why Cobra Commander hates Snake-Eyes in more detail.
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Postby Senor Hugo » Sat Mar 10, 2007 11:21 am

Loki120 wrote:
Senor Hugo wrote:
SeekerInAFakeMoustache wrote:
Supreme Convoy wrote:But that doesn't stop the filmmakers from putting him in realistic situations like in GI Joe: Reloaded.


I loved him in Reloaded (more than usual, even!). He's a salesman, all right - you can see him appealing to his wildly dissimlar crew differently, winning their alliance (and in some unfortunate cases, even their trust). It'd be amazing to see that guy on the big screen.

Loki120 wrote:This guy shot his own son, kicked Serpentor's ass, and has more webs of deceit than Beast War Megatron could ever hope to keep up with (And he kicks puppies! It's true!).


Indeed, he kicked Serpentor's ass in one panel. After fighting his way to him. After being tortured.

But then, in the cartoon, he ran through a laser volley to plant a bomb on top of the Statue of Liberty, then jumped off the darned thing, so it's not like he never did anything cool there.


The Cobra Commander from reloaded was awesome. I wish I had my issues here in Fort Wayne with me, but I remember his talk with Storm Shadow as they were watching Destro's men build a base, the talk was about how he became Cobra Commander, you actually felt for the guy, sure he was loony as hell, but damned if he didn't have a good reason for doing what he did. I wish Reloaded was kept going, that series kicked so much ass, and on a side note, Beachhead friggin rules.

Anyway, they could easily do a realisitc Cobra Commander for the movie, not one who tries to carve his face into the moon, or builds a machine to burn all the worlds money and other silly James Bond-esque traits like that, they could really make Cobra Commander something to not laugh at, and at the same time throw in bits and pieces of his "I'm whacked off my ass" lunacy when it's called for.

I just hope they change their minds about this whole buddy-cop premise for the movie.


I never picked up reloaded so I don't know CC's origin from there. But in the regular comics he was once a used car salesman who felt that the government was out to get the little guys like him. He became excessively paranoid and ran out on his wife and took his son with him. He built up Cobra from the small town of Springfield and recruited those who felt like him, and built an empire through illegal pyramid schemes. Cool stuff.

They expanded his history more with the Snake-Eyes Declassified limited. I highly recommend it, it stays exactly with the original material and builds on it. It also explains why Cobra Commander hates Snake-Eyes in more detail.


Same in Reloaded, he was a car salesman, who got screwed over by the IRS, taxed to hell, went bankrupt, his wife divorced him and ran off with her lawyer, so he faked his death, blew up his dealership and went Cobra.

I wanted to get Snake Eyes Declassified, could never find it though.
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Postby BLACKBIRD » Sat Mar 10, 2007 7:12 pm

The Mad Asshatter wrote:
Bluebullet wrote:
The Mad Asshatter wrote:
Bluebullet wrote:
Loki120 wrote:Well that's crap. I think most people are aware of who and what G.I.Joe is. And Cobra would work well on screen if done right, these writers have absolutely no imagination and just want to capitalize on the name. Which still doesn't make sense because if no one outside the US wouldn't recognize G.I.Joe as we know it, why release it under the name of G.I.Joe at all?

That sounds SO familiar. :-?

I say that if no one can give the 80's cartoons the proper treatment they deserve, they should be left alone until it can be.

What's next? Care Bears with real bears? "I love you so much, I could just eat you up. ROAR!*child screams*"


How old are you?

Look around the board. I'm tired of saying that I'm smarter than most people my age(People at my old school did drugs and had sex after school, which I never did).


You aren't smart, kid.
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Transformers Podcast: Twincast / Podcast #345 - The Roast
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