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Has the following been considered?

Postby decepta-scott » Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:21 pm

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With reguards to the debate over which decepticon became scourge and cyclonus My thinking is this.
The seekers were being replaced. New seekers were needed and who beter to rebuild them with than the original seekers!
Cyclonus is purple and so is sky warp The animation shows skywarp and another bot being turned into cyclonus. Scourge is blue and so is t. cracker. The animation shows t cracker along with another bot being turned into scourge.
I believe that the original intent was to have two to three of each cyclonus and scourge to be in the new toon just as there were multiple clones of the original seekers running about. (screamer cracker and sky warp)
For whatever reason they decided to only have the scourge model be multiples and cyclonus was to be a solo model. Probably because they wanted a second in command that was unique in model and personality.
I believe it was intended for t cracker to become scourge thus the same colors were applied and for sky warp to become cyclonus thus the same colors.
Had the writers known the nix would be put on the multiple cyclonus idea, I believe they would have pulled bombshell in favor of skywarp for sure. The only reason the insecticon was in the mix was because multiples were needed and so he was thrown in.
Thats my opinion. Not realy important but fun to discuss none the less. Forgive me if I am bringing up points long since made.
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Re: Has the following been considered?

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:27 pm

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Re: Has the following been considered?

Postby DecepticonFinishline » Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:38 pm

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I'd always considered that to be the case, though.
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Re: Has the following been considered?

Postby Valandar » Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:24 pm

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I've always been of the opinion that Bombshell and Skywarp both pretty much got pureed, and Cyclonus and "his armada" made from the mix. As a no-prize bit, perhaps "his armada" was missing some key elements, and pretty much crumbled to dust...
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Re: Has the following been considered?

Postby zodconvoy » Thu Dec 08, 2011 5:10 pm

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I always went with Bombshell became Cyclonus and Skywarp became Armada. My logic has always been this: Unicron can't change who a Transformer is but he can bring them back to life as someone else. When Megatron became Galvatron, he didn't change in his personality he just got roided up and his insanity was because of begin fried in the lava after the Movie. If Skywarp wasn't dead yet, he'd have suddenly been in a strong new body surrounded by strangers face to face with the Cybertronian equivalent of Satan or Cthulhu raising the dead around him. He then did the only sensible think for him to have done: teleported as far away as he could and just kept running.

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Re: Has the following been considered?

Postby decepta-scott » Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:26 pm

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zodconvoy wrote:I always went with Bombshell became Cyclonus and Skywarp became Armada. My logic has always been this: Unicron can't change who a Transformer is but he can bring them back to life as someone else. When Megatron became Galvatron, he didn't change in his personality he just got roided up and his insanity was because of begin fried in the lava after the Movie. If Skywarp wasn't dead yet, he'd have suddenly been in a strong new body surrounded by strangers face to face with the Cybertronian equivalent of Satan or Cthulhu raising the dead around him. He then did the only sensible think for him to have done: teleported as far away as he could and just kept running.

The best part about that theory is it's in line with the 3H Wreckers stories as seen here.


Interesting theory. But by your same logic that unicron didnt change the cons as far as personality youve gotta ask why a bot like bombshell who was far from loyal as you can be would suddenly become one of the most loyal if not the most loyal decepticon ever.
That is actually another reason I believe skywarp became cyclonus that I failed to mention. Loyalty.
Cyclonus is extreemely loyal to galvatron. More loyal than skywarp was? Maybe. More loyal than bombshell was? HA!! Absolutely!
So because I agree that the bots retained their personalities and changed in form and stats alone I have yet another reason to believe cyclonus is skywarp.
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Re: Has the following been considered?

Postby Mat001 » Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:36 pm

Of course the irony is that their personalities are all different, so having a disloyal Con in Bombshell become the loyal Cyclonus, has a nice bit of irony to it. I think it all depends on what you consider best. See, if I had both Cyclonus and Scourge along with the Insecticons, but not the other two Seekers, then I would've kept the Insecticons in action along with Cyclonus and Scoruge. But that's just me.
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Re: Has the following been considered?

Postby decepta-scott » Fri Dec 09, 2011 11:47 am

Motto: ""If you were here first, then why am I in front of you?""
I always liked the insecticons too. I prefer the entire original onsamble to the post war cast though. They had more character and were much more of a threat.
Galvatron may be physically stronger than megs by a bit but mentally megs has it all over galv. Galv cant orchistrate a tea party without screwing it up much less plan out a clever attack on the autobots. Its comical realy how badly the post war autobots own the post war decepticons.
Megatron however and all his troops pressed the pre war autobots and optimus in almost every eppisode. They were always extreemely close to universal control but at the last moment prime would find a way to nix the operation and megs would flee vowing every time to be avenged.
I wish they would have made galv out to be the bd ass he should have been. He should have owned magnus and every other autobot hands down each and every time and when he fights rodimus it should have been a feeling that rodimus was fighting for his life and had better not screw up.
All well. I guess I maybe expecting a bit much from a childs show. Thats justy how I see things.
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Re: Has the following been considered?

Postby Sabrblade » Fri Dec 09, 2011 7:42 pm

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Re: Has the following been considered?

Postby cotss2012 » Fri Dec 09, 2011 10:39 pm

One of the seekers becomes Scourge. Kickback and Shrapnel become Sweeps.

Bombshell became Cyclonus. The other seeker became part of the "armada" and was never seen again.

The question, therefore, is which Seeker became Scourge, and which one simply disappeared... and the answer is obviously that TC became Scourge, because Skywarp is the only one that can disappear :lol:

Also, during Starscream's coronation, you can briefly see TC, SW, AND the Insecticons present and accounted for. And then the Insecticons are present on the Planet of Junk, too.

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